The Trade/Free Agency Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 2

[bwgood77]

The word Booker and trade should not be used in the same sentence at all this offseason, period. I don't know what you're smokin President Dantley but I want some.

For Butler i'd offer a package of...
Warren + Knight + #4 + #13 + a future protected 1st

I believe that is the kind of thing Chicago would be looking for in a Butler trade. The rookie contracts are worth gold right now with the cap going up. If they are trading Butler and Rose they are rebuilding and these are the type of assets they would want.

Len over Warren. They need a big more than a 3. Maybe take Taj back. They already have Dougie McBuckets, Mirotic who can play 3 if needed, but will likely lose Noah and at some point Gasol.

[thamadkant]

i'd be willing to get into a bidding war with Danny Ainge, but only if he ends up holding the bag.

i would give up a certain amount for Butler, but i don't think Bled, Booker and Butler is enough to compete with the top teams in the conference.

in fact.....i'm not sure how this is going to shape up, but if the Celtics getting Butler is enough to entice Kevin Durant, we should let the Celtics take him. if we don't have to worry about about Durant or Butler, then we don't have to worry as much as about Oklahoma City. This gives us a better chance of getting into the playoffs.

i would give up Booker and our two lottery picks, or Booker, TJ and #13, or Booker, Len and #13. would i give up Bled for Butler? probably not. would i give up Knight? maybe. i still have hope, given that he was hurt most of the year.

i'm souring on the idea of Kevin Love, given the help he's been to the Cavaliers in this series. i think Blake Griffin would be a bigger threat to the Warriors. that degree of athleticism, as it was in the Warriors/Thunder series, could cause them problems.



i think we might go after Love, but i don't think the Cavs will trade him. they don't seem to win or lose because of him.

i also think the Bulls won't trade Butler. they're likely going to lose Pau and Joakim Noah. if they trade Butler, they'll have little to no talent left on the roster. i think it makes more sense to keep your All-Star, just in case you can attract another one later.

how does it benefit them if they trade Butler? they get a guy like Kris Dunn? i believe in Dunn as much as anyone. no matter who they put around him, they're closer with Butler than they are with Dunn. maybe Dunn can become an All-Star, but it's too much of a risk. i highly doubt it.

I rather not.

Because Im in the assumption and hopes that Suns FO want to make the finals sooner than later and in the situation Suns miraculously makes it to the finals... Only to be trampled by Celtics... Dont want that scenario at all.


How about Suns just focus on getting the best players for them... Rather than politically help easr side teams in order to scrape as wesr 8th seed and get destroyed in 4 games anyways.

[darealjuice]

Reading about a lot of users on the T&T board's opinons on Brandon Knight's trade value is pretty funny lol I see all these people talking about how he has negative trade value, or how X recent draft pick is much more valuable, or Y fringe-All Star is light-years better, and I'm just getting flashbacks to when everyone said we'd get a 2nd rounder at best for Markieff

[jeff2020]

A couple weeks ago I put up something on the trade forum like:

PHX gets Butler
CHI gets Okafor, Knight, #13, #28
PHI gets #4

Chicago fans thought their end was light. So did some Philly fans. Suns fans thought we gave up too much. But that's how fans roll.

If that is all we have to give up to get Butler I do that in a heartbeat. Giving up a mid first and late first is no big deal at all. Giving up Knight, let's be honest, who really cares. The only piece that hurts is #4, but you are getting an elite defender who can stretch the floor and put in 20 a game. An absolute no brainer if that was actually ever on the table

If you are Chicago would you rather have Okafor, Bradley, #16, 23 and 31 though? Or throw Smart in instead of Bradley and would Philly hold it up to get 3 if that was the other offer on the table? Or would you rather have a straight up deal for the 5, LaVine and Dieng?

Oh if I am Chicago I much rather have the combo of Okafor, Bradley, #16, 23 and 31. Just saying if somehow that deal was on the table to up Kour draft for Butler I do it immediately. I do not understand at all why Chicago would do that Twolves deal. They would be getting absolutely robbed in that deal

[saintEscaton]

Bulls won't deal Jimmy without getting Wiggins back. The 5th pick ain't enough

[bwgood77]

If that is all we have to give up to get Butler I do that in a heartbeat. Giving up a mid first and late first is no big deal at all. Giving up Knight, let's be honest, who really cares. The only piece that hurts is #4, but you are getting an elite defender who can stretch the floor and put in 20 a game. An absolute no brainer if that was actually ever on the table

If you are Chicago would you rather have Okafor, Bradley, #16, 23 and 31 though? Or throw Smart in instead of Bradley and would Philly hold it up to get 3 if that was the other offer on the table? Or would you rather have a straight up deal for the 5, LaVine and Dieng?

