RealGM 2016 Fan Forum Mock Draft - IND #20

[tocooks101]

Noooooooo!

Brice Johnson is maybe the best rebounder in the draft and Ulis would be a top 5 pick if he was 3 inches taller. Both guys are NBA ready, Thon Maker is an unnecessary gamble at this point in the draft!

[Wizop]

But Ulis isn't taller. I don't want him. Brice is fine though and Bolomboy could be even better rebounder available later so Maker not high on my list either.

[laydo]

Outside of the guys that have no chance of ending up at 20, I would be happy with ANY of the following
And if I could get any of the above, or the following with our 2nd, I'd be happy:
Jarrod Uthoff
Caris Levert
Michael Gbinije
Anthony Barber
Kahlil Felder
Zhou Qi
Gary Payton II
Wayne Selden
Chinanu Onuaku
Pascal Siakam

How about Yogi Ferrell or Marcus Paige?

Both of them shows good leadership.

I don't know enough on:
Furkan Korkmaz
Juan Hernangomes
Ante Zizic
Ivica Zubac
Petr Cornelie
Giorgios Papagiannis
(notice a theme here??)

Juan Hernangomes Reminds me of Austin Croshere. Good Shooting range, good athlete, grabs rebound, and with a lot of heart. He and his brother could both play in NBA in the future, the next generating for Spain after Pau and Marc Gasol.

[Wizop]

Yogi or Marcus could be available at 50. I'm okay with either there but neither at 20.

[Scoot McGroot]

Outside of the guys that have no chance of ending up at 20, I would be happy with ANY of the following
And if I could get any of the above, or the following with our 2nd, I'd be happy:
Jarrod Uthoff
Caris Levert
Michael Gbinije
Anthony Barber
Kahlil Felder
Zhou Qi
Gary Payton II
Wayne Selden
Chinanu Onuaku
Pascal Siakam

How about Yogi Ferrell or Marcus Paige?

Both of them shows good leadership.

I don't know enough on:
Furkan Korkmaz
Juan Hernangomes
Ante Zizic
Ivica Zubac
Petr Cornelie
Giorgios Papagiannis
(notice a theme here??)

Juan Hernangomes Reminds me of Austin Croshere. Good Shooting range, good athlete, grabs rebound, and with a lot of heart. He and his brother could both play in NBA in the future, the next generating for Spain after Pau and Marc Gasol.

At 20? No. I would be upset at Paige or Yogi being picked. At 50? Well, I wouldn't be upset. But, I believe odds are neither will be drafted at all, so, we could pick them up for camp if available.

[tocooks101]

But Ulis isn't taller. I don't want him. Brice is fine though and Bolomboy could be even better rebounder available later so Maker not high on my list either.

Maybe he has a little Paul George growth spurt in him?

Dont get me wrong, I would take Ulis at 20 with his current height, just pointing out that he is an elite talent at a position we have some question marks at.

I like Thon Maker, just seems like too big of a gamble with more proven talent on the board.

Korkmaz is an interesting option, lights out shooter with good height.

[Wizop]

I'd rather have yogi or Paige at 50 before Ulis at 20.

[Scoot McGroot]

I'd rather have yogi or Paige at 50 before Ulis at 20.

I get where you're coming from, and I certainly don't think you're crazy for thinking so. I just think that Ulis, especially at his age and development level, is a better player than Yogi, by quite a bit. He was playing better than senior year Yogi (the best Yogi ever played), as a sophomore, and truly leading that Kentucky squad, too.

[Wizop]

Perhaps I should put more weight on BPA, but I'd rather sign the veteran Lawson than draft the rookie Ulis at 20 and I think they are going to make an offer to Ty. I think that fills the back court roster spots unless we're giving up on Joe Young. not that I wouldn't move Stuckey or Miles to make PT for GRob and a Valentine or a Brogdon or a McCaw.

Much like the Colts took the top rated center, I really think we need a power forward particularly if Turner is seen as a center. Solo and JHill look to be gone and Ian is iffy. neither Whittington nor Christmas seem to be the answer. that has me on Brice and hoping Bolomboy drops to 50. I might even settle for Carter at 50 as he seems to have gotten a lot more fit. I see Bentil going somewhere in between and i want a rebounder more than a scorer anyway.

