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Official #1 pick thread

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With #1 Philly should select

Simmons. I was always on the Simmons bandwagon.
46
35%
Simmons. I wasn't sure before, but I am now.
35
27%
Simmons. I was on the Ingram bandwagon, but have switched.
14
11%
Simmons. But I am still not totally sure.
10
8%
Entirely undecided still.
3
2%
Ingram. But I am still not totally sure.
7
5%
Ingram. I was on the Simmons bandwagon, but have switched.
5
4%
Ingram. I wasn't sure before, but I am now.
2
2%
Ingram. I was always on the Ingram bandwagon.
7
5%
Other: _________
1
1%
 
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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#321 » by Sixerscan » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:40 am

Jack Bauer wrote:ESPN: Analytics point to Brandon Ingram as being the best player in 2016 Draft over Ben Simmons

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16069613/espn-analytics-prospect-projections-ben-simmons-brandon-ingram-more-2016-nba-draft



There are a bunch of ways to model out projections. Here's a similar article from ESPN that has Simmons projected statistically ahead of Ingram. http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/14987234/ranking-ben-simmons-brandon-ingram-top-prospects-2016-nba-draft-statistical-projections
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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#322 » by 76ciology » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:54 am

Sixerscan wrote:
Jack Bauer wrote:ESPN: Analytics point to Brandon Ingram as being the best player in 2016 Draft over Ben Simmons

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16069613/espn-analytics-prospect-projections-ben-simmons-brandon-ingram-more-2016-nba-draft



There are a bunch of ways to model out projections. Here's a similar article from ESPN that has Simmons projected statistically ahead of Ingram. http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/14987234/ranking-ben-simmons-brandon-ingram-top-prospects-2016-nba-draft-statistical-projections


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Consensus: 3.7 WARP

As I've discussed with Ford, the only reason Simmons isn't atop the WARP projections is the way they regress players to positional averages -- meaning that the system assumes that some of his great stats are difficult to sustain. That tends to penalize versatile players like Simmons, particularly when they only have one year of data.

Despite his disappointing finish, Simmons had one of the best freshman seasons of the one-and-done era and is the obvious No. 1 pick from a statistical standpoint.

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Consensus: 3.1 WARP

Where Simmons rates in the top 25 percent of prospects at his position in four different categories, Ingram only has one such strength: his shooting ability. So far, his wingspan hasn't translated into elite defensive performance in terms of box-score stats. Age does work in Ingram's favor, though: At 18, he's more than a year younger than Simmons.



I wouldn't put much weight on it. I'd personally translate it as both are good prospects but it necessarily means player A is better than player B.

Their stats model seems to favor Ingram's non-stats traits for their a big gap between Simmons and Ingram's stats IMO. Drafting Ingram over Simmons is turning a blind eye over their college stats and valuing shooting, length and age, three very good to elite attributes of Ingram.

They has DLO over KAT last season. Ford had Jah on top of his draftboard but Pelton had him at 14th.
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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#323 » by 76ciology » Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:15 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/alaatweets/status/742149846623236096[/tweet]

He's so long that his limbs and arms extends out of the table haha
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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#324 » by LongLiveHinkie » Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:19 am

Brandon Ingram wearing skinny jeans and they're baggy :lol: :lol:
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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#325 » by 76ciology » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:06 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:Brandon Ingram wearing skinny jeans and they're baggy :lol: :lol:


Safe to say "there's room for improvement"?
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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#326 » by freshie2 » Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:36 pm

Let's see if there's any video released from today...doubting we'll see anything.
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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#327 » by 76ciology » Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:13 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/76ersforever/status/742402656514232320[/tweet]

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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#328 » by OleSchool » Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:18 pm

Stuck at work, howd he look and did the PC take place yet?
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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#329 » by kriss73 » Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:19 pm

Interesting comment by Ingram:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/tmoore76ers/status/742404337888960512[/tweet]

Nothing at all, of course, but maybe it's not a lock to be 2 players draft.

I highly doubt that Simmons will say anything about him at the #3 pick :D
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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#330 » by 76ciology » Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:23 pm

kriss73 wrote:Interesting comment by Ingram:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/tmoore76ers/status/742404337888960512[/tweet]

Nothing at all, of course, but maybe it's not a lock to be 2 players draft.

I highly doubt that Simmons will say anything about him at the #3 pick :D


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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#331 » by Magic24 » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:10 pm

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Westbreezy wrote:After reading this little Wiggins/Embid debate if both had been healthy it got me thinking. A common NBA adage is that you always take big over small, but its pretty universally accepted that in the NBA today, when you have two comparable prospects, its generally a better idea to take the perimeter player now isn't it?

