Reasons why the NBA is not rigged

AussieRules · Post #41 » by **AussieRules** » Sat Jun 18, 2016 2:05 pm

doogled wrote:Counterpoint:

I don't know who was responsible but that was a shameless series that I try to erase from my memory. Dirk and the Mavs should have two rings.

MartinToVaught · Post #42 » by **MartinToVaught** » Sat Jun 18, 2016 2:49 pm

doogled wrote:Counterpoint:

True. If it wasn't rigged, the Heat would have lost to the Spurs in the Finals that year instead of beating the Mavs.

Guest202 · Post #43 » by **Guest202** » Sat Jun 18, 2016 2:58 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:
doogled wrote:Counterpoint:

True. If it wasn't rigged, the Heat would have lost to the Spurs in the Finals that year instead of beating the Mavs.

I don't doubt that conference finals are influenced/rigged too. As a Warrior fan right now, I can't say I'm 100% sure the NBA didn't influence the western conference finals. And now they're influencing the finals. It's all f-cked up.

As a lifelong Laker fan, that LA-Sac series and the LA-Suns series were obviously jerked with, too.

TroubleS0me · Post #44 » by **TroubleS0me** » Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:12 pm

the 2005 playoff series : Mavs vs Rockets was also rigged btw

Post #45 » by **Quotatious** » Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:15 pm

Good post OP.

One thing that has always been amusing to me - many people say that 2007 Suns/Spurs series was rigged, but why the hell would the NBA want the Spurs to win, if their TV ratings were always extremely low? Doesn't make sense from marketing standpoint. Suns played exciting, high-pace, offense-oriented basketball that a lot more people would like to watch.

DaKnicksAreBack · Post #46 » by **DaKnicksAreBack** » Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:19 pm

The nba is rigged people are the most annoying people on the face of the earth. If the NBA is rigged don't waste your time watching it and talking about it on message boards.

Dennis 37 · Post #47 » by **Dennis 37** » Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:43 pm

vancity604 wrote:6. Fans of all 30 teams complain about officiating and think the game is rigged against their team...its never the opponent getting screwed, its only their team. What a coincidence.

It is not a coincidence. The fans of all 30 teams recognize point spread manipulation, playoff series extending behaviour, and playoff team manipulation when they see it. As much as I was thrilled that the Raptors won games 3 and 4 of the ECF, I can't help thinking that LeBron was told to dial it back a notch in those two games as a favour to league revenue.

Does it mean everything in the NBA is rigged? No. Does the league have serious integrity problems? Yes.

Dennis 37 · Post #48 » by **Dennis 37** » Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:53 pm

Hooplah wrote:Even Lebron is not immune:

Spoiler:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJsdQazLi0c[/youtube]

I've never been a fan of Miami or Cleveland, but those calls on LeBron are clearly series extending calls.

BirdIsDaKing · Post #49 » by **BirdIsDaKing** » Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:40 pm

https://www.instagram.com/p/BGw7N5oAbJy/?hl=en

mtron929 · Post #50 » by **mtron929** » Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:51 pm

I kind of feel like there needs to be a separate argument on this issue. That is, on one hand, you have a group of conspiracy theorists who think that the NBA is actively involved in determining who will win the title and as such NBA is pretty much equivalent to WWE. I absolutely disagree with this group and I suspect that your post is more relayed towards them. In which case, we are united.

However, I am of the opinion that although the NBA is not rigged per se, the people who are involved with the NBA (e.g. commissioner, refs) are cognizant of which outcomes are good for the NBA and thus, their bias will fall along the most lucrative path for the NBA in a 50/50 situation. For example, everyone knows that the NBA would have preferred that the Cavs make this a series down 1-3 as opposed to the Warriors finishing the series in five games. Really, you would be naive to think that the NBA truly truly do not care about this kind of stuff at all. And accordingly, once the time comes upon deciding to suspend Draymond Green, these things all play a role in making the decision. And thus, I would think that it is conceivable that the NBA would not have suspended Green if the Warriors were down 1:3 to prolong the series but given that they were up 3:1, the decision to suspend Draymond became much easier.

I am not so sure if some of you are at these business meetings where these decisions are being made but profit for the company (in this case, the NBA) always factors in. Obviously, you do not want to give off a perception that you are WWE, but for a 50/50 call (e.g. decision to suspend Draymond), these things play a role. You would be completely naive to think that it doesn't.

mtron929 · Post #51 » by **mtron929** » Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:55 pm

^ As another analogy,

If we are hiring someone to fill position A in a company, we cannot just hire a complete moron. However, if there are multiple people who are competent that can fill the role, then we have biases on hiring a person in which we have person relationship with. That is real life. And I think if people think that the NBA strives to be as impartial as possible and do not take any circumstances (e.g. Cavs are down 1:3) into account when deciding to suspend/or not suspend Draymond Green, you are naive.

Moose10Fan · Post #52 » by **Moose10Fan** » Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:56 pm

Pharaoh wrote:I think that people who believe in conspiracy theories are the finger pointers and whiners of the world.

Surely there is some giant corporation ruining your life or working against your favourite sports team!

Everyone is self made - only successful people (or organisations) are willing to admit it

Seems close minded to me, I don't think k it's all rigged, however conspiracies in general aren't some insane thing, actually calling someone crazy for thinking it is the typical defence against conspiracy theories.

