ImageImageImageImageImage

Thank Nation! Raps pick 9th - Draft on June 23rd 8pm (Part 7)

Moderators: 7 Footer, Morris_Shatford, niQ, Duffman100, tsherkin, Reeko, lebron stopper, DG88, HiJiNX

0 - 100
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,186
And1: 8,449
Joined: Jun 30, 2015

Re: Thank Nation! Raps pick 9th - Draft on June 23rd 8pm (Part 7) 

Post#61 » by 0 - 100 » Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:47 am

TheGoodDoctor wrote:
0 - 100 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/tmoore76ers/status/742776394761916417[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/tmoore76ers/status/742798287204274176[/tweet]

There is a sense that the Boston Celtics want to trade the third overall pick, but more and more executives believe the Celtics take Kentucky’s Jamal Murray or Cal’s Jaylen Brown if they keep the pick. Washington’s Marquese Chriss could be the dark horse for the Celtics in a bet-on-the-upside move. If the Celtics do not take Brown, its believed Denver and Sacramento are the next two teams extremely high on him as a prospect.


Don't see Brown going past Denver which is good for us imo


Could Bender actually slide all the way to us???

I wonder, no mention of his name.


I think Bender is taken by PHX if BOS takes Murray or Brown. I still think Chriss will be available at 9 even with all the rising stock the last few weeks
Masai Ujiri
Sophomore
Posts: 199
And1: 180
Joined: May 06, 2015
 

Re: Thank Nation! Raps pick 9th - Draft on June 23rd 8pm (Part 7) 

Post#62 » by Masai Ujiri » Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:50 am

TheGoodDoctor wrote:I'm just wondering for all the people advocating picking Poeltl why we would waste our lottery pick on a back up C when we could easily nab AJ Hammons with the #27 if need be and he projects better in nearly every category per 40?!

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jakob-poeltl-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/aj-hammons-1.html

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTjHHICQMy4[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-JYUrwFFNw[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM_kmFOX00U[/youtube]

Poelt 20 years old Hammons 24 years old
ImageImage
User avatar
Smitch
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,334
And1: 168
Joined: Jul 15, 2004
     

Re: Thank Nation! Raps pick 9th - Draft on June 23rd 8pm (Part 7) 

Post#63 » by Smitch » Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:53 am

Choker wrote:
CoachJReturns wrote:
IMAN5 wrote:We've drafted Derozan and McGrady with the #9 pick. I'd say we have really good luck picking at that spot.

Other 9th picks:

Dirk
Marion
Drummond


And also, Andre Iguodala :nonono:


You didn't have to bring this up. So much pain. :noway:
0 - 100
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,186
And1: 8,449
Joined: Jun 30, 2015

Re: Thank Nation! Raps pick 9th - Draft on June 23rd 8pm (Part 7) 

Post#64 » by 0 - 100 » Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:56 am

Really like this kid. Hoping Masai grabs him if he trades back. Should be gone by 20.

The biggest surprise was Juan Hernangomez. While he did not play against anyone, he did put his skills on display and he was impressive. His range all the way around the NBA three-point line was stellar. His aggressiveness around the basket in pad-contact drills was excellent. In talking with his agents, Hernangomez does not have a buyout in his contract so he’s free to come to a NBA team right away if that’s the best plan. Hernangomez also said he’d be fine staying in Europe another year or two if that’s the best plan. His skill and flexible attitude may make him hard to pass up in a fairly flat draft class. He has also been listed in various places as a small forward, which is not at all accurate. He’ll be a power forward in the NBA.”


“Yeah, I love the contact,” Hernangomez said. “It’s a different kind of play [between] Europe and USA, so I want to practice for a long time. I want to do it with a lot of energy and that’s it.”

If Hernangomez is able to match up physically with NBA big men sooner than expected, that would certainly make him one of the more intriguing players in this year’s draft class. In his time with Estudiantes, Hernangomez has shown that he has a fluid game and that he can take the ball off the dribble, in addition to his notable shooting stroke. Teams are well aware of these attributes, but are still trying to figure out what kind of player Hernangomez can be in a few years once he puts on some more muscle and is more physically developed.

