2016 Draft Thread Part 3 - Poll Update

[JMac1]

If Bender is there at 4, we should draft him. I expect him to take 2 years to develop into a starter, but our team isn't ready to compete anytime soon. We should trade Knight to make room for Booker to develop. We do not need to sign any free agents, except for maybe Teletovic. Our plan should be to develop a team that will compete in 2 to 3 years from now. Please lets rebuild with patience. I'd rather have a team that has sustained success, rather than a team that sneaks into the playoffs every once in a while.

I believe. We will trade Knight and the #13 for Okafor (Celts play hard ball) and draft Bender.

Bledsoe
Booker
Warren
Bender
Okafor

Don't hate it, but sure as hell better outscore teams cause that team bloooooows on D

Bender and Bledsoe are above average. Booker and TJ will be fine in a year or two. Don't forget, defense is dictated by the love from the refs which is correlated with NBA experience and favoritism.

[letsgosuns]

What are the chances the Suns pick two power forwards? I read mock drafts and some of them say if the Suns pick Bender with the fourth pick, they are not going to take another power forward at 13. Why not. The team currently has ZERO power forwards on the roster. On the other hand they have Bledsoe, Booker, Knight, Goodwin, and are trying to bring over Bogdanovich. That is already five guards, assuming Knight does not get traded. They have a young small forward that needs 30 minutes a game in Warren. Then there is Tucker who for whatever reason they love. Len and Chandler appear to be the centers at least for next year. There are no good power forwards available in free agency. Why would you not try to draft two power forwards like Bender/Sabonis.

[JMac1]

If Bender is there at 4, we should draft him. I expect him to take 2 years to develop into a starter, but our team isn't ready to compete anytime soon. We should trade Knight to make room for Booker to develop. We do not need to sign any free agents, except for maybe Teletovic. Our plan should be to develop a team that will compete in 2 to 3 years from now. Please lets rebuild with patience. I'd rather have a team that has sustained success, rather than a team that sneaks into the playoffs every once in a while.

I believe. We will trade Knight and the #13 for Okafor (Celts play hard ball) and draft Bender.

Bledsoe
Booker
Warren
Bender
Okafor

I think Philly's motive in moving Okafor would be to grab a pick they could use on Dunn, so I don't see any scenario where we can end up with both Bender and Okafor.

Thus the caveat about Boston. If no one trades them, what are they going to do? Knight and the #13 isn't a bad haul.

[NTB]

I'd be happy with either one of Chriss and Bender.

[Zelaznyrules]

Why are we acting like you have a set starting 5 that HAS to conform to rigidly labeled positions and that the whole game will be played with that lineup exclusively? Nobody brings in subs? Lineups can't change? We're watching a Finals with lineups like Kyrie-Smith-Shumpert-Jefferson-LeBron vs Curry-Thompson-Iguodala-Barnes-Green. But theres just no way two guys who are seen primarily as the same position could possibly play together?

I get what you are saying, but both these teams have a 'starter-level' player at every position--we don't. We have 'zilch' at PF. Don't you like our chances of finding a starting PF at 4 better than at 13?

We aren't getting a PF in FA, at least not a starter, and if you think a team will 'trade' a good stating PF for Knight, I think you are 'dreaming' a bit.

If we had a starter at every position, I'd say grab BPA, but we don't, and I don't see Hield being 'head and shoulders' better than any of the options that will be available at 4 at the PF position.

I ask you, if we take Hield, who's our starter at PF next season?? Warren?? Len??

I'd agree with your logic if the world was scheduled to end after this next season. But since that's hopefully not happening, it makes more sense to add talent than it does to simply fill a position. It's not like that position can't be addressed next year or the year after. And this is especially true with our 4th pick because none of them look to be PF's that can step in and fill the position right away, these guys all seem to be projects. If the front office believes it has clearly determined the best player, that has to be our pick IMO.

[NavLDO]

Why are we acting like you have a set starting 5 that HAS to conform to rigidly labeled positions and that the whole game will be played with that lineup exclusively? Nobody brings in subs? Lineups can't change? We're watching a Finals with lineups like Kyrie-Smith-Shumpert-Jefferson-LeBron vs Curry-Thompson-Iguodala-Barnes-Green. But theres just no way two guys who are seen primarily as the same position could possibly play together?

