2016 Draft Thread Part 4

[NavLDO]

Nah, I was reading about how many Booker, Lillard, CJ, Green and others were in that "Tier 4" crap disguised as some sort of system. If you have a systematic way of valuing players, have at least 70-80 percent accuracy, 50-50 or less is guessing. How could you reference that this year after all of the misses and so few hits?

Cool. Show me this system you speak of that is 70-80% accurate, that has Hield as the 4th best player in the draft, then I'll not reference NBA Scouts that get paid to do this. Are you one in disguise? Are you from the future, since you said we'll all be crying by seeing Hield lighting it up in Minny or NOP? Just curious which system you reference/use to make your decision on who we should draft...watching Hield's Senior tape, and ignoring the other 75% of his college career?

My point is, please don't try to reference something that is not an accurate predictor to disagree with MY opinion. Everyone has an opinion. I stated I liked Buddy and I have been defending my opinion for the last day and 1/2 against other opinions.......crazy.

Fair enough. But these are NBA scouts, and have a better chance of being right than any of us.

[JMac1]

See the difference?

would this board explode if we picked Buddy at #3?

I'm guessing that if that rumor is true and Ainge is trying to acquire a 2nd top ten pick then Buddy is probably the target. Brown and Hield would be quite the haul and go a long way to addressing our offensive issues. Then Ainge can swing for the fences with some potential rim protectors later in the draft.

I was thinking the same thing. IT/Smart/Hield/Rozier/Brown/Crowder/Olynyk/Johnson/Mickey/Jerebco/#16 + RJ/Young

See the difference?

From Celts board.

I love how your board can understand the value of Buddy and Brown and Chris and Bender and Dunn. You guys have open minds, must be nice.

You're such a whiny little baby Ohhh noooo people don't feel the same as me about these draft prospects, better go cuddle up with someone who thinks like me so I feel better. Notice how none of them go around talking about Hield as an instant superstar or Brown as the next Westbrook/Leonard hybrid? That's the reason people come at you, you talk like your guys are the next sliced bread and every other prospect is a pile of rocks. You talk about open-mindedness, yet you're the most closed-minded person on the board.

Ah....figures you didn't see the point. The point was they DISAGREED but did it without attacking the eachother. Not surprised you missed it and then tried to instigate more strife. Funny and predictable.

[JMac1]

Well first off, I feel good about Dunn as an NBA player; I just think everyone calling him John Wall or Dwayne Wade are overboard. I also don't think he ends up better than Bledsoe, so there's not reason to draft him. I don't talk about people I'm high on like they're automatic stars like you do, I just correct misconceptions about players, e.g. basically every comparison you've ever made, Bender = Porzingis/Gasol/Veseley, and Chriss = Davis/Warrick/Stoudemire/Kemp. I've also never said Buddy would bust. I just think drafting Booker's back up with the 4th pick in the draft is not a wise decision in our situation, nor do I think he's the best player on the board there in any situation. In my opinion, his ceiling is being a pure scorer akin to Michael Redd in the NBA, which is pretty far from busting but also not a Hall of Famer/Superstar. I don't even think I've said Brown will bust, but I think comparing him to top 5 players like Westbrook and Kawhi are way to optimistic. I will say that I don't think he lands on an All Rookie team though. Regardless, if those guys end up being star players despite what I think, I'll gladly eat crow, but my expectations of them has never been to suck, and my point almost every time I dispute them is that I don't think they're the best player on the board for us. I'd be more than give you my opinion on floors and ceilings on our options if you want?

Second, my point is that you talk about Buddy Hield like the transition to the NBA is a formality and he'll be a star immediately. No one in this class, likely Simmons and Ingram included, is going to be dominating early in the season; Rookies very rarely step in and dominate from Day One like you're implying.

You just make up stuff huh? Buddy's a baller. I didn't even say he would be an Allstar.

I said Brown is a rim attack like Westbrook. LOL

Buddy is a way better athlete than Redd (before the knee injury)

Buddy will be playing from day one.

The only person I compared Bender to was AK47 and said what if he could be like Dirk (never compared them)?

Chriss is last on my list and I said I would hope we could be a skinny Amare with 3pt range. Never compared him to anyone

Now I understand why I cannot get my point across, people (you in particular) just make things up and believe them. OJ syndrome my man, OJ syndrome.

Lol you're a big sad clown dude, congrats on being the first person on my ignore list on here

Another name call because your upset and I didn't feed in, nice.