Oh if I am Chicago I much rather have the combo of Okafor, Bradley, #16, 23 and 31. Just saying if somehow that deal was on the table to up Kour draft for Butler I do it immediately. I do not understand at all why Chicago would do that Twolves deal. They would be getting absolutely robbed in that deal

What about straight up for Wiggins?

[bwgood77]

Reading about a lot of users on the T&T board's opinons on Brandon Knight's trade value is pretty funny lol I see all these people talking about how he has negative trade value, or how X recent draft pick is much more valuable, or Y fringe-All Star is light-years better, and I'm just getting flashbacks to when everyone said we'd get a 2nd rounder at best for Markieff

Yeah, as much as I complained about him, it wasn't all completely fair given he has been injured, the team in turmoil or decimated last year after trade deadline and just a mess this year. He was obviously not going to put up good numbers playing with no real PF early (though he did at times) and next to a rookie or Price late, with a shell of a front court playing two centers.

Still needs to improve on decision making, taking better shots, a little more ball movement, crunch time, and turnovers, but I can't imagine a rookie comes in and is any better. Murray may end up being a better shooter, but he had fewer assists in college and had more turnovers than assists.

[Kerrsed]

Reading about a lot of users on the T&T board's opinons on Brandon Knight's trade value is pretty funny lol I see all these people talking about how he has negative trade value, or how X recent draft pick is much more valuable, or Y fringe-All Star is light-years better, and I'm just getting flashbacks to when everyone said we'd get a 2nd rounder at best for Markieff

I see Knights perceived value on the Trade Board as what IT's was when we had him. All people wanted to do was talk about how bad his deal was, how he was a shoot first hero ball PG with bad percentages. How no one wanted him. Now a year later, he is an all-star and peoples opinions on him have changed drastically. That is Knight. Throw him on a new team like Philly or Sactown and he will blossom and people will wonder why we traded him for so little. Its a bit of people being un-knowledgeable with a bit of hindsight mixed in. 2015 Knight = 2014 Thomas.

[jeff2020]

If you are Chicago would you rather have Okafor, Bradley, #16, 23 and 31 though? Or throw Smart in instead of Bradley and would Philly hold it up to get 3 if that was the other offer on the table? Or would you rather have a straight up deal for the 5, LaVine and Dieng?

Oh if I am Chicago I much rather have the combo of Okafor, Bradley, #16, 23 and 31. Just saying if somehow that deal was on the table to up Kour draft for Butler I do it immediately. I do not understand at all why Chicago would do that Twolves deal. They would be getting absolutely robbed in that deal

What about straight up for Wiggins?

I think Chicago definitely does that trade. Minnesota would not though. Too much risk for both teams involved for one GM to look really bad.

[bwgood77]

Oh if I am Chicago I much rather have the combo of Okafor, Bradley, #16, 23 and 31. Just saying if somehow that deal was on the table to up Kour draft for Butler I do it immediately. I do not understand at all why Chicago would do that Twolves deal. They would be getting absolutely robbed in that deal

What about straight up for Wiggins?

I think Chicago definitely does that trade. Minnesota would not though. Too much risk for both teams involved for one GM to look really bad.

Keep in mind Thibs is GM and coached Butler and seems to desperately want him.

[jredsaz]

A couple weeks ago I put up something on the trade forum like:

PHX gets Butler
CHI gets Okafor, Knight, #13, #28
PHI gets #4

Chicago fans thought their end was light. So did some Philly fans. Suns fans thought we gave up too much. But that's how fans roll.

If that is all we have to give up to get Butler I do that in a heartbeat. Giving up a mid first and late first is no big deal at all. Giving up Knight, let's be honest, who really cares. The only piece that hurts is #4, but you are getting an elite defender who can stretch the floor and put in 20 a game. An absolute no brainer if that was actually ever on the table

If you are Chicago would you rather have Okafor, Bradley, #16, 23 and 31 though? Or throw Smart in instead of Bradley and would Philly hold it up to get 3 if that was the other offer on the table? Or would you rather have a straight up deal for the 5, LaVine and Dieng?