I get what you are saying, but both these teams have a 'starter-level' player at every position--we don't. We have 'zilch' at PF. Don't you like our chances of finding a starting PF at 4 better than at 13?

We aren't getting a PF in FA, at least not a starter, and if you think a team will 'trade' a good stating PF for Knight, I think you are 'dreaming' a bit.

If we had a starter at every position, I'd say grab BPA, but we don't, and I don't see Hield being 'head and shoulders' better than any of the options that will be available at 4 at the PF position.

I ask you, if we take Hield, who's our starter at PF next season?? Warren?? Len??

I'd agree with your logic if the world was scheduled to end after this next season. But since that's hopefully not happening, it makes more sense to add talent than it does to simply fill a position. It's not like that position can't be addressed next year or the year after. And this is especially true with our 4th pick because none of them look to be PF's that can step in and fill the position right away, these guys all seem to be projects. If the front office believes it has clearly determined the best player, that has to be our pick IMO.

Got it. Can you then please tell me who we play at PF this season?

[Phnxsports]

The more I watch multiple videos focusing on each players strengths and weaknesses, I find myself falling for Chriss more and more. I love his athleticism and rim attacking mentality. None of the other bigs projected in the top 15 have that. The thought of this kid being a future pick n roll option is exciting. In addition, he has a very nice shooting touch to go with it.

He has gone from unknown high school kid to putting himself on the map as a potential top 10 draft prospect in one year. Imagine if he continues to improve at the same rate over the course of the next few years. A lot of his weaknesses are very coach-able but his strengths of just having such god given athletic ability cant be matched by any of the other bigs in this years draft.

At the end of the day when I compare all the different attributes I come to the conclusion that more often then not, Chriss can do a lot of the things Bender can do, but Bender cant do a lot of the things Chriss can do.

For the 13th pick I think I am getting pretty settled that I would take my chances on Luwawu

That goes both ways my friend. Bender can push the ball and pass. Chris cannot initiate offense, but I do see some Amare style offense in him (Chriss) in the Pick N Roll and Pick and Pop, but he can't put it on the floor like Amare.

Both players could be special, but I just like Bender's game more because it is conducive to today's game more than Chriss.

I totally understand where you are coming from JMAC. I admit I have not been Bender fan since day one. I've tried to see what everyone else sees in him. I really have.

I suppose my preference is to have a power presence to accompany the shooting capabilities in my PF and I don't see any power game at all in Bender. Bender does run like a gazelle for a 7 footer and is the superior passer for sure, but Chriss can run the floor just as well. The difference is Bender can run with the ball and Chriss probably cant.

But the way I see it, based on the Suns current makeup, I see a lot more value in getting the ball in Bledsoe/Knights hands running the break and let Chriss run the floor with them as an amazing finisher opposed to Bender running the fast break and being the facilitator taking the ball out of Bledsoe/Knights hands.

There are also a lot more half court sets the team will face as opposed to fast break points/opportunities that Bender can excel in. Chriss would excel much more in half court in my opinion.

[NavLDO]

Why are we acting like you have a set starting 5 that HAS to conform to rigidly labeled positions and that the whole game will be played with that lineup exclusively? Nobody brings in subs? Lineups can't change? We're watching a Finals with lineups like Kyrie-Smith-Shumpert-Jefferson-LeBron vs Curry-Thompson-Iguodala-Barnes-Green. But theres just no way two guys who are seen primarily as the same position could possibly play together?

I get what you are saying, but both these teams have a 'starter-level' player at every position--we don't. We have 'zilch' at PF. Don't you like our chances of finding a starting PF at 4 better than at 13?

We aren't getting a PF in FA, at least not a starter, and if you think a team will 'trade' a good stating PF for Knight, I think you are 'dreaming' a bit.

If we had a starter at every position, I'd say grab BPA, but we don't, and I don't see Hield being 'head and shoulders' better than any of the options that will be available at 4 at the PF position.

I ask you, if we take Hield, who's our starter at PF next season?? Warren?? Len??

I'd agree with your logic if the world was scheduled to end after this next season. But since that's hopefully not happening, it makes more sense to add talent than it does to simply fill a position. It's not like that position can't be addressed next year or the year after. And this is especially true with our 4th pick because none of them look to be PF's that can step in and fill the position right away, these guys all seem to be projects. If the front office believes it has clearly determined the best player, that has to be our pick IMO.

