Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

[nate33]

My ideal and only slightly unrealistic offseason.

1. Trade C Marcin Gortat to the Boston Celtics for F Amir Johnson (non-guaranteed contract) & the 16th & 35th picks in the 2016 Draft. Boston has 8 picks so they'll be looking to deal some for sure.

2. Draft G Denzel Valentine & C Chinanu Onuaku (availability based on DraftExpress Mock)

3. Sign unrestricted free agent C Hassan Whiteside to a 4 year deal starting a little over $17 million per. (approx. 4yr - $90 million)

4. Sign former 2nd round pick G Tomas Satoransky to a 4 year deal starting at $6 million (approx. 4 yr - $30 million)

5. Sign unrestricted free agent G Seth Curry to a 4 year deal starting at $4 million (approx. 4 yr - $22 million)

6. Using MLE for teams under the cap, sign free agent C Cole Aldrich to a 4 year deal starting at $2.7 mil (approx. 4 yr - $15 million)

7. Using the current cap hold, sign G Garrett Temple to a 3 year deal starting at $3 million (approx. 3 yr - $12 million)

8. Re-sign G/F Alan Anderson to one year deal at veteran minimum salary.

New roster:

PF Markieff Morris / Amir Johnson
SF Otto Porter Jr. / Kelly Oubre Jr. / Alan Anderson
CE Hassan Whiteside / Cole Aldrich / Chinanu Onuaku
SG Bradley Beal / Denzel Valentine / Garrett Temple
PG John Wall / Tomas Satoransky / Seth Curry

Not 100% sure if we have the cap room to pull off all the moves. I would possibly look at waving Amir Johnson and re-sign him for a lower figure if necessary but I like him as quality depth behind Markieff. I think Amir is actually the better player.

I'm also big on adding guard depth with Wall coming back from surgery on both knees & Beal's injury history.

I was thinking about this plan last night.

The fundamental problem is that any decisions on trading Gortat for draft picks would have to take place on draft day. And we won't know on draft day what our chances are of acquiring Whiteside or Horford (or even Biyombo). Indeed, we may not even be 100% certain that the KD2DC dream is dead. I just don't see any possibility that EG would risk unloading Gortat without certainty on those fronts. The risk is too high that the team would be left with no center, and EG can't afford another losing season or he'll be fired.

Other than that, I like the plan. I definitely like Curry and Aldrich as low cost depth.

[LyricalRico]

Kevin Love for Carmelo Anthony rumor is apparently making the rounds again (at least in my office). I don't think Love would fit with Porzingis, but NY does need help in the backcourt. Melo's probably not a great in fit in Cleveland either, but assuming the Cavs want to do it I think we could insert ourselves - Love to DC, Beal S&T to NY, and Melo to CLE.

[Dat2U]

My ideal and only slightly unrealistic offseason.

1. Trade C Marcin Gortat to the Boston Celtics for F Amir Johnson (non-guaranteed contract) & the 16th & 35th picks in the 2016 Draft. Boston has 8 picks so they'll be looking to deal some for sure.

2. Draft G Denzel Valentine & C Chinanu Onuaku (availability based on DraftExpress Mock)

3. Sign unrestricted free agent C Hassan Whiteside to a 4 year deal starting a little over $17 million per. (approx. 4yr - $90 million)

4. Sign former 2nd round pick G Tomas Satoransky to a 4 year deal starting at $6 million (approx. 4 yr - $30 million)

5. Sign unrestricted free agent G Seth Curry to a 4 year deal starting at $4 million (approx. 4 yr - $22 million)

6. Using MLE for teams under the cap, sign free agent C Cole Aldrich to a 4 year deal starting at $2.7 mil (approx. 4 yr - $15 million)

7. Using the current cap hold, sign G Garrett Temple to a 3 year deal starting at $3 million (approx. 3 yr - $12 million)

8. Re-sign G/F Alan Anderson to one year deal at veteran minimum salary.

New roster:

PF Markieff Morris / Amir Johnson
SF Otto Porter Jr. / Kelly Oubre Jr. / Alan Anderson
CE Hassan Whiteside / Cole Aldrich / Chinanu Onuaku
SG Bradley Beal / Denzel Valentine / Garrett Temple
PG John Wall / Tomas Satoransky / Seth Curry

Not 100% sure if we have the cap room to pull off all the moves. I would possibly look at waving Amir Johnson and re-sign him for a lower figure if necessary but I like him as quality depth behind Markieff. I think Amir is actually the better player.

