Would you move Dre for this Boston package?

[Laimbeer]

From the trade forum...

#3
#16
#23
2017 BKN 1st
2018 BKN 1st
2019 MEM 1st (or whenever conveyed)
Marcus Smart

Optional (i.e., can add to the above package -- if so, please include in your response):
Kelly Olynyk
Avery Bradley
Jordan Mickey
James Young
Amir Johnson
Jonas Jerebko

[detroitKG]

I may be in the minority here but I say no and only because this would be a step back in terms of what we have going on now with this team...if this was like 2-3 years ago hell yea.

[whitehops]

if we were a rebuilding team i would take that trade in a heartbeat.

but we're not and dre is a huge part of our team. even if you replace him with a bunch of talented young players i doubt that we would be able to find a player like dre.

personally i think boston should trade #3 and #16 (plus filler if necessary) to chicago for jimmy butler. they get a great player that is still fairly young and locked up but will make them better immediately while chicago gets to kickstart their rebuild by having the #3, 14, and 16 picks in this draft to go with a boatload of money to spend next offseason.

[mattao313]

For all the picks? Potentially all these pick could be in the lottery...I would do it they can keep Smart too.

[Kilo]

In a heartbeat. Would want Olynyk in there though. It's a weaker draft, but I like the future BKN picks. And Memphis is about to crash as well so that pick could be lotto.

Boston would never do this though. It's a Herschel Walker-esque bamboozle.

FWIW Amir is a UFA.

[MrBigShot]

In this league top tier talent is everything. Trading quality for quantity is a good way to get stuck in the lottery...later on in the draft it becomes a crapshoot where you take unproven talent who may or may not pan out. You can't just pile on picks and hope you strike gold eventually. The highest value pick in that lot is #3, and this draft has a very significant drop off after Ingram & Simmons.

If you are involving an all star & all nba team member in a trade you need to get a more talented player in return. I'd deal him for a guy like Karl Anthony Towns, for example (though the TWolves wouldn't)

[RexRyan]

As much as I wanted to say easy no, I said no but tempting. SIX first round picks? Plus Brooklyn's going to suck and Memphis might be headed that way too.

The thing is that if we did that trade, we then become Boston - a 40-45 win team with a bunch of picks that's looking for an All-Star. Might as well keep the one we have.

[mattao313]

We could then package #3 and Reggie for something.

[coordinator0]

In a heartbeat. Would want Olynyk in there though. It's a weaker draft, but I like the future BKN picks. And Memphis is about to crash as well so that pick could be lotto.

Boston would never do this though. It's a Herschel Walker-esque bamboozle.

FWIW Amir is a UFA.

He's not. Johnson's contract is unguaranteed for next season but I'm pretty sure Boston hasn't made an official decision on it either way yet.

[RexRyan]

Lambs, you should throw this up on Boston's board. I'd bet that half the people would say that it's too many picks, and the other half wants Drummond back in the northeast. Hence, good trade.

[DocRI]

I was actually gonna reply on the T&T Board, but I'll do it here instead — nope.

And this isn't Dre-fueled homerism; its what detroitKG wrote. We're on the upswing, so there's no reason to take a step backwards no matter how tempting the rebuild package may be. It's an easy yes if we'd plateaued or regressed, but why undo the progress we've made to try to remake that progress over the next few years?

Look, that BOS package is basically worth anybody in the league, but you've got to find a "seller" in order to do business as a "buyer." For example, that package is clearly worth Dre from us, Lillard from POR, Towns from MIN, hell even Davis from NOLA, but there's NO REASON for any of those teams to completely hit the reset button like that.

Someone on the T&T Board mentioned Westbrook (IF and only if Durant leaves), and that's the kind of situation I think BOS needs to look for. Another name I'd throw out is James Harden, because Morey will never get a better return than that if he decides that Rockets team has peaked.

We made what, a 12 game improvement last season and played at a plus-50-win-pace after the Tobias deal? We don't have to tear it down to the studs anymore; rather, we need to keep improving upon our house and renovate it into a mansion. In other words, in SVG we must trust.

[Warspite]

In a heartbeat. Would want Olynyk in there though. It's a weaker draft, but I like the future BKN picks. And Memphis is about to crash as well so that pick could be lotto.

Boston would never do this though. It's a Herschel Walker-esque bamboozle.

FWIW Amir is a UFA.

Yeah I would want Olynyk as well. The question to ask is if the fan base is willing to wait another 3-5 yrs to make the playoffs.

[Blkbrd671]

I'd say yes, but i think we'd add a third team to take on the picks while we get a ready now player.

[Snakebites]

I'd say yes, but i think we'd add a third team to take on the picks while we get a ready now player.

