2016 draft thread: Part 2

Post #1341 » by **Worm Guts** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:33 am

If I view Murray as a pure SG, I think prefer Hield since they are both mainly shooters and Hield is bigger. I'm not really that big on Murray if he's just a SG.
It's the possibility that Murray can do more than we've seen that makes me unsure.

Post #1342 » by **Klomp** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:41 am

Worm Guts wrote:If I view Murray as a pure SG, I think prefer Hield since they are both mainly shooters and Hield is bigger.

The weird thing is, Murray looks bigger than his listed size. But we obviously don't have the numbers in front of us to quantify that.

But yes, it is Murray's combo-guard potential that makes him intriguing.

wildvikeswolves · Post #1343 » by **wildvikeswolves** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:44 am

Neeva wrote:Praying for Murray or Bender. If not we are screwed, and think I'd prefer Chriss over Dunn/Hield.

Please no on Chriss. The best possible situation would be...

1. Simmons
2. Ingram
3. Chriss
4. Brown
5. We have our choice of every guy we're interested in

Post #1344 » by **Klomp** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:45 am

Keeping our options open

[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/741863550994534400[/tweet]

wildvikeswolves · Post #1345 » by **wildvikeswolves** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:48 am

Klomp wrote:Keeping our options open

[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/741863550994534400[/tweet]

I prefer Skal to Chriss that's forsure.

Fit wise Skal is probably the best fit outside of Dragan

Post #1346 » by **Klomp** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:58 am

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Grits n Gravy · Post #1347 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:06 am

There's a couple of Mega Lek's games on youtube and imo Luwawu could be our Iguoldala. I would take him over Hield and Dunn and maybe Murray. I look at Golden State with a plethora of guys 6'6 to 6'8 who are versatile and very good defenders and see similar qualities in Luwawu. I don't understand why he isn't more highly regarded, maybe if he had consecutive years shooting the jumper better rather than just the one? He's a better athlete than both Murray and Hield and at least par(imo better) than Dunn. He's taller and longer than all of them. He shoots better than Dunn and plays better defense than Hield and Murray while being younger than both Dunn and Hield while playing in imo a stronger league.

Grits n Gravy · Post #1348 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:14 am

Klomp wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj34wOSl_DE[/youtube]
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It's hard to tell on the some of these guys if they have the brain to think the game and know if that mental side will catch up to their physical skills. I think of watching Steven Adams when he first went to Pitt and he looked lost and the game was far to fast for him as he wasn't used to playing the American game. He showed a very steep learning curve and by the end of the season you could see the progress and it has continued in the NBA. There's also the Hassan Whitesides who took a long time to figure it out. I'm not sure about Skal's learning curve but he is similar to Adams in that he's an older international freshman but he had extensive high school American basketball under his belt. He certainly has the tools and skills.

Post #1349 » by **Klomp** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:26 am

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Vindicater · Post #1350 » by **Vindicater** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:54 am

Absolutely dreaming.

Neeva · Post #1351 » by **Neeva** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:50 am

Delusional. Not even Calipari is saying that about him, he's saying that about Murray.
Hield just has no star power IMO, he's one dimensional and just very bland.
Dunn, horrible shooter from three/ and at freethrow, Timberwolves need a good shooter next to Ricky/Levine, Dunn is not it.

shangrila · Post #1352 » by **shangrila** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:12 pm

The confidence is nice, I guess. And his shot is smooth. Good form, consistent. He'll surprise people with it.

My questions come on the other end. How is he defending the PnR? How will his rebounding be?

Mattya · Post #1353 » by **Mattya** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:03 pm

I think Skal ends up going to the Raptors or Magic and he ends up changing a lot of minds

canucklife21 · Post #1354 » by **canucklife21** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:29 pm

Grits n Gravy wrote:There's a couple of Mega Lek's games on youtube and imo Luwawu could be our Iguoldala. I would take him over Hield and Dunn and maybe Murray. I look at Golden State with a plethora of guys 6'6 to 6'8 who are versatile and very good defenders and see similar qualities in Luwawu. I don't understand why he isn't more highly regarded, maybe if he had consecutive years shooting the jumper better rather than just the one? He's a better athlete than both Murray and Hield and at least par(imo better) than Dunn. He's taller and longer than all of them. He shoots better than Dunn and plays better defense than Hield and Murray while being younger than both Dunn and Hield while playing in imo a stronger league.

Great points, but with the current t-wolves situation, I feel shooting and big shot maker is what the team needs to continue to develop as the best young core in the league. Murray as proven to fit those needs.

As we all know Murray believes he's the best player in the draft and that's the mind frame the wolves need to continue their success.

That mind frame is huge due to the fact of seeing players like Wiggins lack in that department.

Mattya · Post #1355 » by **Mattya** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:45 pm

Almost everyone says they are the best player in the draft. It is a line agents tell their players to say every year. Stanley Johnson and D'angelo Russell thought they were the best players in the draft last year.

canucklife21 · Post #1356 » by **canucklife21** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:51 pm

Mattya wrote:Almost everyone says they are the best player in the draft. It is a line agents tell their players to say every year. Stanley Johnson and D'angelo Russell thought they were the best players in the draft last year.

That is true, however I don't remember Wiggins saying that. Even if everyone says it, we still want to add a piece with that mind frame

Mattya · Post #1357 » by **Mattya** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:56 pm

canucklife21 wrote:
Mattya wrote:Almost everyone says they are the best player in the draft. It is a line agents tell their players to say every year. Stanley Johnson and D'angelo Russell thought they were the best players in the draft last year.

That is true, however I don't remember Wiggins saying that. Even if everyone says it, we still want to add a piece with that mind frame

A player saying "I think I'm the best player in this draft" means practically nothing. Wiggins is just fine. Zach definitely has it. Towns has that mentality as well.

realEAST · Post #1358 » by **realEAST** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:54 pm

So you guys aren't considering D. Davis at all?
He seems to be guy you are looking - athletic, good defender, with a lot of potential on off, already consistent from mid range, can play both C and PF.
Only 19 years old.
He is perfect fit IMO, and talented enough not to be considered a reach.

Compared to Bender, I'd say he could be even better defender, but with less overall potential on off.

canucklife21 · Post #1359 » by **canucklife21** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:36 pm

realEAST wrote:So you guys aren't considering D. Davis at all?
He seems to be guy you are looking - athletic, good defender, with a lot of potential on off, already consistent from mid range, can play both C and PF.
Only 19 years old.
He is perfect fit IMO, and talented enough not to be considered a reach.

Compared to Bender, I'd say he could be even better defender, but with less overall potential on off.

Davis does look good but at 5 that may be to high for him.

realEAST · Post #1360 » by **realEAST** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:07 pm

canucklife21 wrote:
realEAST wrote:So you guys aren't considering D. Davis at all?
He seems to be guy you are looking - athletic, good defender, with a lot of potential on off, already consistent from mid range, can play both C and PF.
Only 19 years old.
He is perfect fit IMO, and talented enough not to be considered a reach.

Compared to Bender, I'd say he could be even better defender, but with less overall potential on off.

Davis does look good but at 5 that may be to high for him.

I wouldn't say, based on talent and fit, I'd rather take him than Dunn or Hield... I'd consider Murray, maybe Chriss, but like Davis the most