Would you pull the trigger on the Super Team?

GooseDiddy · Post #1 » by **GooseDiddy** » Thu May 12, 2016 7:17 pm

Call it stupid, call it unrealistic, but it is at least possible.
-Pierce retires
-Carmello waives his no trade clause and gets dealt for Blake Griffin
-LeBron and Wade sign with the Clips

The decision you have to make is would you trade Blake Griffin for Carmello Anthony at this point in their careers?

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nickhx2 · Post #2 » by **nickhx2** » Thu May 12, 2016 7:47 pm

only possible if lebron and wade wanna sign for some form of cap exceptions, ranging from vet. min to MLE.

since you didn't say them signing hinged on carmelo coming over, no. i'd rather just sign lebron/wade for the MLE/BAE and keep blake.

Post #3 » by **og15** » Thu May 12, 2016 7:54 pm

GooseDiddy wrote:Call it stupid, call it unrealistic, but it is at least possible.
-Pierce retires
-Carmello waives his no trade clause and gets dealt for Blake Griffin
-LeBron and Wade sign with the Clips

The decision you have to make is would you trade Blake Griffin for Carmello Anthony at this point in their careers?

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How? Clippers don't have cap space to do that.

Roscoe Sheed · Post #4 » by **Roscoe Sheed** » Thu May 12, 2016 8:14 pm

If it were possible. Yes, I would do it. The team would lack some shooting but I think they'd be very dangerous. However, as mentioned- due to cap reasons this is basically impossible

MartinToVaught · Post #5 » by **MartinToVaught** » Fri May 13, 2016 1:36 am

As long as we're dreaming here, a team built around Blake and LeBron would be way more fun to watch than the one in the OP. Two bigs with crazy athleticism and guard skills would be almost impossible for opposing defenses to guard, especially if they're surrounded by three-and-D guys.

Post #6 » by **og15** » Fri May 13, 2016 5:58 am

MartinToVaught wrote:As long as we're dreaming here, a team built around Blake and LeBron would be way more fun to watch than the one in the OP. Two bigs with crazy athleticism and guard skills would be almost impossible for opposing defenses to guard, especially if they're surrounded by three-and-D guys.

While interesting, Lebron and Griffin are not the best natural pairing. I always say that as a team you don't want to just have one playmaker, and I stand by that, so I don't buy into the idea of "redundancy" in playmaking, I want that, I want more than one guy that can create. On the other hand, there is a reality of player pairings in terms of spots on the floor and the way they attack.

A lot of what Lebron does will relegate Griffin to spotting up, cutting and going for offensive rebounds while watching Lebron. What's great about the CP pairing with Blake as a heavy ball handler is that CP loves to run a lot of pick and rolls, and him and Blake will run multiple pick and rolls with each other at times in a possesion. This keeps Blake consistently invovled. Lebron doesn't play in that same manner, not that he can't run pick and rolls, but he's not as heavy a user of them.

Then defensively, Blake needs a rim protecting big man next to him because he can't do that. He's no Bosh, he doesn't have that length, so that limits you in the spacing lineups you can use. Ideally you'd want a C who can shoot but can also protect the rim and that leaves you with a very small crop of players, very small. You'll win of course because Lebron is great, and Blake is very good finisher, but they are not the best natural pairing, despite both being very skilled.

One could likely see Blake being more of a 19-21 ppg / 3 apg guy next to Lebron as opposed to the current 22-23 ppg / 5 apg guy. It's easier for another perimeter player (Wade, Irving) to get their's next to Lebron, but for a guy like Blake, it would be a little bit more difficult.

Anyways, just entertaining the fantasy discussion. For example if Lebron had somehow found his way to the Clippers a couple of years ago ( though I believe Lebron was not interested in going to the West and give himself that trouble). If it had happened, I believe Griffin developing into more of a playmaker/ball handler and the transition into CP giving him the ball as ball handler and trusting him would not have happened with Lebron on his team.

GooseDiddy · Post #7 » by **GooseDiddy** » Fri May 13, 2016 3:58 pm

nickhx2 wrote:only possible if lebron and wade wanna sign for some form of cap exceptions, ranging from vet. min to MLE.

since you didn't say them signing hinged on carmelo coming over, no. i'd rather just sign lebron/wade for the MLE/BAE and keep blake.

You're right, I didn't specify that Carmelo would be the prerequisite for LeBron signing, but for the sake of this he is.