Got it. Can you then please tell me who we play at PF this season? That's the question not a single person has answered for me. You tell me who we start at PF, and I'll be on the BPA train.

[Zelaznyrules]

I get what you are saying, but both these teams have a 'starter-level' player at every position--we don't. We have 'zilch' at PF. Don't you like our chances of finding a starting PF at 4 better than at 13?

We aren't getting a PF in FA, at least not a starter, and if you think a team will 'trade' a good stating PF for Knight, I think you are 'dreaming' a bit.

If we had a starter at every position, I'd say grab BPA, but we don't, and I don't see Hield being 'head and shoulders' better than any of the options that will be available at 4 at the PF position.

I ask you, if we take Hield, who's our starter at PF next season?? Warren?? Len??

I'd agree with your logic if the world was scheduled to end after this next season. But since that's hopefully not happening, it makes more sense to add talent than it does to simply fill a position. It's not like that position can't be addressed next year or the year after. And this is especially true with our 4th pick because none of them look to be PF's that can step in and fill the position right away, these guys all seem to be projects. If the front office believes it has clearly determined the best player, that has to be our pick IMO.

Got it. Can you then please tell me who we play at PF this season?

I'll reverse that question, can you tell me which power forward in the 4th pick pool would be better in 2016 than any of the throw away PF's we can sign this summer? And I think we're more likely to find someone to fill the position immediately at 13 than at 4, as there are some lower-ceilinged bigs available that are typically ignored for the 4th pick. Someone like Sabonis could hold down the spot for a couple of years, maybe Ellenson etc but I think most of us would hate either of them at 4.

I figure we'll re-sign at least one of the Teletovic/Leuer combo and add a rookie PF with one of our picks. If it's at 4, I'm fine with that as long as they believe him to me the BPA. Otherwise it smacks of desperation to me.

[Cactus Jack]

I get what you are saying, but both these teams have a 'starter-level' player at every position--we don't. We have 'zilch' at PF. Don't you like our chances of finding a starting PF at 4 better than at 13?

We aren't getting a PF in FA, at least not a starter, and if you think a team will 'trade' a good stating PF for Knight, I think you are 'dreaming' a bit.

If we had a starter at every position, I'd say grab BPA, but we don't, and I don't see Hield being 'head and shoulders' better than any of the options that will be available at 4 at the PF position.

I ask you, if we take Hield, who's our starter at PF next season?? Warren?? Len??

I'd agree with your logic if the world was scheduled to end after this next season. But since that's hopefully not happening, it makes more sense to add talent than it does to simply fill a position. It's not like that position can't be addressed next year or the year after. And this is especially true with our 4th pick because none of them look to be PF's that can step in and fill the position right away, these guys all seem to be projects. If the front office believes it has clearly determined the best player, that has to be our pick IMO.

Got it. Can you then please tell me who we play at PF this season? That's the question not a single person has answered for me. You tell me who we start at PF, and I'll be on the BPA train.

Does it really matter? The draft doesn't make up an entire offseason? This team can address that in free agency, if need be. Trade's, etc. Reaching for a player based on a need only, is a horrible philosophy.

[NavLDO]

I'd agree with your logic if the world was scheduled to end after this next season. But since that's hopefully not happening, it makes more sense to add talent than it does to simply fill a position. It's not like that position can't be addressed next year or the year after. And this is especially true with our 4th pick because none of them look to be PF's that can step in and fill the position right away, these guys all seem to be projects. If the front office believes it has clearly determined the best player, that has to be our pick IMO.

Got it. Can you then please tell me who we play at PF this season?

I'll reverse that question, can you tell me which power forward in the 4th pick pool would be better in 2016 than any of the throw away PF's we can sign this summer? And I think we're more likely to find someone to fill the position immediately at 13 than at 4, as there are some lower-ceilinged bigs available that are typically ignored for the 4th pick. Someone like Sabonis could hold down the spot for a couple of years, maybe Ellenson etc but I think most of us would hate either of them at 4.

I figure we'll re-sign at least one of the Teletovic/Leuer combo and add a rookie PF with one of our picks. If it's at 4, I'm fine with that as long as they believe him to me the BPA. Otherwise it smacks of desperation to me.