[Scoot McGroot]

Perhaps I should put more weight on BPA, but I'd rather sign the veteran Lawson than draft the rookie Ulis at 20 and I think they are going to make an offer to Ty. I think that fills the back court roster spots unless we're giving up on Joe Young. not that I wouldn't move Stuckey or Miles to make PT for GRob and a Valentine or a Brogdon or a McCaw.

Much like the Colts took the top rated center, I really think we need a power forward particularly if Turner is seen as a center. Solo and JHill look to be gone and Ian is iffy. neither Whittington nor Christmas seem to be the answer. that has me on Brice and hoping Bolomboy drops to 50. I might even settle for Carter at 50 as he seems to have gotten a lot more fit. I see Bentil going somewhere in between and i want a rebounder more than a scorer anyway.

Yeah. I think we have enough holes on the roster (need young guards, backup SF, and another young big man, basically....a young everything except for one big man spot) that we can't afford to simply pass on BPA. It's how we took Paul George with Danny Granger already on the roster. That's probably our difference, and both are fair. I think NFL draft, you need to clue in on big holes more than BPA. I think in the NBA, with only 5 guys on the court, you really need BPA, especially if you're looking to compete over the long haul, and not just fill a hole immediately.

[Wizop]

and the NFL has more rounds so you can balance position A in round one and position B in round two (or three or four) against B in one and A in two. The hope is always that need and talent intersect. In either sport though, if your guy is there you take him regardless of where the experts have him mocked. Colts did that with Freeney. Pacers did it with Solo.

I just don't see a "true point guard" that thrills me that I expect to see at 20 although I do like several of the bigger guys that are more combo guards. I do see speed as more important than size though at point. I just don't think a kid who can't stay in front of NBA point guards can be a BPA.

I won't scream if we take a wing even though I really like the 4's beginning with Brice Johnson. my ideal choice would be physical and speedy. a big needs to be able to both rebound and defend the arc on a pick and pop. Ian and Jordan and Lavoy all had trouble last year defending the perimeter. we need to add that ability to the roster whether through the draft of free agency.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

I'd love to get Patrick McCaw.

[Wizop]

We disagree often but not here. MaCaw is in my top three too.

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[tocooks101]

I think we have to look at BPA, aside from Tuner and George we don't have much in terms of a core. Getting talent should be our #1 priority.

[Wizop]

But to be a bpa he must be able to run and defend.

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[Scoot McGroot]

But to be a bpa he must be able to run and defend.

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Yeah, BPA more in terms of our metrics, not just a blank metric created by a website, which should include running and defense. I would also add long-range shooting to that metric.

[Wizop]

I left out long range shooting because I'd take a five without that skill and because I think a player can learn to be a better shooter but can't learn to be faster or longer. Between two otherwise equal prospects though, I agree we take the shooter.

[Scoot McGroot]

I left out long range shooting because I'd take a five without that skill and because I think a player can learn to be a better shooter but can't learn to be faster or longer. Between two otherwise equal prospects though, I agree we take the shooter.

I don't know. I think we need to focus on someone that has plus shooting, especially from range. We really need to keep the lane as open as possible to allow the wings to slash, and a big man needs to be respected from range.

[Wizop]

range yes. maybe not all the way to the arc though. but I agree a big needs to be able to pick and pop and not just roll. to be specific I think Brice has enough range. Turner's range helps too even if the draftee is nominally the 4 and Turner is the 5 as Turner can pull his man outside freeing up the middle for the draftee. being able to defend outside as well as inside is in the metric.

[Scoot McGroot]

range yes. maybe not all the way to the arc though. but I agree a big needs to be able to pick and pop and not just roll. to be specific I think Brice has enough range. Turner's range helps too even if the draftee is nominally the 4 and Turner is the 5 as Turner can pull his man outside freeing up the middle for the draftee. being able to defend outside as well as inside is in the metric.

Oh, I'm in agreeance in liking Turner.

I just meant overall. We really need more range shooting on this roster. A lot of it.