Bron has publicly said he'd like CP, Melo and Wade to all be on one team with him before he retires.

As for cap space, you can always make cap space by dealing good contracts away. It's the bad contracts that are hard to unload. You could probably find a trade partner for unloading Redick on an expiring deal (Like Miami in a sign and trade for Wade)

So let me rephrase the question.

Would you trade away Blake and Redick to get Carmelo, LeBron and Wade this summer?

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Post #8 » by **og15** » Sat May 14, 2016 3:48 am

Jordan would have to be traded also, there's still not enough cap space

madmaxmedia · Post #9 » by **madmaxmedia** » Mon May 23, 2016 7:04 pm

Carmelo, Lebron, Wade, CP3, and a bunch of small contracts to fill out the roster.

It would be interesting, that's for sure. I think you probably try to stagger lineups as well as play them together at times. CP3 and Carmelo in one unit, Lebron and Wade in another unit. There's always vets looking to play for a contender that you can fill out the roster with on the cheap.

I can enjoy discussing this as a hypothetical, how it would work, etc. Would I choose it? I don't know, it seems pretty implausible that it could actually happen. Too many moving conditional parts and too many significant players to unload to clear cap space.

Worm122 · Post #10 » by **Worm122** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 10:41 pm

We just need one more superstar that would be Durant or Lebron we dont need Melo, Wade etc, we need one more offense tool with a good jump shot

mttwlsn16 · Post #11 » by **mttwlsn16** » Fri Jun 3, 2016 2:20 am

While we are dreaming,

CP3
Durant
LeBron
Blake
DJ

imagine the fun

Roscoe Sheed · Post #12 » by **Roscoe Sheed** » Fri Jun 3, 2016 2:03 pm

mttwlsn16 wrote:While we are dreaming,

CP3
Durant
LeBron
Blake
DJ

imagine the fun

If these guys (LeBron and Durant) were really serious about prioritizing winning they would do it. Sign minimum deals for one year and then up them the following year. Would never happen though. They make so much money from endorsements they really don't need big NBA contracts.

mr_grabb · Post #13 » by **mr_grabb** » Mon Jun 6, 2016 9:28 pm

Unfortunately, I think that it's more likely that CP3 will bolt at the end of 16-17, if the Clips don't win it all next season, to join one or several of his pals...

Worm122 · Post #14 » by **Worm122** » Tue Jun 7, 2016 5:16 pm

Would CP3 take a discount to make room to Lebron or Durant sign here?

nickhx2 · Post #15 » by **nickhx2** » Tue Jun 7, 2016 5:33 pm

it's pretty rare for superstars to take discounts to begin with, so i'd speculate that as a very unlikely scenario. besides, even if cp3 said he'd take the minimum, i think we'd still be cap screwed, AND it'd have to happen next offseason.

Post #16 » by **og15** » Wed Jun 8, 2016 2:40 am

He would never take the minimum, but it is possible that for his next contract he takes about $27 million a year instead of the possible $35-36 million a year that a max player with 10+ years in the league could be eligible for next off-season.

It wouldn't necessarily give any cap space, but it can help with avoiding luxury tax payments.

Roscoe Sheed · Post #17 » by **Roscoe Sheed** » Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:52 pm

I hope the Cavs win on Sunday fulfilling LeBron's responsibility to Cleveland and that Woj's story is correct- that he would like to play with CP3 in LA. As much as I like Griffin, you'd have to do the trade. Even though LeBron is older, he is more durable than Blake and is of course the better player.

madmaxmedia · Post #18 » by **madmaxmedia** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 4:56 pm

Yeah, if BG for Carmelo is the precondition for Lebron and probably Wade to come over, you do it.

Everyone is talking about Lebron teaming with his super friends now, funny thing is that Clippers is by far the easiest place to make it happen. CP3 is here, Blake Griffin can bring in Carmelo, and then Lebron and Wade are free agents. Only thing would be clearing cap space to sign Lebron and Wade, but that can probably be done? Any other destination requires multiple superstar trades since both Carmelo and CP3 are under contract, and the Knicks don't have anything to send us to pry CP3 away.

I prefer Lebron stay in Cleveland though, and try to repeat next season, and if that succeeds try to pull a 3-peat in Cleveland. I think that would be the best outcome for his legacy too, rather than jumping around every couple of years. If he were to pull a 3-peat in Cleveland then he becomes Top 2 all time player, second only to MJ.