Because I do not want to get into a bidding war for a 'meh' PF. I'm fine with Sabonis or Ellenson at 13; question is, is McD? What if he's left with one or two guys he doesn't like, but as to 'choose' to ensure we address the position. That to me reeks more of desperation than taking maybe the number 5 guy on your board instead of the number 4.

Again, I'm fine with BPA at 4; I personally do not feel Hield or Dunn are--I think Chriss has more upside, and not anymore holes in his game than the other two. I think Davis I also close enough. But that's my opinion.

[JMac1]

The more I watch multiple videos focusing on each players strengths and weaknesses, I find myself falling for Chriss more and more. I love his athleticism and rim attacking mentality. None of the other bigs projected in the top 15 have that. The thought of this kid being a future pick n roll option is exciting. In addition, he has a very nice shooting touch to go with it.

He has gone from unknown high school kid to putting himself on the map as a potential top 10 draft prospect in one year. Imagine if he continues to improve at the same rate over the course of the next few years. A lot of his weaknesses are very coach-able but his strengths of just having such god given athletic ability cant be matched by any of the other bigs in this years draft.

At the end of the day when I compare all the different attributes I come to the conclusion that more often then not, Chriss can do a lot of the things Bender can do, but Bender cant do a lot of the things Chriss can do.

For the 13th pick I think I am getting pretty settled that I would take my chances on Luwawu

That goes both ways my friend. Bender can push the ball and pass. Chris cannot initiate offense, but I do see some Amare style offense in him (Chriss) in the Pick N Roll and Pick and Pop, but he can't put it on the floor like Amare.

Both players could be special, but I just like Bender's game more because it is conducive to today's game more than Chriss.

I totally understand where you are coming from JMAC. I admit I have not been Bender fan since day one. I've tried to see what everyone else sees in him. I really have.

I suppose my preference is to have a power presence to accompany the shooting capabilities in my PF and I don't see any power game at all in Bender. Bender does run like a gazelle for a 7 footer and is the superior passer for sure, but Chriss can run the floor just as well. The difference is Bender can run with the ball and Chriss probably cant.

But the way I see it, based on the Suns current makeup, I see a lot more value in getting the ball in Bledsoe/Knights hands running the break and let Chriss run the floor with them as an amazing finisher opposed to Bender running the fast break and being the facilitator taking the ball out of Bledsoe/Knights hands.

There are also a lot more half court sets the team will face as opposed to fast break points/opportunities that Bender can excel in. Chriss would excel much more in half court in my opinion.

Well you know me, if we draft Chriss, I will envision him in the mold you sold If Mc'D picks him over Bender then I would think that he feels as you do. I wouldn't have a problem with Chriss.

I think Bender would be better in half court sets than Chriss because he can put the ball on the floor. Bender can pick and pop and pick and roll, but also attack on the close out and pass. I just see Chriss shooting or dunking, but when a team rotates effectively he might get stuck. IMO

[dremill24]

I get what you are saying, but both these teams have a 'starter-level' player at every position--we don't. We have 'zilch' at PF. Don't you like our chances of finding a starting PF at 4 better than at 13?

We aren't getting a PF in FA, at least not a starter, and if you think a team will 'trade' a good stating PF for Knight, I think you are 'dreaming' a bit.

If we had a starter at every position, I'd say grab BPA, but we don't, and I don't see Hield being 'head and shoulders' better than any of the options that will be available at 4 at the PF position.

I ask you, if we take Hield, who's our starter at PF next season?? Warren?? Len??

I'd agree with your logic if the world was scheduled to end after this next season. But since that's hopefully not happening, it makes more sense to add talent than it does to simply fill a position. It's not like that position can't be addressed next year or the year after. And this is especially true with our 4th pick because none of them look to be PF's that can step in and fill the position right away, these guys all seem to be projects. If the front office believes it has clearly determined the best player, that has to be our pick IMO.

Got it. Can you then please tell me who we play at PF this season? That's the question not a single person has answered for me. You tell me who we start at PF, and I'll be on the BPA train.

Len? Teletovic? Tucker? Dwight Powell? Terrence Jones? Domantas Sabonis? Are we in a 'title or bust' position next year? Hell, maybe it's Bender. Im not saying DONT draft a PF, especially if you (Suns FO) thinks they are BPA. My comment simply has to do with acquiring somebody who is good, who happens to be the same 'position' as somebody we already have. I would apply the same logic to free agency or trades.