I'm also big on adding guard depth with Wall coming back from surgery on both knees & Beal's injury history.

I was thinking about this plan last night.

The fundamental problem is that any decisions on trading Gortat for draft picks would have to take place on draft day. And we won't know on draft day what our chances are of acquiring Whiteside or Horford (or even Biyombo). Indeed, we may not even be 100% certain that the KD2DC dream is dead. I just don't see any possibility that EG would risk unloading Gortat without certainty on those fronts. The risk is too high that the team would be left with no center, and EG can't afford another losing season or he'll be fired.

Other than that, I like the plan. I definitely like Curry and Aldrich as low cost depth.

I'm sure you've seen the list of available free agent centers in the market. The list is quite expansive and goes beyond Whiteside, Horford or Biyombo (who would not be a target of mine - because he's a dreadful offensive player and he's likely getting as much as Whiteside is getting).

You've got Gasol, Horford, Whiteside, Sullinger, Pachulia, Mahinmi, Noah, Jefferson, Biyombo, Howard, Ezeli all looking for starting jobs.I didn't even include Duncan & Drummond who will likely stay with their respective teams. Then guys like Aldrich, Marjanovic, Nene etc. who are capable bigs off the bench.

I would feel confident you could come away with a starting quality big. Sully started for Boston last year and did quite well. He's likely going to be undervalued due to weight & injury concerns. Mahinmi was a defensive monster with the Pacers last year and due to his age, likely represents a much better value than Biyombo. Pachulia has been huge for both the Bucks & Mavs as a solid defensive big. These guys are the worst case scenario and I honestly don't think we'd lose much. Gortat has been solid but he's an average starting NBA center and is quite replaceable. Don't forget we'd acquire Amir Johnson who can play center in a pinch and has done fine there as well.

[nate33]

I'm sure you've seen the list of available free agent centers in the market. The list is quite expansive and goes beyond Whiteside, Horford or Biyombo (who would not be a target of mine - because he's a dreadful offensive player and he's likely getting as much as Whiteside is getting).

You've got Gasol, Horford, Whiteside, Sullinger, Pachulia, Mahinmi, Noah, Jefferson, Biyombo, Howard, Ezeli all looking for starting jobs.I didn't even include Duncan & Drummond who will likely stay with their respective teams. Then guys like Aldrich, Marjanovic, Nene etc. who are capable bigs off the bench.

I would feel confident you could come away with a starting quality big. Sully started for Boston last year and did quite well. He's likely going to be undervalued due to weight & injury concerns. Mahinmi was a defensive monster with the Pacers last year and due to his age, likely represents a much better value than Biyombo. Pachulia has been huge for both the Bucks & Mavs as a solid defensive big. These guys are the worst case scenario and I honestly don't think we'd lose much. Gortat has been solid but he's an average starting NBA center and is quite replaceable. Don't forget we'd acquire Amir Johnson who can play center in a pinch and has done fine there as well.

Good points.

You've convinced me. Assuming we're certain that Durant isn't coming here, we should shop Gortat on draft day for picks and younger players. With KD2DC no longer an option, our window of opportunity just shifted 2-3 years down the road, if not further. We need guys to develop alongside Wall, Beal, Porter, Morris and Oubre. There's no point in keeping any core players older than 27.

[payitforward]

I'm sure you've seen the list of available free agent centers in the market. The list is quite expansive and goes beyond Whiteside, Horford or Biyombo (who would not be a target of mine - because he's a dreadful offensive player and he's likely getting as much as Whiteside is getting).

You've got Gasol, Horford, Whiteside, Sullinger, Pachulia, Mahinmi, Noah, Jefferson, Biyombo, Howard, Ezeli all looking for starting jobs.I didn't even include Duncan & Drummond who will likely stay with their respective teams. Then guys like Aldrich, Marjanovic, Nene etc. who are capable bigs off the bench.

I would feel confident you could come away with a starting quality big. Sully started for Boston last year and did quite well. He's likely going to be undervalued due to weight & injury concerns. Mahinmi was a defensive monster with the Pacers last year and due to his age, likely represents a much better value than Biyombo. Pachulia has been huge for both the Bucks & Mavs as a solid defensive big. These guys are the worst case scenario and I honestly don't think we'd lose much. Gortat has been solid but he's an average starting NBA center and is quite replaceable. Don't forget we'd acquire Amir Johnson who can play center in a pinch and has done fine there as well.

