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Re: OT. The Donald Trump (and Politics) Momentum Thread 

Post#1621 » by CharlesOakley » Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:23 pm

G I N T wrote:This once great country cannot continue to be run into the ground by stupid, ignorant people.


Calling the President stupid and ignorant only shows your own stupidity and ignorance.

As for this whole Islam bashing, my personal belief is that religion is a red herring. If you bomb the crap out of people who have nothing, you are going to create terrorists. The religion is an artifact of where the bombs are dropped. As a nation, we have done more to create terrorists than Islam could ever do. The war on terror is about as effective as the war on drugs, which is to say it has the exact opposite effect that is intended.

Trump's solution to terrorism is the same one the NRA has for gun violence. More. Dropping more bombs won't solve the terrorism problem just like arming more citizens won't solve gun violence.
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Post#1622 » by metafisical » Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:31 pm

CharlesOakley wrote:Trump's solution to terrorism is the same one the NRA has for gun violence. More. Dropping more bombs won't solve the terrorism problem just like arming more citizens won't solve gun violence.


The history's first terrorist group, the Assassins of Alamut, were defeated by the Mongols. The Mongols laid siege to the Assassin stronghold and butchered every last one of them. The Assassins ceased to exist after that.

That is one effective way of defeating terrorism -- butcher entire populations of people who may be prone to terrorism.

It's not the way that I would go, personally, but there is a clear precedent that it does work.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump (and Politics) Momentum Thread 

Post#1623 » by CJackson » Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:36 pm

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CharlesOakley wrote:Trump's solution to terrorism is the same one the NRA has for gun violence. More. Dropping more bombs won't solve the terrorism problem just like arming more citizens won't solve gun violence.


The history's first terrorist group, the Assassins of Alamut, were defeated by the Mongols. The Mongols laid siege to the Assassin stronghold and butchered every last one of them. The Assassins ceased to exist after that.

That is one effective way of defeating terrorism -- butcher entire populations of people who may be prone to terrorism.

It's not the way that I would go, personally, but there is a clear precedent that it does work.


yeah man, now you are talking some real sense

we should have never stopped at hiroshima and nagasaki

we should have nuked every last Jap into oblivion so they could never again attack us

lets kill em all!

and we should have rounded up every last japanese american and put them into a camp forever. or exterminated them. who cares. whatever. we just should have handled it!
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Post#1624 » by metafisical » Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:44 pm

CJackson wrote:yeah man, now you are talking some real sense

we should have never stopped at hiroshima and nagasaki

we should have nuked every last Jap into oblivion so they could never again attack us

lets kill em all!

and we should have rounded up every last japanese american and put them into a camp forever. or exterminated them. who cares. whatever. we just should have handled it!


How could you say something like that? You're actually advocating mass extermination (of the Japanese)? That's something Hitler would do. That's absolutely despicable.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump (and Politics) Momentum Thread 

Post#1625 » by G I N T » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:12 pm

CharlesOakley wrote:
G I N T wrote:This once great country cannot continue to be run into the ground by stupid, ignorant people.


Calling the President stupid and ignorant only shows your own stupidity and ignorance.

As for this whole Islam bashing, my personal belief is that religion is a red herring. If you bomb the crap out of people who have nothing, you are going to create terrorists. The religion is an artifact of where the bombs are dropped. As a nation, we have done more to create terrorists than Islam could ever do. The war on terror is about as effective as the war on drugs, which is to say it has the exact opposite effect that is intended.

Trump's solution to terrorism is the same one the NRA has for gun violence. More. Dropping more bombs won't solve the terrorism problem just like arming more citizens won't solve gun violence.

That was good for a laugh, not sure if you seriously believed what you wrote. Just sad if you actually do, however. :lol:

The problem lies within the specific text of the holy book of none other than the religion of Islam. Certain lines in the Quran are interpreted by enough crazy Muslims to justify doing what they've been doing for the past two decades. They brainwash the next generation of these idiots who actually believe they're doing "Allah's will" or whatever, and the cycle continues.

That's why we don't call it radical Christianity, radical Judaism, radical Buddhism, radical Hinduism, radical atheism or anything else. No other religion/belief system produces what you see coming from Islam.

Trump's solution is the common sense and only logical solution - do anything possible within one's power to wipe them out, aka do your #1 job as a commander in chief, which is to keep the country safe. Extreme measures must be taken, but that's too bad because there's no other way to get it done.

It's a simple, straightforward concept that flies way over the heads of simple-minded, slow people like Obama and Hillary.