[darealjuice]

See the difference?













See the difference?

From Celts board.

I love how your board can understand the value of Buddy and Brown and Chris and Bender and Dunn. You guys have open minds, must be nice.

You're such a whiny little baby Ohhh noooo people don't feel the same as me about these draft prospects, better go cuddle up with someone who thinks like me so I feel better. Notice how none of them go around talking about Hield as an instant superstar or Brown as the next Westbrook/Leonard hybrid? That's the reason people come at you, you talk like your guys are the next sliced bread and every other prospect is a pile of rocks. You talk about open-mindedness, yet you're the most closed-minded person on the board.

Ah....figures you didn't see the point. The point was they DISAGREED but did it without attacking the eachother. Not surprised you missed it and then tried to instigate more strife. Funny and predictable.

The point is that their comparisons and expectations don't deserve to be criticized like your moronic, unrealistic ones do. Not surprised you missed that though, stupid and predictable

[sunsbum]

I know some of you want the draft to be done with but man I **** love this board around this time of the year. The dude that said this is his personal christmas...its better than christmas. And it lasts like 2 months!!

[bwgood77]

For such a weak draft why are teams trying to trade Okafor and Russell to get a pick in this draft?

Sometimes people get a little too obsessed with a prospect. You may understand.

Yea, like Bender or Chriss and no one else for most on this board. No Buddy, no Dunn, no Murray, no Hiel,d no Brown, I have said something good about all of them and the most feedback I got was anger unless it was Bender and maybe Murray, but the obsession of hate is worse than the obsession of love. Love is inclusive and hate is exclusive. A lot of people here HATE prospects.

I love something about all the players and hate nothing about them so much where I wouldn't want any of them drafted at #4.

There is no hate for Buddy. I did some research of players in the NCAA who have had an NCAA season where they made over 3.5 3s per game and shot them at a rate over 44%.

Of the 21 people on the list, one is on our team now (guess who?) and one was on our team briefly last year (guess who?). Three people that made the list are in the draft this year. Also only two people on the list were freshmen.

So we have had two guys on our team (one still is) who had seasons very similar to HIeld, and the person I'm talking about that still is on the team isn't Booker. http://cbbref.com/tiny/okbaA

[bwgood77]

I prefer Ellenson over Chriss. Hopefully, Boston pulls the trigger on Marquese before we do.

Ellenson will be there at 13.

These NBA finals have been really telling as to how valueable it is to have your big man with decent footspeed and decent defence.

Kevin Love may be the most offensively talented and skilled player on the Cavs, but hes been reduced to 10-15 minutes off the bench in the finals, and everytime hes on the Warriors make a run.

Henceforth why I am not high on prospects like Ellenson. I wouldnt touch him in the top 20, and I think these NBA Finals back me up.

I think a lot of it has to do with match ups. I think he is a guy that can help the Cavs beat most teams, and most good teams, but they always wrote about how Kevin Love may not see the floor much against the Cavs even though he has been important in other series. As GMAT pointed out, he still also provides some value in the fact that being able to space the floor as given LeBron and Curry more room to drive.

So it's still important in some respects to allow others to play better. Kyrie/LeBron probably play better offensively when they don't have two bigs who can't shoot in the lineup. LeBron probably should at this time in his career, play the 4 though, so that would alleviate the problem and it might be wise to trade him. I think depending on the team and coach though, Love can be very valuable.

Many teams have been forced to go small and not use their best players when playing the Cavs. The funny thing is, the Cavs utilized it well on their own to beat the Pistons. Stan Van Gundy was saying "I hate when they go small with Love at the C because Drummond, who is the best rebounder in the league, is standing out at the 3 pt line, but it's hard to sit him."

[8on]

JMac, wherever you are:

Hield might be the next Steph Curry.

Scouts don't seem to think so. If they did, he would be on mocks in the top 3. He would be the first tier on Chad's tier system.

Steph went 7th. As I said before, I'm sure Glen Taylor of the T-Wolves kicks himself at night when he thinks about what might've been.

Such is life. Maybe Buddy will go 7th. Maybe he is the next Steph Curry. Whoever said hindsight is 20/20 probably wasn't very reflective, but foresight is even weaker.