Good points.

You've convinced me. Assuming we're certain that Durant isn't coming here, we should shop Gortat on draft day for picks and younger players. With KD2DC no longer an option, our window of opportunity just shifted 2-3 years down the road, if not further. We need guys to develop alongside Wall, Beal, Porter, Morris and Oubre. There's no point in keeping any core players older than 27.

I'd say "further" is the right word. So this move makes great sense. Even though Gortat is way way better than an average NBA Center (more like top 25%). But there's no chance of our doing anything like this, of course.

[Dat2U]

I'm sure you've seen the list of available free agent centers in the market. The list is quite expansive and goes beyond Whiteside, Horford or Biyombo (who would not be a target of mine - because he's a dreadful offensive player and he's likely getting as much as Whiteside is getting).

You've got Gasol, Horford, Whiteside, Sullinger, Pachulia, Mahinmi, Noah, Jefferson, Biyombo, Howard, Ezeli all looking for starting jobs.I didn't even include Duncan & Drummond who will likely stay with their respective teams. Then guys like Aldrich, Marjanovic, Nene etc. who are capable bigs off the bench.

I would feel confident you could come away with a starting quality big. Sully started for Boston last year and did quite well. He's likely going to be undervalued due to weight & injury concerns. Mahinmi was a defensive monster with the Pacers last year and due to his age, likely represents a much better value than Biyombo. Pachulia has been huge for both the Bucks & Mavs as a solid defensive big. These guys are the worst case scenario and I honestly don't think we'd lose much. Gortat has been solid but he's an average starting NBA center and is quite replaceable. Don't forget we'd acquire Amir Johnson who can play center in a pinch and has done fine there as well.

Good points.

You've convinced me. Assuming we're certain that Durant isn't coming here, we should shop Gortat on draft day for picks and younger players. With KD2DC no longer an option, our window of opportunity just shifted 2-3 years down the road, if not further. We need guys to develop alongside Wall, Beal, Porter, Morris and Oubre. There's no point in keeping any core players older than 27.

I'd say "further" is the right word. So this move makes great sense. Even though Gortat is way way better than an average NBA Center (more like top 25%). But there's no chance of our doing anything like this, of course.

Note I said Gortat is an average starting C, not an average C. I'd say he's in the top 25-30% of all Cs in the league so we are not far off there.

[verbal8]

Kevin Love for Carmelo Anthony rumor is apparently making the rounds again (at least in my office). I don't think Love would fit with Porzingis, but NY does need help in the backcourt. Melo's probably not a great in fit in Cleveland either, but assuming the Cavs want to do it I think we could insert ourselves - Love to DC, Beal S&T to NY, and Melo to CLE.

Not saying I want to add him, but I think Melo is about right for Beal's S&T value. I think even with his disappointing finals that Love has a lot more value than either.

Another existing contract I could see being a similar value would be Derrick Rose. I think both Melo and Rose are so connected to their franchises that they are pretty unlikely to be moved(and very unlikely to come to the Wizards). However they do make for interesting theoretical trade scenarios.

[payitforward]

Good points.

You've convinced me. Assuming we're certain that Durant isn't coming here, we should shop Gortat on draft day for picks and younger players. With KD2DC no longer an option, our window of opportunity just shifted 2-3 years down the road, if not further. We need guys to develop alongside Wall, Beal, Porter, Morris and Oubre. There's no point in keeping any core players older than 27.

I'd say "further" is the right word. So this move makes great sense. Even though Gortat is way way better than an average NBA Center (more like top 25%). But there's no chance of our doing anything like this, of course.

Note I said Gortat is an average starting C, not an average C. I'd say he's in the top 25-30% of all Cs in the league so we are not far off there.

Yup. Sloppy reading on my part. I'd say he is in the top 25% of starting Centers, and the numbers support that pretty straightforwardly, but this isn't the place to have that discussion, and anyway the better he is the more we get for him in a trade -- which makes your proposed strategy all the more valid!

[Dat2U]

Kevin Love for Carmelo Anthony rumor is apparently making the rounds again (at least in my office). I don't think Love would fit with Porzingis, but NY does need help in the backcourt. Melo's probably not a great in fit in Cleveland either, but assuming the Cavs want to do it I think we could insert ourselves - Love to DC, Beal S&T to NY, and Melo to CLE.