But yes, "we're to blame" for it... come on now.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump (and Politics) Momentum Thread 

Post#1627 » by CharlesOakley » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:39 pm

G I N T wrote:
CharlesOakley wrote:
G I N T wrote:This once great country cannot continue to be run into the ground by stupid, ignorant people.

That was good for a laugh, not sure if you seriously believed what you wrote. Just sad if you actually do, however. :lol:

The problem lies within the specific text of the holy book of none other than the religion of Islam. Certain lines in the Quran are interpreted by enough crazy Muslims to justify doing what they've been doing for the past two decades. They brainwash the next generation of these idiots who actually believe they're doing "Allah's will" or whatever, and the cycle continues.

That's why we don't call it radical Christianity, radical Judaism, radical Buddhism, radical Hinduism, radical atheism or anything else. No other religion/belief system produces what you see coming from Islam.

Trump's solution is the common sense and only logical solution - do anything possible within one's power to wipe them out, aka do your #1 job as a commander in chief, which is to keep the country safe. Extreme measures must be taken, but that's too bad because there's no other way to get it done.

It's a simple, straightforward concept that flies way over the heads of simple-minded, slow people like Obama and Hillary.

But yes, "we're to blame" for it... come on now.


Since you are an expert in interpreting religious texts you know that the Bible has been used to support everything from slavery to genocide to homophobia. The are plenty of extremist groups from all religions. I know the media has boiled down the problem of terrorism to the stunningly simple "Islam = bad" so that simpletons can pretend they understand how something like this can come to exist.

What you fail to recognize is that Islam exists all over the world and in many progressive societies. Yet the lions share of Islamic terrorism comes from one region of the world. It just so happens that the middle east has a collection of violent dictators and oppressive regimes which breed this sort of thing.

As for the role the US has in all of this, we funded the Taliban and Al-Queda (or the mujahideen which became these groups). We also had a major role in the creation of ISIS through our work in Syria. It has also been our unwavering support of Israel over Palestine, regardless of human rights violations, that put a target on our back.

ISIS members don't go around wearing t-shirts that say "ISIS member". Trump's master plan is to bomb the region until somehow ISIS unravels. This mean collateral damage, the death of many innocent, non-violent muslims which will lead to even more terrorists. That "plan" has literally never worked and is the reason for ISIS in the first place.

What could possibly go wrong?
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump (and Politics) Momentum Thread 

Post#1628 » by CharlesOakley » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:41 pm

metafisical wrote:
CJackson wrote:yeah man, now you are talking some real sense

we should have never stopped at hiroshima and nagasaki

we should have nuked every last Jap into oblivion so they could never again attack us

lets kill em all!

and we should have rounded up every last japanese american and put them into a camp forever. or exterminated them. who cares. whatever. we just should have handled it!


How could you say something like that? You're actually advocating mass extermination (of the Japanese)? That's something Hitler would do. That's absolutely despicable.


Right over your head I guess. He was being sarcastic because you were proposing the extermination of an entire group of people as a solution to terrorism.
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Post#1629 » by CharlesOakley » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:46 pm

Would they ever call this guy a terrorist even if he had gotten to go through with his plans? The discussion around white, male terrorists always seems to revolve around mental illness. They just don't get the same labels. "Terrorist" is reserved for brown people.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/california-west-hollywood-suspect-aresenal/

Some more food for thought.

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Post#1630 » by EricAnderson » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:56 pm

CharlesOakley wrote:Would they ever call this guy a terrorist even if he had gotten to go through with his plans? The discussion around white, male terrorists always seems to revolve around mental illness. They just don't get the same labels. "Terrorist" is reserved for brown people.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/california-west-hollywood-suspect-aresenal/

Some more food for thought.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqo1IR6_KtI[/youtube]


Ive heard mental illness a ton already on this guy.. People believe what they want to..

In fact with liberals it's the opposite.. They only like when the perpetrator is a straight white male

Gays being killed by Muslims this week really has their heads spinning
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Post#1631 » by CJackson » Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:02 pm

CharlesOakley wrote:
metafisical wrote:
CJackson wrote:yeah man, now you are talking some real sense

we should have never stopped at hiroshima and nagasaki

we should have nuked every last Jap into oblivion so they could never again attack us

lets kill em all!

and we should have rounded up every last japanese american and put them into a camp forever. or exterminated them. who cares. whatever. we just should have handled it!


How could you say something like that? You're actually advocating mass extermination (of the Japanese)? That's something Hitler would do. That's absolutely despicable.