While Hernangomez isn’t going to throw down highlight worthy dunks like DeAndre Jordan, he did display some notable explosiveness in his recent workout.

“Yeah, I want to prove every area, that I got it,” Hernangomez said when asked about his athleticism. “I want to be the most [complete] player that I can [be], so that’s the way. Improve everything and work so hard.”

While there is a lot to already like about Hernangomez, it is possible that a team could draft him with the intent of stashing him overseas for another year or two. While Hernangomez does not have a buyout clause (meaning he can come to the NBA immediately), he still has not decided whether he will jump to the NBA this upcoming season.

“No, I only want to enjoy this practice and enjoy the draft,” Hernangomez said when asked if he had decided whether he would come to the NBA next season. “I don’t know what position [I’ll be selected at], so it depends on the draft. Until the draft, [once I’m chosen], I’ll then have to [then] make a decision with my family, with my agent, with everybody.”

Whether Hernangomez comes to the NBA next season or at some point in the future, it’s clear that he has the potential to be a valuable addition for any team. Big men who can stretch the floor, take the ball of the dribble and rebound are considered valuable assets and Hernangomez has already proven that he is capable of doing all of those thing. The big question is determining what else he will be able to do in a few seasons. If his recent workouts are any indication, the future looks pretty bright for Hernangomez.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHpL9TbllFc[/youtube]

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-saturday-juan-hernangomez-impresses-in-workouts/
User avatar
OAKLEY_2
RealGM
Posts: 20,207
And1: 9,190
Joined: Dec 19, 2008

Re: Thank Nation! Raps pick 9th - Draft on June 23rd 8pm (Part 7) 

Post#65 » by OAKLEY_2 » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:06 am

0 - 100 wrote:Have a feeling we are trading back
t


Me too. Here's why. Like as is pretty obvious a dropping player is a piece of opportunistic fortune that has a reasonsble chance of happening. Should none of the 7'or 8 most talented players drop then our own tier 2 list could spread a number of players across say picks 13 (Korkmaz), 14 (Sabonis), 17 (Diallo), 20 (Prince). In every case we could special deliver Poetl or Ellenson to a team coveting a big with known skills and grab a pick in subsequent years for our troubles.

In other news Ross and Bebe to Philly. Lay your bets.
User avatar
raptor jesus
RealGM
Posts: 10,770
And1: 22,312
Joined: Feb 12, 2011
 

Re: Thank Nation! Raps pick 9th - Draft on June 23rd 8pm (Part 7) 

Post#66 » by raptor jesus » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:07 am

TheGoodDoctor wrote:I'm just wondering for all the people advocating picking Poeltl why we would waste our lottery pick on a back up C when we could easily nab AJ Hammons with the #27 if need be and he projects better in nearly every category per 40?!

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jakob-poeltl-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/aj-hammons-1.html


I don't get all this "backup" nonsense. Here are some conversations that I'm guessing never took place.

"Let's not take Paul George because he's just gonna back up Danny Granger"
"Let's not take CJ Mccollum because he's just gonna back up Wes Matthews"
"Let's not take Stephen Curry because he's just gonna back up Monta Ellis"
"Let's not take Andre Drummond because he's just gonna back up Greg Monroe"

It's exactly that line of thinking that led to us missing out on another great center, one of which we could have flipped for a big piece at some point. No, I'm not saying Poeltl is going to be the same calibre of the players I listed, just ranting about that logic.
User avatar
Smitch
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,334
And1: 168
Joined: Jul 15, 2004
     

Re: Thank Nation! Raps pick 9th - Draft on June 23rd 8pm (Part 7) 

Post#67 » by Smitch » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:08 am

Probably going to draft someone we didn't even work out with our 9th.
I mean there is a reach and a slip in every draft. Hope we get a lucky and BPA regardless of position.
BTW. BPA is who fits our system. Has defensive mindset and who will have a competitive effort to become better.
User avatar
Mister Ze
RealGM
Posts: 13,093
And1: 23,298
Joined: Jul 01, 2011
 

Re: Thank Nation! Raps pick 9th - Draft on June 23rd 8pm (Part 7) 

Post#68 » by Mister Ze » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:10 am

Out of all the top 8 prospects I think Bender is the biggest question mark and most likely to fall to 9 but I cant see who would move up.