[NavLDO]

I'd agree with your logic if the world was scheduled to end after this next season. But since that's hopefully not happening, it makes more sense to add talent than it does to simply fill a position. It's not like that position can't be addressed next year or the year after. And this is especially true with our 4th pick because none of them look to be PF's that can step in and fill the position right away, these guys all seem to be projects. If the front office believes it has clearly determined the best player, that has to be our pick IMO.

Got it. Can you then please tell me who we play at PF this season? That's the question not a single person has answered for me. You tell me who we start at PF, and I'll be on the BPA train.

Does it really matter? The draft doesn't make up an entire offseason? This team can address that in free agency, if need be. Trade's, etc.

What PFs are available that are 'starter-level' that will want to sign for a 25 win team? Not many, and we've seen Mcd isn't the best at getting value in trades, other than for future picks, which do not play for us this season.

I get you feel Hield is BPA; I think he's not, too much inconsistency and nothing special on D, so you and I will never agree on which direction to take.

[Phnxsports]

That goes both ways my friend. Bender can push the ball and pass. Chris cannot initiate offense, but I do see some Amare style offense in him (Chriss) in the Pick N Roll and Pick and Pop, but he can't put it on the floor like Amare.

Both players could be special, but I just like Bender's game more because it is conducive to today's game more than Chriss.

I totally understand where you are coming from JMAC. I admit I have not been Bender fan since day one. I've tried to see what everyone else sees in him. I really have.

I suppose my preference is to have a power presence to accompany the shooting capabilities in my PF and I don't see any power game at all in Bender. Bender does run like a gazelle for a 7 footer and is the superior passer for sure, but Chriss can run the floor just as well. The difference is Bender can run with the ball and Chriss probably cant.

But the way I see it, based on the Suns current makeup, I see a lot more value in getting the ball in Bledsoe/Knights hands running the break and let Chriss run the floor with them as an amazing finisher opposed to Bender running the fast break and being the facilitator taking the ball out of Bledsoe/Knights hands.

There are also a lot more half court sets the team will face as opposed to fast break points/opportunities that Bender can excel in. Chriss would excel much more in half court in my opinion.

Well you know me, if we draft Chriss, I will envision him in the mold you sold If Mc'D picks him over Bender then I would think that he feels as you do. I wouldn't have a problem with Chriss.

I think Bender would be better in half court sets than Chriss because he can put the ball on the floor. Bender can pick and pop and pick and roll, but also attack on the close out and pass. I just see Chriss shooting or dunking, but when a team rotates effectively he might get stuck. IMO

In the end no one should probably listen to anything I have to say. Last year I wanted Portis.

[Zelaznyrules]

Got it. Can you then please tell me who we play at PF this season? That's the question not a single person has answered for me. You tell me who we start at PF, and I'll be on the BPA train.

Does it really matter? The draft doesn't make up an entire offseason? This team can address that in free agency, if need be. Trade's, etc.

What PFs are available that are 'starter-level' that will want to sign for a 25 win team? Not many, and we've seen Mcd isn't the best at getting value in trades, other than for future picks, which do not play for us this season.

I get you feel Hield is BPA; I think he's not, too much inconsistency and nothing special on D, so you and I will never agree on which direction to take.

By this I assume you're making a point again about him having one great season in a 4 year career? If so, I'd say you might be making too much of it. You always have to worry about the one year wonders but he doesn't really fit that mold IMO. He was a raw but promising frosh and he's improved consistently each season (PER from 15 to 20 to 23 to 28). If he was a man amongst boys out there and his rise to excellence came more from physical maturity than game development, I'd be very wary of him. Instead, he is a skill player and all he's guilty of is working his butt off to develop those skills.

[bwgood77]

I'd agree with your logic if the world was scheduled to end after this next season. But since that's hopefully not happening, it makes more sense to add talent than it does to simply fill a position. It's not like that position can't be addressed next year or the year after. And this is especially true with our 4th pick because none of them look to be PF's that can step in and fill the position right away, these guys all seem to be projects. If the front office believes it has clearly determined the best player, that has to be our pick IMO.

Got it. Can you then please tell me who we play at PF this season? That's the question not a single person has answered for me. You tell me who we start at PF, and I'll be on the BPA train.