Right over your head I guess. He was being sarcastic because you were proposing the extermination of an entire group of people as a solution to terrorism.


I give up. Some of the people who post here are so illiterate it is beyond comprehension. They would probably tell us Swift's A Modest Proposal was just as inappropriate but you cant expect simpletons to get satire

It was the only way I could respond to such a savagely stupid post that takes history and turns it into a comic book and equates the early assassins to jihad and even went so far as to draw idiotic comparisons between the exterminating mongols and committing modern genocide as being comparable situations. What a tool
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Post#1632 » by CJackson » Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:04 pm

EricAnderson wrote:
CharlesOakley wrote:Would they ever call this guy a terrorist even if he had gotten to go through with his plans? The discussion around white, male terrorists always seems to revolve around mental illness. They just don't get the same labels. "Terrorist" is reserved for brown people.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/california-west-hollywood-suspect-aresenal/

Some more food for thought.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqo1IR6_KtI[/youtube]


Ive heard mental illness a ton already on this guy.. People believe what they want to..

In fact with liberals it's the opposite.. They only like when the perpetrator is a straight white male


Gays being killed by Muslims this week really has their heads spinning


you like putting words into peoples mouths dont you? speak for yourself. you are an excrutiatingly vile person
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Post#1633 » by EricAnderson » Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:07 pm

CJackson wrote:
EricAnderson wrote:
CharlesOakley wrote:Would they ever call this guy a terrorist even if he had gotten to go through with his plans? The discussion around white, male terrorists always seems to revolve around mental illness. They just don't get the same labels. "Terrorist" is reserved for brown people.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/california-west-hollywood-suspect-aresenal/

Some more food for thought.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqo1IR6_KtI[/youtube]


Ive heard mental illness a ton already on this guy.. People believe what they want to..

In fact with liberals it's the opposite.. They only like when the perpetrator is a straight white male


Gays being killed by Muslims this week really has their heads spinning


you like putting words into peoples mouths dont you? speak for yourself. you are an excrutiatingly vile person


Then why the beating around the bush on using the words Muslim or Islam? Why the constant deflection and bringing up white shooters or what Christianity did 500 years ago before they decided to you know evolve.

As far as me I'm actually a good dude but I'm sorry that disagreeing with you on something makes me a bad person.. I didn't realize what a sage im taking to
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Post#1634 » by CJackson » Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:08 pm

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i literally feel sick now after watching that

the things people will defend these days are horrific

and we have people who try to play cute. an assault rifle is not a machine gun like little babies. I am so angry today
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Post#1635 » by CJackson » Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:10 pm

EricAnderson wrote:
CJackson wrote:
EricAnderson wrote:
Ive heard mental illness a ton already on this guy.. People believe what they want to..

In fact with liberals it's the opposite.. They only like when the perpetrator is a straight white male


Gays being killed by Muslims this week really has their heads spinning


you like putting words into peoples mouths dont you? speak for yourself. you are an excrutiatingly vile person


Then why the beating around the bush on using the words Muslim or Islam? Why the constant deflection and bringing up white shooters or what Christianity did 500 years ago before they decided to you know evolve.

As far as me I'm actually a good dude but I'm sorry that disagreeing with you on something makes me a bad person.. I didn't realize what a sage in taking to


The trio of you, crow and brake are three of the most vile and stupid people I have ever seen post

You are a soulless person and mean to the core

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Post#1636 » by EricAnderson » Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:14 pm

CJackson wrote:
EricAnderson wrote:
CJackson wrote:
you like putting words into peoples mouths dont you? speak for yourself. you are an excrutiatingly vile person


Then why the beating around the bush on using the words Muslim or Islam? Why the constant deflection and bringing up white shooters or what Christianity did 500 years ago before they decided to you know evolve.

As far as me I'm actually a good dude but I'm sorry that disagreeing with you on something makes me a bad person.. I didn't realize what a sage in taking to


The trio of you, crow and brake are three of the most vile and stupid people I have ever seen post

You are a soulless person and mean to the core

GOODBYE FOREVER



lol this is why liberals can't run the country.. Don't like facts and are too emotionally driven
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Post#1637 » by CJackson » Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:15 pm

EricAnderson wrote:
CJackson wrote:
EricAnderson wrote:
Then why the beating around the bush on using the words Muslim or Islam? Why the constant deflection and bringing up white shooters or what Christianity did 500 years ago before they decided to you know evolve.