WHich means you actually wouldn't do this deal, but there are certain win-now packages you'd trade Dre for. The picks are the fundamental part of the deal.

I'm torn. On one hand that 2017 pick could net us a PLAYER. That draft is looking very strong and the Nets, well, they aren't.

I also think that package is worth Dre- easily. Its like trading a dollar for 5 quarters, which is the only way you consider a deal in which you give up the biggest piece.

On the other hand, its a tough sell from a team-direction perspective. We just made a major jump to 44 wins with the potential to continue development, and this trade in effect sends us back where we were before.

I say no, we need to keep moving forward. Dealing Dre for not much that'll help us next year would demoralize our young core and make it hard to bounce back. Guess that puts me in the "no, but I'd be extremely tempted" category.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Celtics fans dislike this deal too. That's a ton to give up in one trade for one player.

[dVs33]

I don't think the value is bad, I just think at this stage we need to pick a direction. Right now SVG has a collection of young players that are good enough for playoffs and have room to grow. The moves we should be looking at is adding some vet depth to solidify the roster. Dre still has more development to go but we know his floor. Trading him for picks would just give us a whole bunch of maybes and we'd be back to the beginning.

[joseph mamah]

Im pretty sure the 2017 pick isnt an outright pick, just a right to swap. if the Pistons fall back into the lottery themselves there might not be much value to be had there. And the 2018 pick is a crapshoot.I think id have to pass, unless theres a center worth going after in free agency.

Edit- the more I think about it, I guess it wouldnt be the Pistons pick being swapped it would be the Celtics. I think id still rather just roll with what we got.

[Blkbrd671]

I'd say yes, but i think we'd add a third team to take on the picks while we get a ready now player.

WHich means you actually wouldn't do this deal, but there are certain win-now packages you'd trade Dre for. The picks are the fundamental part of the deal.

I'm torn. On one hand that 2017 pick could net us a PLAYER. That draft is looking very strong and the Nets, well, they aren't.

I also think that package is worth Dre- easily. Its like trading a dollar for 5 quarters, which is the only way you consider a deal in which you give up the biggest piece.

On the other hand, its a tough sell from a team-direction perspective. We just made a major jump to 44 wins with the potential to continue development, and this trade in effect sends us back where we were before.

I say no, we need to keep moving forward. Dealing Dre for not much that'll help us next year would demoralize our young core and make it hard to bounce back. Guess that puts me in the "no, but I'd be extremely tempted" category.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Celtics fans dislike this deal too. That's a ton to give up in one trade for one player.

With the way the league has been trending away from big centers and more towards small lineups. I am a little more inclined to say yes particularly with Dre's FT shooting woes, however when you put it in the perspective that the only thing that separates us from every other team in the east is Dre , its a big risk.

[Snakebites]

Im pretty sure the 2017 pick isnt an outright pick, just a right to swap. if the Pistons fall back into the lottery themselves there might not be much value to be had there. And the 2018 pick is a crapshoot.I think id have to pass, unless theres a center worth going after in free agency.

Edit- the more I think about it, I guess it wouldnt be the Pistons pick being swapped it would be the Celtics. I think id still rather just roll with what we got.

Ah good, saved me the trouble of correcting you on this point.

The right to swap cannot be traded because it would alter the terms of the deal the Nets originally agreed to. Imagine how pissed the Nets would be if the right to swap was traded to the Warriors. I'm sure they wouldn't mind the right to swap being traded to us without Drummond, but we'd never agree to that and it would most likely still be against the rules even if the Nets agreed to it.

This deal could actually get us two lottery picks in a very impressive draft, but one would come by virtue of us being significantly worse. Again, its very tempting, but I think moving backwards like that would be devastating to the team. Guys like Reggie and Tobias could lose heart. Guys like Morris could become malcontents. Deals aren't always only about value.

[Montanabadboy]

I said no, and it's really not that tempting. All those draft picks are a total crap shoot. Other than this year's picks we don't even know where the rest of those picks would be. I don't even know who we would take at #3. I guess I'll have to consult our big board for that answer. But if it's not a slam dunk, I know exactly who I want at 3, situation then I wouldn't do it. Plus, I'm so sick of rebuilding, all those picks would be nice, and I love the draft, so that would be like Christmas for me, but we're finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel and I don't want to go backwards. So, that's a pretty easy no for me.

[tmorgan]

Umm, I love Dre, and I love what we're building here, but he's about to become ultra-expensive. SVG and Bowers have been able to do wonders with our cap space in trades, and all those picks would be well-used.

Gotta do it. With reservations, but I'm cold-heartedly rational.