Len? Teletovic? Tucker? Dwight Powell? Terrence Jones? Domantas Sabonis? Are we in a 'title or bust' position next year? Hell, maybe it's Bender. Im not saying DONT draft a PF, especially if you (Suns FO) thinks they are BPA. My comment simply has to do with acquiring somebody who is good, who happens to be the same 'position' as somebody we already have. I would apply the same logic to free agency or trades.

Since everyone always brings up BPA, how do you define that? McDs gut on: Best player now? Best player in the long run? Best player for the next 9 years?

What if he has tiers where he thinks a tier of guys all rank around the same. Then what would you do? Think about things like team fit, needs, character, bbiq, etc?

[Zelaznyrules]

Got it. Can you then please tell me who we play at PF this season? That's the question not a single person has answered for me. You tell me who we start at PF, and I'll be on the BPA train.

Len? Teletovic? Tucker? Dwight Powell? Terrence Jones? Domantas Sabonis? Are we in a 'title or bust' position next year? Hell, maybe it's Bender. Im not saying DONT draft a PF, especially if you (Suns FO) thinks they are BPA. My comment simply has to do with acquiring somebody who is good, who happens to be the same 'position' as somebody we already have. I would apply the same logic to free agency or trades.

Since everyone always brings up BPA, how do you define that? McDs gut on: Best player now? Best player in the long run? Best player for the next 9 years?

What if he has tiers where he thinks a tier of guys all rank around the same. Then what would you do? Think about things like team fit, needs, character, bbiq, etc?

I agree that BPA is a nebulous concept that's why I said if they've clearly determined BPA. It has to mean, where do you see him for the bulk of his career otherwise no one would ever draft a 19 year old. And therein lies the problem. But it didn't take a lot of guesswork to see that Kobe and Garnett were going to become great even though there were clearly better players available in the draft than either of them.

[Waylay13]

I'd agree with your logic if the world was scheduled to end after this next season. But since that's hopefully not happening, it makes more sense to add talent than it does to simply fill a position. It's not like that position can't be addressed next year or the year after. And this is especially true with our 4th pick because none of them look to be PF's that can step in and fill the position right away, these guys all seem to be projects. If the front office believes it has clearly determined the best player, that has to be our pick IMO.

The only problem with this viewpoint is when the BPA isn't really going to add more to your team then the need player. Everyone thinks of Jordan and Dexter but we are not talking about super-star players here, we aren't even talking about all stars. This draft is projects as having two all star type players and a bunch of role players. Hield and Murray will likely be good players if they are given time to play but both them are not the player that Booker is and knight is still better them and I think I would still take Bogdanovic over both them. So why would you add a player that is below the talent level you have for not only your starter but the two guys behind him? when you need a player to fill in for the power forward spot?

[Zelaznyrules]

I'd agree with your logic if the world was scheduled to end after this next season. But since that's hopefully not happening, it makes more sense to add talent than it does to simply fill a position. It's not like that position can't be addressed next year or the year after. And this is especially true with our 4th pick because none of them look to be PF's that can step in and fill the position right away, these guys all seem to be projects. If the front office believes it has clearly determined the best player, that has to be our pick IMO.

The only problem with this viewpoint is when the BPA isn't really going to add more to your team then the need player. Everyone thinks of Jordan and Dexter but we are not talking about super-star players here, we aren't even talking about all stars. This draft is projects as having two all star type players and a bunch of role players. Hield and Murray will likely be good players if they are given time to play but both them are not the player that Booker is and knight is still better them and I think I would still take Bogdanovic over both them. So why would you add a player that is below the talent level you have for not only your starter but the two guys behind him? when you need a player to fill in for the power forward spot?

According to who? I'm no expert by any means but I've followed college and the pros all my life and I've yet to see a single draft that had 2 stars and nothing but role players and I'm confident we won't see one this season. This class appears to lack identifiable superstars but there are plenty of starter caliber prospects and borderline stars in this draft in addition to the normal contingent of role players.

But if it turns out that the best player available isn't good enough to fill a role on our team, then yeah, might as well draft for need. I don't see that as a real possibility but I could easily imagine it coming down to the difference between 2 players being so negligible that we draft for need instead of taking the marginally better prospect. That's why I keep saying "if we've clearly determined the BPA". And I'm confident that there will be at least 15 players taken in this draft that are arguably better than Knight and probably better than Bogdanovic although the latter is pure guesswork on my part.