Not saying I want to add him, but I think Melo is about right for Beal's S&T value. I think even with his disappointing finals that Love has a lot more value than either.

Another existing contract I could see being a similar value would be Derrick Rose. I think both Melo and Rose are so connected to their franchises that they are pretty unlikely to be moved(and very unlikely to come to the Wizards). However they do make for interesting theoretical trade scenarios.

Yes on Carmelo and a hell no on Rose. Rose was brutal last year, just brutal. Arguably the worst starting veteran guard in the league IMO. He's become a jump shooter that can't shoot and can't defend. I don't see Rose as an effective player anymore. He's just a big name with a massive salary and out-sized ego.

[Dark Faze]

Kevin Love for Carmelo Anthony rumor is apparently making the rounds again (at least in my office). I don't think Love would fit with Porzingis, but NY does need help in the backcourt. Melo's probably not a great in fit in Cleveland either, but assuming the Cavs want to do it I think we could insert ourselves - Love to DC, Beal S&T to NY, and Melo to CLE.

Not saying I want to add him, but I think Melo is about right for Beal's S&T value. I think even with his disappointing finals that Love has a lot more value than either.

Another existing contract I could see being a similar value would be Derrick Rose. I think both Melo and Rose are so connected to their franchises that they are pretty unlikely to be moved(and very unlikely to come to the Wizards). However they do make for interesting theoretical trade scenarios.

no way, every team would take Melo over Love at this point--Melo is better at everything besides rebounding

[verbal8]

Kevin Love for Carmelo Anthony rumor is apparently making the rounds again (at least in my office). I don't think Love would fit with Porzingis, but NY does need help in the backcourt. Melo's probably not a great in fit in Cleveland either, but assuming the Cavs want to do it I think we could insert ourselves - Love to DC, Beal S&T to NY, and Melo to CLE.

Not saying I want to add him, but I think Melo is about right for Beal's S&T value. I think even with his disappointing finals that Love has a lot more value than either.

Another existing contract I could see being a similar value would be Derrick Rose. I think both Melo and Rose are so connected to their franchises that they are pretty unlikely to be moved(and very unlikely to come to the Wizards). However they do make for interesting theoretical trade scenarios.

no way, every team would take Melo over Love at this point--Melo is better at everything besides rebounding

Carmelo's increased "production" is due to higher minutes and usage. I could buy an argument of ability to play defense could help Anthony close the gap, however he hasn't demonstrated it very consistently while using a lot of offensive possessions.
IMO age is what makes Love a lot more valuable. With Kevin Love it is pretty likely he will "earn" the rest of his contract, most decline should be offset by the rising cap. Carmelo however seems riskier in his mid 30s. Also the no-trade clause limits his trade value - since he has to agree to the destination.

[Dark Faze]

Love has lost a lot value as the era has moved on. You can get speedy versatile PF's now that can shoot the three respectably. Love is not worth the money.

[jangles86]

I would not be upset if we traded away Otto Porter for a top 10 pick and got one of Chriss, Bender or poetell, all of whom I see being a far better prospect then Otto and all being a far greater need to us with Nene leaving, Morris uncertain future, Gortat on the decline.

Oubre, Anderson and signing of another Wing will be plenty of cover.

We have neglected our big man department for far to long in drafts and this draft have a few that have quality potential.

[payitforward]

I would not be upset if we traded away Otto Porter for a top 10 pick and got one of Chriss, Bender or poetell, all of whom I see being a far better prospect then Otto and all being a far greater need to us with Nene leaving, Morris uncertain future, Gortat on the decline.

Oubre, Anderson and signing of another Wing will be plenty of cover.

We have neglected our big man department for far to long in drafts and this draft have a few that have quality potential.

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I agree that there are some interesting bigs in this draft. The idea of trading Porter -- who is proving to be a terrific young player -- for a pick makes no sense whatever to me.

[dangermouse]

How likely could a Gortat for Whiteside S&T be? Would we need to sweeten the pot?

I guess with Ernie at the helm it is unlikely. But that aside... I can see the advantages for the Heat if they are unwilling to pay Whiteside. They get quite a good veteran starting C to replace him with a cheaper contract.

I'm against moving Beal for Love. Well, actually I'm 50/50 on it. Im not opposed to moving Beal per se, but Love seems more of a big name player than a big game player these days. And even when he was beasting, Minny sucked.