Buddy ain't getting drafted by this board. I'm saying that the likelihood that Buddy gets drafted by management is slim. Now all you can do is hope. Folks around here aren't as high on him. Maybe the scouts are fools, and we're filtering our opinions through mock drafts and scouts. Maybe the scouts are right. Maybe McD is smarter than scouts, and his strict BPA policy will lead him to pick Buddy. I wouldn't hate that.

The point is, only time will tell. We'll know on Thursday. Then we'll have to wait another year to see whether it was a good pick or not. So relax, mi compadre......it's good to be powerless. At least your job isn't riding on the pick

[bwgood77]

Found out Marquese Chriss studied engineering at college.

Hope he's not one of those smart dumb guys like Brandon Knight.

But just knowing you want to major in engineering is what intrigues me. Most people going into college don't realize how much more valuable that degree is than almost any other. That alone makes me think he has a good head on his shoulders.

As a student who is 6months away from graduating Uni with a degree in Civil/Structural Engineering, youre having a hard time convincing me of that statement with the absolute oversaturation of engineers in our dwindling job market.

Well too bad you don't live in the states as they are in short supply here.

[TeamTragic]

Bender or Hield 4th
Ellenson or Skal 13th

As of right now I think that's what I want

Chriss or Bender
Ellenson or Skal

- #4: Bender
- #13: Skal

SUCCESS

[bwgood77]

Lol you're a big sad clown dude, congrats on being the first person on my ignore list on here oh well, not like you've ever said anything of substance here anyways so I'm not missing out

Better to use ignore than to result to any personal attacks, which is against the TOS.

[carey]

There is no hate for Buddy. I did some research of players in the NCAA who have had an NCAA season where they made over 3.5 3s per game and shot them at a rate over 44%.

Of the 21 people on the list, one is on our team now (guess who?) and one was on our team briefly last year (guess who?). Three people that made the list are in the draft this year. Also only two people on the list were freshmen.

So we have had two guys on our team (one still is) who had seasons very similar to HIeld, and the person I'm talking about that still is on the team isn't Booker. http://cbbref.com/tiny/okbaA

Without cheating I'm thinking the first is John Jenkins and the second is idk.. Budinger? He shot the 3 ball pretty well his final year iirc.

[NavLDO]

Just like I didn't forget blowing your head off for Booker gif

Why are we going back and forth on Hield? I like him other don't, case close. To try to prove me wrong and yourself right is laughable. It will come in due time. Thank you very much.

People continue to act like their chit don't stank........incredible.

That's rich coming from the guy claiming we'll all be crying because he's awesome in Minny/New Orleans? I think you might want to go back and read your own posts; we are simply responding to your hyperbole on how Hield's such a "Baller" and "Case closed".

At least the rest of us are open to more than ONE prospect, and aren't covering our ears, closing our eyes, saying "la la la la la...I'm not listening...Hield is great, everyone else stinks...la la la la la..."

That was all said after the billion retorts for my saying I wanted Buddy #4. That was it, then all hell broke lose.

At least the rest of us are open to more than ONE prospect, and aren't covering our ears, closing our eyes, saying "la la la la la...I'm not listening...Hield is great, everyone else stinks...la la la la la..

Are you on drugs!?! I am open to everyone, if you don't know that by now, you are either a jackass or new to the conversation or don't know how to read......What a crock of ****!

So, you never said this?

...we'll all be crying because he's awesome in Minny/New Orleans?

...or that it's basically Hield or bust earlier?

So, cool. You ar open to Bender over Hield? Chriss? Ellenson? Brown? Dunn? Poeltl?

You tell me who you would be ok with over Hield at 4, then. Because earlier, you simply stated that it was the end of the conversation, and Hield is the guy we should draft at 4, right??

On earlier days, yes, you've been open, but ALL DAY today has been 'Hield or bust' with you, so don't act like you've been 'open to everyone' today; everything before today is negated by your earlier comment:

Bottomline, to argue against Hield is ludicrous (Speed). I am not going back an forth about Buddy. He is a baller, period!

I also stated:

You mean like have fewer TOs? Have comparable EFF, EFF/40, PER, TS%, eFG%, FT%, and has been referred to as the most athletically gifted prospect in 15 years? That kind of 'done nothing'?? Just checking. Especially considering he was much further ahead of Dunn and Hield in these areas as Freshman, and while that doesn't portend future success, the point is, he was more advanced than either Hield or Dunn at the same age. Oh, and then there's the fact that we don't have any PFs, yet have 5-6 Guards on the roster.