As far as me I'm actually a good dude but I'm sorry that disagreeing with you on something makes me a bad person.. I didn't realize what a sage in taking to


The trio of you, crow and brake are three of the most vile and stupid people I have ever seen post

You are a soulless person and mean to the core

GOODBYE FOREVER



lol this is why liberals can't run the country.. Don't like facts and are too emotionally driven


No. You are just a truly vile creature

Now I have you on ignore
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Post#1638 » by AllanH20 » Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:19 pm

EricAnderson wrote:
CJackson wrote:
EricAnderson wrote:
Then why the beating around the bush on using the words Muslim or Islam? Why the constant deflection and bringing up white shooters or what Christianity did 500 years ago before they decided to you know evolve.

As far as me I'm actually a good dude but I'm sorry that disagreeing with you on something makes me a bad person.. I didn't realize what a sage in taking to


The trio of you, crow and brake are three of the most vile and stupid people I have ever seen post

You are a soulless person and mean to the core

GOODBYE FOREVER


lol this is why liberals can't run the country.. Don't like facts and are too emotionally driven


Yea bro, the last time a Republican ran the country, everything was fantastic :lol:
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Post#1639 » by Capn'O » Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:31 pm

CharlesOakley wrote:Would they ever call this guy a terrorist even if he had gotten to go through with his plans? The discussion around white, male terrorists always seems to revolve around mental illness. They just don't get the same labels. "Terrorist" is reserved for brown people.


Which "they?" It seems like law enforcement/government reps are restraining from calling the Orlando killer a terrorist as his ties to terrorist groups (Daesh/ISIS) were not formal i.e. there is no evidence yet that he was in direct contact with them. This is the correct approach, imo.

There is common discussion that because uninformed people use the word "terrorist" wrong that it should be more generally applied. That is a dangerous approach. It ought to be applied in the more narrow scope of coordinated, political attacks.


The problem is that the more loosely this word is thrown around, the more people get thrown under the blanket that don't deserve it. You can then apply the word "terrorist" to just about anyone you want. Protesters, Prius drivers (I've gotten "terrorist" for this), and yeah, lone wolves. The Western World is at war with Daesh and to a lesser extent now Al Qaida. Not Islam. And I think both sides of the debate need to better understand this. Muslims that don't align themselves with Daesh, and this is the vast, vast majority of those in the Middle East and world, are a target of Daesh. They are considered traitors and have frequently been among those murdered in the recent attacks in the US and abroad. "Mainstream" Muslims have been indiscriminately killed in these attacks. In the US, in particular, mainstream Muslims have been a great ally in identifying who among them is sympathetic with these fringe groups.

By and large, it needs to be better understood that A) there is a discrete enemy that aims to inspire terrorist acts and that B) most Muslims have nothing to do with it and are in fact very threatened by Daesh.
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Post#1640 » by CJackson » Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:39 pm

Capn'O wrote:
CharlesOakley wrote:Would they ever call this guy a terrorist even if he had gotten to go through with his plans? The discussion around white, male terrorists always seems to revolve around mental illness. They just don't get the same labels. "Terrorist" is reserved for brown people.


Which "they?" It seems like law enforcement/government reps are restraining from calling the Orlando killer a terrorist as his ties to terrorist groups (Daesh/ISIS) were not formal i.e. there is no evidence yet that he was in direct contact with them. This is the correct approach, imo.

There is common discussion that because uninformed people use the word "terrorist" wrong that it should be more generally applied. That is a dangerous approach. It ought to be applied in the more narrow scope of coordinated, political attacks.


The problem is that the more loosely this word is thrown around, the more people get thrown under the blanket that don't deserve it. You can then apply the word "terrorist" to just about anyone you want. Protesters, Prius drivers (I've gotten "terrorist" for this), and yeah, lone wolves. The Western World is at war with Daesh and to a lesser extent now Al Qaida. Not Islam. And I think both sides of the debate need to better understand this. Muslims that don't align themselves with Daesh, and this is the vast, vast majority of those in the Middle East and world, are a target of Daesh. They are considered traitors and have frequently been among those murdered in the recent attacks in the US and abroad. "Mainstream" Muslims have been indiscriminately killed in these attacks. In the US, in particular, mainstream Muslims have been a great ally in identifying who among them is sympathetic with these fringe groups.

By and large, it needs to be better understood that A) there is a discrete enemy that aims to inspire terrorist acts and that B) most Muslims have nothing to do with it and are in fact very threatened by Daesh.


Obama is being very careful with the languaging. Calling them ISIL and not the Islamic State. The ones who are playing the hate speech game also are the ones who loathe Obama.

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