Bulls fans are thinking #3, 2017 Brooklyn Pick, plus from Boston.

[saintEscaton]

Bulls hang up the phone unless we include Booker or both Miami picks. Then we prolly get to keep the #4

[jeff2020]

What about straight up for Wiggins?

I think Chicago definitely does that trade. Minnesota would not though. Too much risk for both teams involved for one GM to look really bad.

Keep in mind Thibs is GM and coached Butler and seems to desperately want him.

Good point. I just don't think either team does that deal straight up

[bwgood77]

That's the thing. Chicago doesn't have to do anything. They can wait and make teams give outrageous offers and simply keep Butler if they want...they control him for awhile. They can wait to see who drafts who and who they can sign and trade at any time.

[jeff2020]

If that is all we have to give up to get Butler I do that in a heartbeat. Giving up a mid first and late first is no big deal at all. Giving up Knight, let's be honest, who really cares. The only piece that hurts is #4, but you are getting an elite defender who can stretch the floor and put in 20 a game. An absolute no brainer if that was actually ever on the table

If you are Chicago would you rather have Okafor, Bradley, #16, 23 and 31 though? Or throw Smart in instead of Bradley and would Philly hold it up to get 3 if that was the other offer on the table? Or would you rather have a straight up deal for the 5, LaVine and Dieng?

Bulls fans are thinking #3, 2017 Brooklyn Pick, plus from Boston.

That is way too much to give up for a player who isn't even going to put them over the top in the east

[letsgosuns]

You guys know what happens when you get so desperate to win and make some obscene trade? You end up like Brooklyn and give up three unprotected first round picks and go nowhere. I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in giving up some kind of massive package for Butler. That kind of package is reserved for MVP players in their prime only. And those guys are usually never available. You do not trade several draft picks and your best young players for a guy that is a second/third option on a team.

[8on]

oh.....forgot about the Miami picks.

two Miami picks + #4 + #13? would that do it? do i have to add TJ? fine, ok.

i've been thinking......what if we could get Bledsoe + Butler + Blake Griffin?

that would be dangerous. we could put a lot of pressure on any team at the line. we'd be a great rebounding team, especially with a Bledsoe/Butler backcourt. add Griff and Tyson.....maybe Nic Batum.....now that is dangerous.

[bwgood77]

If you are Chicago would you rather have Okafor, Bradley, #16, 23 and 31 though? Or throw Smart in instead of Bradley and would Philly hold it up to get 3 if that was the other offer on the table? Or would you rather have a straight up deal for the 5, LaVine and Dieng?

Bulls fans are thinking #3, 2017 Brooklyn Pick, plus from Boston.

That is way too much to give up for a player who isn't even going to put them over the top in the east

He is super young, and Cleveland is going to decline slowly. I'd do it if I was Boston at this point because they are firmly a playoff team with a fanbase that wants to compete. Draft picks may not pan out at all...it's not like their high draft picks have panned out to much, and it would take a while for those guys to compete. They should put some protection on the 17 one, but I don't know if Chicago accepts that if there is too much protection.

[bwgood77]

oh.....forgot about the Miami picks.

two Miami picks + #4 + #13? would that do it? do i have to add TJ? fine, ok.

i've been thinking......what if we could get Bledsoe + Butler + Blake Griffin?

that would be dangerous. we could put a lot of pressure on any team at the line. we'd be a great rebounding team, especially with a Bledsoe/Butler backcourt. add Griff and Tyson.....maybe Nic Batum.....now that is dangerous.

I don't think the Miami picks are going to do too much for a deal unless a team is like at the serious beginning of a rebuild. Some can argue the Bulls are, but they have an all star soon to hit his prime, and a fan base who is used to competing.

[8on]

what's......what's the fuss with Okafor? i know he can score.

i don't want him here. what about him makes you think he would be good in an up-tempo offense? what makes anyone think that he is an ideal modern NBA PF or C?

i think Jahlil is the opposite of a good fit for the Phoenix Suns. i think he's a killer, and i think a team like Charlotte or the Nets would love him, but i don't think he fits here. not with the brand of basketball we're trying to play.

whoever it was that mentioned me before - i understand the popular consensus is to bash Knight & praise Booker. based on what? his promise? Knight is currently better than Booker. until Book actually materializes as an All-Star, i honestly prefer Knight. i think he brings more to the table right now.