I'd consider Hield, Murray, and Brown the only players worth trading up for in the 3-8 range.
TheGoodDoctor
General Manager
Posts: 9,807
And1: 8,607
Joined: Jul 23, 2012

Re: Thank Nation! Raps pick 9th - Draft on June 23rd 8pm (Part 7) 

Post#69 » by TheGoodDoctor » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:10 am

raptor jesus wrote:
TheGoodDoctor wrote:I'm just wondering for all the people advocating picking Poeltl why we would waste our lottery pick on a back up C when we could easily nab AJ Hammons with the #27 if need be and he projects better in nearly every category per 40?!

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jakob-poeltl-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/aj-hammons-1.html


I don't get all this "backup" nonsense. Here are some conversations that I'm guessing never took place.

"Let's not take Paul George because he's just gonna back up Danny Granger"
"Let's not take CJ Mccollum because he's just gonna back up Wes Matthews"
"Let's not take Stephen Curry because he's just gonna back up Monta Ellis"
"Let's not take Andre Drummond because he's just gonna back up Greg Monroe"

It's exactly that line of thinking that led to us missing out on another great center, one of which we could have flipped for a big piece at some point. No, I'm not saying Poeltl is going to be the same calibre of player, just dispelling that flawed logic.


Except that Poeltl is nowhere near the caliber of the names you're mentioning and WOULD be our back up C hence the conversation. Throwing out random and FAR superior players names doesn't solidify your point but weakens it because there's reason no one would say that BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SUPERIOR PLAYER lol Poeltl would be the inferior or in other words the back up. The flawed logic is taking the back up C when there are host of other players of equal calibre and if not better.

But better luck next time...
User avatar
raptor jesus
RealGM
Posts: 10,770
And1: 22,312
Joined: Feb 12, 2011
 

Re: Thank Nation! Raps pick 9th - Draft on June 23rd 8pm (Part 7) 

Post#70 » by raptor jesus » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:14 am

TheGoodDoctor wrote:
raptor jesus wrote:
TheGoodDoctor wrote:I'm just wondering for all the people advocating picking Poeltl why we would waste our lottery pick on a back up C when we could easily nab AJ Hammons with the #27 if need be and he projects better in nearly every category per 40?!

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jakob-poeltl-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/aj-hammons-1.html


I don't get all this "backup" nonsense. Here are some conversations that I'm guessing never took place.

"Let's not take Paul George because he's just gonna back up Danny Granger"
"Let's not take CJ Mccollum because he's just gonna back up Wes Matthews"
"Let's not take Stephen Curry because he's just gonna back up Monta Ellis"
"Let's not take Andre Drummond because he's just gonna back up Greg Monroe"

It's exactly that line of thinking that led to us missing out on another great center, one of which we could have flipped for a big piece at some point. No, I'm not saying Poeltl is going to be the same calibre of player, just dispelling that flawed logic.


Except that Poeltl is nowhere near the caliber of the names you're mentioning and WOULD be our back up C hence the conversation.

But better luck next time...


Kewl, but none of those guys were seen as big time prospects either, hence why I used them as examples. They were all selected around our current draft slot.
0 - 100
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,186
And1: 8,449
Joined: Jun 30, 2015

Re: Thank Nation! Raps pick 9th - Draft on June 23rd 8pm (Part 7) 

Post#71 » by 0 - 100 » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:14 am

OAKLEY_2 wrote:
0 - 100 wrote:Have a feeling we are trading back
t


Me too. Here's why. Like as is pretty obvious a dropping player is a piece of opportunistic fortune that has a reasonsble chance of happening. Should none of the 7'or 8 most talented players drop then our own tier 2 list could spread a number of players across say picks 13 (Korkmaz), 14 (Sabonis), 17 (Diallo), 20 (Prince). In every case we could special deliver Poetl or Ellenson to a team coveting a big with known skills and grab a pick in subsequent years for our troubles.