So it's not as if Chriss is some 2nd Rd talent being considered at 4th overall, and that he "hasn't performed"...he's raw, and young, but again, was wll ahead of where Dunn and Hield were at their respective positions at the same points in their careers.

A Freshman PF that averages 35% from 3, 69% from FT% is an offensively gifted talent, even if extremely raw, and claiming he 'hasn't performed" is a tad bit on the hyperbolic side.

to your post of:

Then people say what's wrong with you how can you like the guy who did something over a guy who has done nothing? are you crazy? Then make excuses about why the guy who performed isn't worthy and then tell me the guy who hasn't performed is a better pick and tell me I am crazy? Wow!

Ignore what is and create what isn't. I understand potential, but I also understand a dude who can ball.

You have literally shot down any other prospect @ 4 today in favor of Hield, so don't tell me it's a 'crock of ****'

You show me ONE post from you today saying you'd be happy with any other prospect over Hield at 4, and I'll recant, but you can't, because you didn't. So don't act like you've been so magnanimous and open-minded about our selection @ 4 that involves us taking anyone other than Hield @ 4 if Hield is there for the taking.

You've basically stated that Hield has proven himself, and no one else has that is a Freshman; Hield's ONE Senior Season is proof, but anyone else's Freshman season "has done nothing" or "hasn't performed". Just because a guy has played 4 seasons DOESN'T mean he's played 4 seasons at a high-level. And that is the case with Hield. Had he come out after his Junior season, we wouldn't even be talking about him in the 1st Rd. Ellenson, Chriss, Murray, Poeltl, and Davis' Freshman/Sophomore seasons were ALL better than what Hield did during his Junior season.

So no, I am NOT on drugs, I am NOT crazy, I'm NOT delusional, I DO know how to read, and I am NOT a jackass...well, ok I am, but that's beside the point--you've been on the Hield Hype Train ALL DAY, and everyone else here can see it, and you have not entertained a SINGLE other option @ 4 than Hield, all day, so don't act like you've been 'open' to other prospects at 4, and have madeit abundantly clear that Hield is your choice, and no one else deserves to be considered over him, and I'm pretty sure there are at least 10 posters here that can back me up on that statement.

[TeamTragic]

In light of all this chatter about Suns loving Chriss at 4, I watched again some of his highlights and some game film and visions of another, super athletic 6'9" forward who Suns drafted came to mind - Earl Clark.


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[carey]

My draft order at #4 is: Bender, Hield, Ellenson
My draft order at #13 is: Skal, Hernangomez, Valentine
My draft order at #28 is: Bembry, Jones, Ulis, Petr
My draft order at #34 is: Ulis, Petr, Siakam

[Cactus Jack]

Bender or Hield 4th
Ellenson or Skal 13th

As of right now I think that's what I want

Swap Murray for Bender & call it a day.

[bwgood77]

When I keep hearing of Chriss' unbelievable athleticism and hear him compared to ex Suns, I keep thinking of this guy....not that it is a comparison, but the athleticism was amazing and I was so excited for the future of this guy.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4PfT4UMcLY[/youtube]

What could have been.

[Kerrsed]

Ok guys, enough with the name calling. Attack the posts if you must, not the posters. Also, there is quite a bit of baiting going on as well, trying to get people triggered. Enough!

[bwgood77]

There is no hate for Buddy. I did some research of players in the NCAA who have had an NCAA season where they made over 3.5 3s per game and shot them at a rate over 44%.

Of the 21 people on the list, one is on our team now (guess who?) and one was on our team briefly last year (guess who?). Three people that made the list are in the draft this year. Also only two people on the list were freshmen.

So we have had two guys on our team (one still is) who had seasons very similar to HIeld, and the person I'm talking about that still is on the team isn't Booker. http://cbbref.com/tiny/okbaA

Without cheating I'm thinking the first is John Jenkins and the second is idk.. Budinger? He shot the 3 ball pretty well his final year iirc.

Yes, John Jenkins shot at a better % in than Buddy and the other is Marcus Thornton, who also shot better in conference play the year he did it. I actually like John Jenkins and think we should keep him so for those that want Buddy, we basically can just keep him as if we drafted Buddy.

[jcsunsfan]

Bender or Hield 4th
Ellenson or Skal 13th

As of right now I think that's what I want

Chriss or Bender
Ellenson or Skal

- #4: Bender
- #13: Skal

SUCCESS

I am OK with that. I think Bender and Sabonis would be good too. One gamble project and one guaranteed contributor.