I think we can do better at PF with a Beal trade, or simply with cap space. Assuming the above Whiteside for Gortat swap happened, how much would we have left to play with? Would we be able to match any offers for Beal and find a decent starting PF?

[dangermouse]

I should note that a front court of Whiteside and Morris scares me due to maturity issues. If Whiteside is coming, i feel we need to bring in a veteran PF.

Editing to add:

Apparently the Buckaroos are shopping Greg Monroe. Any interest? I'm more concerned with how he fits here more than what we would offer, which shouldnt be much.

$16 mil per is a lot to pay for a backup center (he wouldnt start over Gortat). I feel like re-signing Nene would be the better option, similar production, better defense, although the tires have a hell of a lot more wear.

[realEAST]

Hi, Bulls fan here. Would like to ask how you value Porter? What would be an outline for a deal? Would something like Portis+ McDermott+ #48 be enough to interest you?

[montestewart]

Hi, Bulls fan here. Would like to ask how you value Porter? What would be an outline for a deal? Would something like Portis+ McDermott+ #48 be enough to interest you?

Not on its face a horrible value, and because the Wizards have so many holes, that looks somewhat appealing initially. Taking into account the uncertainty of future development, that looks more like a lateral move that loses the best player in the deal and leaves a hole at SF. If the Wizards (somehow!) manage to sign KD or some other dynamic wing/frontcourt scorer, it might look better from this end.

[Ruzious]

I'm sure you've seen the list of available free agent centers in the market. The list is quite expansive and goes beyond Whiteside, Horford or Biyombo (who would not be a target of mine - because he's a dreadful offensive player and he's likely getting as much as Whiteside is getting).

You've got Gasol, Horford, Whiteside, Sullinger, Pachulia, Mahinmi, Noah, Jefferson, Biyombo, Howard, Ezeli all looking for starting jobs.I didn't even include Duncan & Drummond who will likely stay with their respective teams. Then guys like Aldrich, Marjanovic, Nene etc. who are capable bigs off the bench.

I would feel confident you could come away with a starting quality big. Sully started for Boston last year and did quite well. He's likely going to be undervalued due to weight & injury concerns. Mahinmi was a defensive monster with the Pacers last year and due to his age, likely represents a much better value than Biyombo. Pachulia has been huge for both the Bucks & Mavs as a solid defensive big. These guys are the worst case scenario and I honestly don't think we'd lose much. Gortat has been solid but he's an average starting NBA center and is quite replaceable. Don't forget we'd acquire Amir Johnson who can play center in a pinch and has done fine there as well.

What Sullinger needs to do is sign up with a highly respected trainer and convince people he's going to spend the entire offseason getting in shape. Boston fans are very skeptical.

Mahinmi's an interesting case. He was a below-average BACKUP center before last season, but last season, he made dramatic improvements at age 28. He still wasn't Gortat quality, and I have no idea if he can build on that or if that's as good as he's going to get. He's a terrific athlete, so that bodes well. Maybe it was more teams going to small-ball that helped him.

Pachulia's an over-achiever and nowhere near the athlete Mahinmi is, and you gotta wonder how much he has left. Amir seems to be going downhill. I'd pass on both. I hadn't thought about Noah, but if he can get his health back, he's a great competitor. I just don't know if he's going to return to his old form. Reunite Horford and Noah in DC?

[realEAST]

Hi, Bulls fan here. Would like to ask how you value Porter? What would be an outline for a deal? Would something like Portis+ McDermott+ #48 be enough to interest you?

Not on its face a horrible value, and because the Wizards have so many holes, that looks somewhat appealing initially. Taking into account the uncertainty of future development, that looks more like a lateral move that loses the best player in the deal and leaves a hole at SF. If the Wizards (somehow!) manage to sign KD or some other dynamic wing/frontcourt scorer, it might look better from this end.

I taugh of it as the way you solidify your rotation with three talented guys, who can eventually (at least McD and Portis) challenge for starting role in couple of seasons.
Also, you add three mills to cap space, which after renouncing Gooden and J. Eddie amounts to 33 mil; which then makes it possible to think about adding Whiteside or and Bazemore in best of scenarios IMO.

You could line up something like
Wall-Beal-Bazemore-Morris-Whiteside
Felder (#48)-Oubre-McDermott-Portis-Gortat

Of course, we would welcome Porter on our side