In other news Ross and Bebe to Philly. Lay your bets.


Hoping we can take Denver's 15 and 19 (I know I sound like a broken record) for 9 and take Kork and Prince. Stash Kork and let Prince back up Carroll next season. Boom.

Denver could possibly walk away with Brown who they are supposedly high on and a guy like Poeltl or Skal.
User avatar
Kevin Willis
RealGM
Posts: 12,690
And1: 8,099
Joined: Apr 17, 2009
       

Re: Thank Nation! Raps pick 9th - Draft on June 23rd 8pm (Part 7) 

Post#72 » by Kevin Willis » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:18 am

0 - 100 wrote:
TheGoodDoctor wrote:
0 - 100 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/tmoore76ers/status/742776394761916417[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/tmoore76ers/status/742798287204274176[/tweet]



Don't see Brown going past Denver which is good for us imo


Could Bender actually slide all the way to us???

I wonder, no mention of his name.


I think Bender is taken by PHX if BOS takes Murray or Brown. I still think Chriss will be available at 9 even with all the rising stock the last few weeks


Most likely Bender or Chriss would be available at our pick. If they're available then it doesn't make sense to draft Furkan unfortunately.
When Chuck Norris was born the doc said "Congratulations, its a man"
TheGoodDoctor
General Manager
Posts: 9,807
And1: 8,607
Joined: Jul 23, 2012

Re: Thank Nation! Raps pick 9th - Draft on June 23rd 8pm (Part 7) 

Post#73 » by TheGoodDoctor » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:18 am

raptor jesus wrote:
TheGoodDoctor wrote:
raptor jesus wrote:
I don't get all this "backup" nonsense. Here are some conversations that I'm guessing never took place.

"Let's not take Paul George because he's just gonna back up Danny Granger"
"Let's not take CJ Mccollum because he's just gonna back up Wes Matthews"
"Let's not take Stephen Curry because he's just gonna back up Monta Ellis"
"Let's not take Andre Drummond because he's just gonna back up Greg Monroe"

It's exactly that line of thinking that led to us missing out on another great center, one of which we could have flipped for a big piece at some point. No, I'm not saying Poeltl is going to be the same calibre of player, just dispelling that flawed logic.


Except that Poeltl is nowhere near the caliber of the names you're mentioning and WOULD be our back up C hence the conversation.

But better luck next time...


Kewl, but none of those guys were seen as big time prospects either, hence why I used them as examples. They were all selected around our current draft slot.


They also all had something ELITE about them whether it was size/measurements or athleticism (Drummond, PG) or scoring ability (Steph, CJ and PG).

There is nothing elite about Poeltl. You're grasping at straws and comparing apples to oranges.
User avatar
raptor jesus
RealGM
Posts: 10,770
And1: 22,312
Joined: Feb 12, 2011
 

Re: Thank Nation! Raps pick 9th - Draft on June 23rd 8pm (Part 7) 

Post#74 » by raptor jesus » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:25 am

TheGoodDoctor wrote:
raptor jesus wrote:
TheGoodDoctor wrote:
Except that Poeltl is nowhere near the caliber of the names you're mentioning and WOULD be our back up C hence the conversation.

But better luck next time...


Kewl, but none of those guys were seen as big time prospects either, hence why I used them as examples. They were all selected around our current draft slot.


They also all had something ELITE about them whether it was size/measurements or athleticism (Drummond, PG) or scoring ability (Steph, CJ and PG).

There is nothing elite about Poeltl. You're grasping at straws and comparing apples to oranges.