Obviously this is an oversimplification as its hard to find two prospects so comparable who are big vs. small


If Embiid never breaks a bone in his foot he's the clear number one pick. It wasn't a tough decision for Cleveland just like it's not a tough decision to take Simmons over Ingram. Embiid was clearly better than Wiggins and it wasn't that close Embiid goes number one 10 times out of 10 if he's doesn't get hurt.

Correct. Heck, If Embiid was in last year's draft, id take him over Towns (if healthy of course).
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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#332 » by Ericb5 » Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:35 pm

Magic24 wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:
Westbreezy wrote:After reading this little Wiggins/Embid debate if both had been healthy it got me thinking. A common NBA adage is that you always take big over small, but its pretty universally accepted that in the NBA today, when you have two comparable prospects, its generally a better idea to take the perimeter player now isn't it?

Obviously this is an oversimplification as its hard to find two prospects so comparable who are big vs. small


If Embiid never breaks a bone in his foot he's the clear number one pick. It wasn't a tough decision for Cleveland just like it's not a tough decision to take Simmons over Ingram. Embiid was clearly better than Wiggins and it wasn't that close Embiid goes number one 10 times out of 10 if he's doesn't get hurt.

Correct. Heck, If Embiid was in last year's draft, id take him over Towns (if healthy of course).


A healthy Embiid(meaning never had health problems) is basically Karl Towns with more athleticism, an additional 4 or 5 inches of reach, and another 25-30 pounds of muscle. Skills wise they can both do it all.

When people say that Towns is a better prospect than Embiid, what they are really saying is that they think Embiid can't be healthy.


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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#333 » by Agnostifarian » Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:40 pm

When will Ben Simmons grace us with his presence.
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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#334 » by Ericb5 » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:07 am

Agnostifarian wrote:When will Ben Simmons grace us with his presence.


Draft night.


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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#335 » by CoreyGallagher » Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:02 am

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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#336 » by Agnostifarian » Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:10 am

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Agnostifarian wrote:When will Ben Simmons grace us with his presence.


Draft night.


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Maybe Ben will give us a yellow shower when he shows up. Would you like that?
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Post#337 » by CoreyGallagher » Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:32 am

Agnostifarian wrote:Maybe Ben will give us a yellow shower when he shows up. Would you like that?

Creepy post, man. He wants to get drafted first overall knowing who is making that selection, if he doesn't work out privately does it ultimately matter? It's literally just a work out, as long as we get the privy information than I really don't care if he dominates a chair or not.
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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#338 » by Ericb5 » Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:02 pm

Agnostifarian wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
Agnostifarian wrote:When will Ben Simmons grace us with his presence.


Draft night.


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Maybe Ben will give us a yellow shower when he shows up. Would you like that?


He doesn't need to work out for us because there is nothing that we need to learn to make the decision. Our last 3 top picks didn't work out for us either.


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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#339 » by Agnostifarian » Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:09 pm

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Agnostifarian wrote:Maybe Ben will give us a yellow shower when he shows up. Would you like that?

Creepy post, man. He wants to get drafted first overall knowing who is making that selection, if he doesn't work out privately does it ultimately matter? It's literally just a work out, as long as we get the privy information than I really don't care if he dominates a chair or not.


Utter and complete lack of respect for the organization and the city - if Ben Simmons doesn't show up before the draft. Clearly, Ben would prefer to be picked by LAL.

So far, I haven't seen Ben rise to a challenge or overcome adversity. He appears to be the most "entitled" prospect that I can remember. Brett Brown deserves to coach a player, not babysit a petulant child.

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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#340 » by BullyKing » Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:16 pm

Agnostifarian wrote:
CoreyGallagher wrote:
Agnostifarian wrote:Maybe Ben will give us a yellow shower when he shows up. Would you like that?

Creepy post, man. He wants to get drafted first overall knowing who is making that selection, if he doesn't work out privately does it ultimately matter? It's literally just a work out, as long as we get the privy information than I really don't care if he dominates a chair or not.


Utter and complete lack of respect for the organization and the city - if Ben Simmons doesn't show up before the draft. Clearly, Ben would prefer to be picked by LAL.

So far, I haven't seen Ben rise to a challenge or overcome adversity. He appears to be the most "entitled" prospect that I can remember. Brett Brown deserves to coach a player, not babysit a petulant child.

Beware of what you ask for.


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