Lakers 2016 NBA draft #2 pick discussion

[jay51024]

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[iamworthy]

Cooney: Scouting report on Brandon Ingram

Ingram's footwork and outside shooting ability could be directly related to him having been 6-2 as a freshman in high school. Guard skills are what he possessed before his body shot up eight inches in four years. He is terrific at getting his feet set on catch-and-shoots, rarely needing little hop-steps to get himself set. That is pretty impressive for someone that size. His release is high, his form fluid. He can get up on his jumpers when he has to, but when he has time his shot seems to require little effort and doesn't take long to get off.

The biggest issue is strength: a lack of it hurts him at both ends of the court. College basketball is much different than the pro level. In college, hand checks and body contact are called much more closely than in the NBA. Having space offensively was a huge advantage for Ingram in college, but that won't be the case in the NBA. Contact in the NBA goes uncalled much like holding in the NFL. Ingram will be subject to much more banging in the pros and that probably won't bode too well for him.

Should the Sixers go with Ingram, many see him as a better fit than Simmons. Ingram would immediately give them an outside scoring threat, an area where the team is sorely lacking. Plus, Ingram's upside appears to be more positive than Simmons'. Could it be that the team envisions Ingram being a better pro than Simmons in three, four or five years?

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20160615_Cooney__Scouting_report_on_Brandon_Ingram.html

[Spens1]

Cooney: Scouting report on Brandon Ingram

Ingram's footwork and outside shooting ability could be directly related to him having been 6-2 as a freshman in high school. Guard skills are what he possessed before his body shot up eight inches in four years. He is terrific at getting his feet set on catch-and-shoots, rarely needing little hop-steps to get himself set. That is pretty impressive for someone that size. His release is high, his form fluid. He can get up on his jumpers when he has to, but when he has time his shot seems to require little effort and doesn't take long to get off.

The biggest issue is strength: a lack of it hurts him at both ends of the court. College basketball is much different than the pro level. In college, hand checks and body contact are called much more closely than in the NBA. Having space offensively was a huge advantage for Ingram in college, but that won't be the case in the NBA. Contact in the NBA goes uncalled much like holding in the NFL. Ingram will be subject to much more banging in the pros and that probably won't bode too well for him.

Should the Sixers go with Ingram, many see him as a better fit than Simmons. Ingram would immediately give them an outside scoring threat, an area where the team is sorely lacking. Plus, Ingram's upside appears to be more positive than Simmons'. Could it be that the team envisions Ingram being a better pro than Simmons in three, four or five years?

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20160615_Cooney__Scouting_report_on_Brandon_Ingram.html

This would make sense for Philly since they need a proper S.F (maybe even S.G since he could realistically play there, he would be a really tall S.G and he has the quickness for S.G) but i can't see them passing on the talent that is Simmons, i mean if they do i mean then damn, we get the best overall talent in the draft but it means sending said player into training camp immediately to shoot around 2000 jumpers a day.

[AcecardZ]

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That's very darn impressive!!!

I hope we get this kid and I really hope his body holds up.

[PKABOOICU]

Im going to the NBA Draft! It won't be as fun as last year but its a really cool experience

[iamworthy]

Jonathan givony kinda went in on Ben Simmons on the max and Marcellus show. He's not very happy on Ben pretty much not wanting to do anything before getting drafted.

I wonder why there's so much outrage with Simmons when Towns did the same thing last year. Its upto Ingram and the rest of the field to catch up to Simmons for the #1 pick, otherwise Simmons is very happy with the status quo.

KAT worked out for the wolves. But yeah, Ben can only go downhill if he works out for anyone. It's up to the Sixers to push the envelop if they want to see what they're getting.

[iamworthy]

Jonathan Givony talk about Ben Simmons on Colin Cowherd on last month

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ben-Simmons-61928/

[iamworthy]

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[magicbesteva]

I know most people think Simmons is doing the smart thing in not working out for anyone because he has nothing to lose. But it just feels like he's quietly trying to force his way to the Lakers.

[trevm37]

Its the opposite, Simmons knows he's going to Philly. Brett Brown coached his dad and has known him his whole life, and I believe Bryan C is very familiar with the family as well.

[crazyeights]

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Aite.

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[TyCobb]

I see you Simmons camp.

[miggs]

Would love to find a trade for Lou Williams with a team picking in the 20s.

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Zizic would be better imo but you know I wouldn't mind Zubac. With proper development, there are 5 to 6 centers who can be Capela/Ezeli/Jokic impactful bigs after 2 years of experience.

[miggs]

Scouting reports are well known by now to the Sixers and Lakers as are interviews so im guessing Philly will go with Simmons unless Ingram crushed the Sixers workout and impressed them more than Simmons' tapes

I don't see it though, Simmons will be #1 and we'll go with Ingram because if we don't want him, in the end he's a better asset than finding the player you want and taking him early at 2. The only can't miss prospects I see in this draft in the lottery other than Simmons or Ingram are Jaylen, Skal and Bender.

However, trading the #2 pick Ingram, would yield a much better return than simply drafting the plyr you want at 2 so you take Ingram and if you don't want him, there are PLENTY of teams who do, it could easily start a bidding war.

[jigga_man]

Jonathan givony kinda went in on Ben Simmons on the max and Marcellus show. He's not very happy on Ben pretty much not wanting to do anything before getting drafted.

I wonder why there's so much outrage with Simmons when Towns did the same thing last year. Its upto Ingram and the rest of the field to catch up to Simmons for the #1 pick, otherwise Simmons is very happy with the status quo.

KAT worked out for the wolves. But yeah, Ben can only go downhill if he works out for anyone. It's up to the Sixers to push the envelop if they want to see what they're getting.

Not to mention John Wall working out for Washington in 2010 & Anthony Davis working out for New Orleans in 2012. Simmons is not anymore of a consensus to be drafted #1 than those guys. It's actually quite unusual for a player to be favored to go #1 not even do an interview with the team selecting with the top pick.

Its as if Simmons doesn't want to go to Philly but won't say due to the PR backlash & confirmation of his reputation (warranted or not) of being a 'diva' of sorts.

EDIT: Anthony Davis met with New Orleans for a pre-draft workout but didn't do anything physical.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/story/2012-06-19/Anthony-Davis-visits-New-Orleans/55695838/1

[miggs]

Simmons is trying to reach LA by avoiding any workouts with either squad. Just a game of chess that Simmons' camp has a very little shot of winning and no way of helping increase thwir chances of Simmons going #2

[crazyeights]

If I could have the chance to go to my favorite team I'd pull all the stops too. These kids are locked in for the next what? 8 years? That's a huge deal. This is the only time until he's in his prime that he'll have any leverage.

[Pointgod]

Lol again you guys are over thinking this. No reason for Simmons to work out when he's the concensus number 1 pick. Why risk losing money with a poor workout? If he wanted to force his way to the Lakers he'd just tell Philly not to draft him.

[miggs]

I think because rookie deals won't be seeing the huge salary increases that maybe it'll mean we'll see more young guys taking the risky qualifying offer so they can become UFA and gain back leverage sooner than after their 2nd contract.

[miggs]

Lol again you guys are over thinking this. No reason for Simmons to work out when he's the concensus number 1 pick. Why risk losing money with a poor workout? If he wanted to force his way to the Lakers he'd just tell Philly not to draft him.

Lol again with this Simmons can avoid Philly talk. If he told Philly not to draft him, what makes you think Philly would select anyone but Simmons if that's who they want?