Again, you're totally missing the point. This isn't about Poeltl. It's about overlooking players based on position. You used the same logic to dispel Baldwin. Not liking those guys as prospects is fine, of course, but basing your opposition solely on the fact that the Raptors already have better players than them at the moment is folly. I mean, come to the table with something substantive, like "I'm concerned about Poeltl's toughness, his declining block %, or his FT improvement could be unsustainable"...
0 - 100
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,186
And1: 8,449
Joined: Jun 30, 2015

Re: Thank Nation! Raps pick 9th - Draft on June 23rd 8pm (Part 7) 

Post#75 » by 0 - 100 » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:27 am

Anyone else get the feeling that with Bruno on the team, they dont go after Skal ?

Both a few years away, similar body types and quite possibly could be playing the same position (Bruno could play the 4).
User avatar
Blood Orange
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,858
And1: 2,795
Joined: May 29, 2016
   

Re: Thank Nation! Raps pick 9th - Draft on June 23rd 8pm (Part 7) 

Post#76 » by Blood Orange » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:27 am

Badonkadonk wrote:
JuelzSantana wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ex2azNRh3E[/youtube]

He makes sense for our team.

This is a very unflattering video of Skal.


If you think its unflattering, I don't think you actually watched the video. It talks about his strengths and weaknesses, which gives a more complete picture of what kind of player he is rather than a highlight reel of dunks. His strengths being nice shooting stroke, mid range game, nice offensive post game, great perimeter defender, solid weak side shot blocker, etc… His skill set is ideal for the modern 4 and would fit seamless into our system, especially next to JV or BB.
User avatar
TdotRap4Lyfe
General Manager
Posts: 7,885
And1: 5,079
Joined: Feb 02, 2013
Location: Toronto
     

Re: Thank Nation! Raps pick 9th - Draft on June 23rd 8pm (Part 7) 

Post#77 » by TdotRap4Lyfe » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:33 am

Smitch wrote:Probably going to draft someone we didn't even work out with our 9th.
I mean there is a reach and a slip in every draft. Hope we get a lucky and BPA regardless of position.
BTW. BPA is who fits our system. Has defensive mindset and who will have a competitive effort to become better.

This. There is always someone in the top "whatever picks" that falls for some unexplainable reason, and either we capitalize on it and take them, or cash in and trade back for future (or current) assets as a result. Although this could go both ways it has happened. Perry Jones III was supposed to be a lottery pick, he freefell to OKC in the late first, he obviously didn't pan out. In the same draft, Jared Sullinger was also supposed to be in the lottery, he fell, not as far, but he fell; and he is a pretty good role player.
Image
Credits to Jstock12
User avatar
OAKLEY_2
RealGM
Posts: 20,207
And1: 9,190
Joined: Dec 19, 2008

Re: Thank Nation! Raps pick 9th - Draft on June 23rd 8pm (Part 7) 

Post#78 » by OAKLEY_2 » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:35 am

0 - 100 wrote:Anyone else get the feeling that with Bruno on the team, they dont go after Skal ?

Both a few years away, similar body types and quite possibly could be playing the same position (Bruno could play the 4).


Of course. Casey and Ujiri pretty much said he's a one-off as a project.
User avatar
BoyzNTheHood
Head Coach
Posts: 7,220
And1: 6,813
Joined: Apr 19, 2015

Re: Thank Nation! Raps pick 9th - Draft on June 23rd 8pm (Part 7) 

Post#79 » by BoyzNTheHood » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:37 am

This guy looks like another option at 27. A draft + stash player with a good set of skills.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/742759011888431105[/tweet]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r36mlf0BKi0[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THrLhb2l2U4[/youtube]
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
User avatar
Blood Orange
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,858
And1: 2,795
Joined: May 29, 2016
   

Re: Thank Nation! Raps pick 9th - Draft on June 23rd 8pm (Part 7) 

Post#80 » by Blood Orange » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:38 am

wegetitin08 wrote:Does anyone think we could select Wade Baldwin... He also fits Masai/Casey guy


If Masai picks up Wade Baldwin, I wouldn't even be mad. I think he's a reach @ #9 but he looks like he's going to be a solid player and has a nice jumper. If Masai picks him, you can cue the Ross trades ramped up by x1000.

Return to Toronto Raptors