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LLJ · Post #53 » by **LLJ** » Sat Jun 18, 2016 5:39 pm

I don't believe the NBA as a league is rigged, but I do believe refs have personal agendas sometimes.

I do believe that the recent spate of "day after the fact" calls has been more trouble than it's worth, though. They should never have started doing this.

CaptainMorgan78 · Post #54 » by **CaptainMorgan78** » Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:02 pm

Anyone that doesn't believe the NBA has made certain decisions during specific times to increase their revenues are either naive or just plain ignorant. We've seen it during the lottery several times in the past (why are the ping pong balls never shown to the public), we saw it in game 6 of the western conference finals during the Kings / Lakers series in 2002, yes I know this was quite some time ago but I have never seen such corruption in any sport more than that game, many of you probably remember it, and the third and most recent example is the Draymond Green suspension and here is why.... The call that was made "after the fact" was a technical on Lebron and a flagrant foul on Draymond which resulted in him being suspended. I understand that Draymond was already on thin ice, however if the call was actually made during the game (as it should have been) would Draymond have been assessed a flagrant foul....absolutely not, and neither would have Lebron, the correct call would have been to give them both technicals, one to Lebron for instigating the incident (throwing Green to the floor and walking on top of him) and the other would be a technical to Draymond for retaliation. Instead the NBA saw this as a golden opportunity to extend the series and increase their revenues, anyone that thinks otherwise is either clueless or in denial. Even the CEO of our company who was born and raised in Cleveland and is a huge Cavs fan said that that call was a blatant attempt by the NBA to extend the series so they could make more money. I really thought that when Adam Silver took over this type of stuff would stop, but apparently I was mistaken.

JF5 · Post #55 » by **JF5** » Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:03 pm

Its not rigged... People are just butt hurt about outcomes that don't fit their narrative... So they try to justify it with anything and everything...

CaptainMorgan78 · Post #56 » by **CaptainMorgan78** » Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:30 pm

JF5 wrote:Its not rigged... People are just butt hurt about outcomes that don't fit their narrative... So they try to justify it with anything and everything...

You're in denial....you're telling me that Draymond should have received a flagrant 1 foul on that play while Lebron just receives a technical??? If that exact same play had happened in game 6 with the series tied at 3 games a piece going back to the Oracle for a game 7, do you think the NBA would have suspended Draymond.....

Post #57 » by **jbk1234** » Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:36 pm

CaptainMorgan78 wrote:
JF5 wrote:Its not rigged... People are just butt hurt about outcomes that don't fit their narrative... So they try to justify it with anything and everything...

You're in denial....you're telling me that Draymond should have received a flagrant 1 foul on that play while Lebron just receives a technical??? If that exact same play had happened in game 6 with the series tied at 3 games a piece going back to the Oracle for a game 7, do you think the NBA would have suspended Draymond.....

Yes. After the second Adams nut kick, the NBA sat Draymond down like a kindergartner and told him the next time he hit a player in the junk, he was serving a suspension. And what did Draymond do? He hit another player in the junk and embarrassed the league.

I swear the Warriors are the Honey Boo Boo of the NBA. They do what they want and when they get a time out on the stairs, the entire world is out to get them.

CaptainMorgan78 · Post #58 » by **CaptainMorgan78** » Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:53 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
CaptainMorgan78 wrote:
JF5 wrote:Its not rigged... People are just butt hurt about outcomes that don't fit their narrative... So they try to justify it with anything and everything...

You're in denial....you're telling me that Draymond should have received a flagrant 1 foul on that play while Lebron just receives a technical??? If that exact same play had happened in game 6 with the series tied at 3 games a piece going back to the Oracle for a game 7, do you think the NBA would have suspended Draymond.....

Yes. After the second Adams nut kick, the NBA sat Draymond down like a kindergartner and told him the next time he hit a player in the junk, he was serving a suspension. And what did Draymond do? He hit another player in the junk and embarrassed the league.

I swear the Warriors are the Honey Boo Boo of the NBA. They do what they want and when they get a time out on the stairs, the entire world is out to get them.

You give him a technical and you fine him, you don't suspend him for a finals game in an attempt to completely change the series so you can increase your revenues.

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Post #59 » by **bondom34** » Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:53 pm

Ganji wrote:
bondom34 wrote:^^^

2011 Finals:

Dallas 155 FTA
Miami 148 FTA

Clearly rigged...

it's more about non calls then calls...

I mean, he specifically said the FTA. You can't get any more specific.

Post #60 » by **jbk1234** » Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:54 pm

CaptainMorgan78 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
CaptainMorgan78 wrote:
You're in denial....you're telling me that Draymond should have received a flagrant 1 foul on that play while Lebron just receives a technical??? If that exact same play had happened in game 6 with the series tied at 3 games a piece going back to the Oracle for a game 7, do you think the NBA would have suspended Draymond.....

Yes. After the second Adams nut kick, the NBA sat Draymond down like a kindergartner and told him the next time he hit a player in the junk, he was serving a suspension. And what did Draymond do? He hit another player in the junk and embarrassed the league.

I swear the Warriors are the Honey Boo Boo of the NBA. They do what they want and when they get a time out on the stairs, the entire world is out to get them.

You give him a technical and you fine him, you don't suspend him for a finals game in an attempt to completely change the series so you can increase your revenues.

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And you're unwittingly making my point!