2016 Draft Thread Part 4

[OGBAH]

#neverChriss@4th

[NTB]

I'm so confused

[JMac1]

Full game Sabonis vs Chriss\Murray.

https://youtu.be/ACneIMNi30w

I think Chriss is going to get Murdered in the NBA on defense. His motor is not good, he floats all over the court and doesnt persue rebounds at all. His rebounding issues arent because hes young, its because he doesnt try, stands around and watches the ball. I was actually warming up to drafting him but not after watching this game.

Murray I like, he can get to the basket at will. He needs some polish, his game is a bit wild all around but he definitely has all the tools.

Sabonis, what can you say? Slow and steady wins the race. Hes just so solid in everything he does.

Im going to try to find another washington game to watch Chriss but right now I am super unimpressed.

Solid analysis. Thanks

[Fo-Real]

First off, Go Suns!!!

Ok. I'm not a Suns fan. I have a Phoenix question unrelated to the draft or basketball at all for that matter. But in regards to the draft: I hope the Suns get a great player and do unexpectedly well next year.


Here's the question: I was looking at your weather forecast!!! How the hell? I mean, O My Freakin God, look at this: https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/USAZ0166:1:US

Look at it! How do you cope? Your lows are higher than our highs. 120 degrees? I hope that if this is the apocalypse you are all having a good one.

Once again, Go Suns! ...and please don't die.

But it's a DRY heat. Actually, I was surprised to see it was THAT hot in Phx right now, though it has been there in the past. Figures when we have Chriss and Bender in to visit it's like 115 degrees. They are probably thinking "damn, I hope I don't go to Phx".

And it's all good, a whole lot of smoking hot women wearing a lot less cloths.

[Fo-Real]

When I keep hearing of Chriss' unbelievable athleticism and hear him compared to ex Suns, I keep thinking of this guy....not that it is a comparison, but the athleticism was amazing and I was so excited for the future of this guy.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4PfT4UMcLY[/youtube]

What could have been.

Haa, I talked to that dude a few monhs ago, really good dude and still looks the same, like he can ball right now. Too bad about the knee and drug problems, and the trouble he got into lately.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I have my final answer. At #4, I want Sabonis. Preferably, I'd trade down to get him, but not so low that he slips past us. Perfect trade partner is Denver.

I don't trust Chriss's lack of motor, defense, BBIQ and rebounding. He's an athlete and he shoots threes. When I think about the player who would fit perfectly with Booker and Warren, I don't think Chriss - and I think Sabonis will be the better NBA PF.

I don't trust Bender's awkwardness. Yes, he's fluid, but he's also stuck to the floor. Hands don't look great, he may never be abe to mix it up inside. And if that's the case, what position does he play? People talk about his ability to switch, but what about his lack of ability to stick his own man as a PF? The awkwardness could lead to injury - I simply don't think his ceiling is so high that it's worth taking the risk.

Sabonis has the motor, the smarts, the rebounding, he's quite big (though he is a bit of a T Rex), but I think his skills and his passing and energy are the things we need going forward. No worries about him making it on the next level, no worries about injury - I think he's the guy. If necessary, yes, I'd take him at 4. But I hope all the Chriss/Bender stuff is our playing the game, trying to get the most out of a trade with Denver. Even if it's just 4 + 28 for 7 and 19.

Sabonis. Final answer.

[MathiasPW]

BEEEEP!

Your final answer is the wrong answer. You just lost the One million dollars prize.

[RaisingArizona]

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[RaisingArizona]

I have my final answer. At #4, I want Sabonis. Preferably, I'd trade down to get him, but not so low that he slips past us. Perfect trade partner is Denver.

I don't trust Chriss's lack of motor, defense, BBIQ and rebounding. He's an athlete and he shoots threes. When I think about the player who would fit perfectly with Booker and Warren, I don't think Chriss - and I think Sabonis will be the better NBA PF.

I don't trust Bender's awkwardness. Yes, he's fluid, but he's also stuck to the floor. Hands don't look great, he may never be abe to mix it up inside. And if that's the case, what position does he play? People talk about his ability to switch, but what about his lack of ability to stick his own man as a PF? The awkwardness could lead to injury - I simply don't think his ceiling is so high that it's worth taking the risk.

Sabonis has the motor, the smarts, the rebounding, he's quite big (though he is a bit of a T Rex), but I think his skills and his passing and energy are the things we need going forward. No worries about him making it on the next level, no worries about injury - I think he's the guy. If necessary, yes, I'd take him at 4. But I hope all the Chriss/Bender stuff is our playing the game, trying to get the most out of a trade with Denver. Even if it's just 4 + 28 for 7 and 19.

Sabonis. Final answer.

Sabonis can be had at 13, though. Why take at 4?

[sunsbum]

Ok just got done watching Jaylen Brown vs Richmond Spiders https://youtu.be/I8ETvmxLLnY

Im definitely more of a fan of his than I was an hour ago.

Obviously hes very strong, finish extremely well through contact. Nice first step for a guy his size, knows when to take advantage of smaller guys guarding him in the post.
Ball semi runs through him at the top of the key at Cal. Willing passer. Youd think he would be a better rebounder with his size but for some reason hes not. If I watched another game I could probably pin it down.
He doesnt have any advanced moves that I saw when he drove the ball (crow hop, euro step ect) kind just relies on his first step to get around the corner and bully/explodes.
Hes deceptivly explody on that note, made it tough for guys to stay in front of him in transition. I agree he is a 3/small ball 4. His defense was solid. Not a shot blocker like you think he would be with that athleticism. Kind of just plays solid safe man to man D.

His shot isnt broke so I'd expect that to get better over time. I like him.

He doesnt do anything out of this world but he seems to have a good base to build on.

I think this game was a really good one to watch if you want to get a feel for his game.

Think im gong to watch a Michigan State game now.

[JMac1]

I have my final answer. At #4, I want Sabonis. Preferably, I'd trade down to get him, but not so low that he slips past us. Perfect trade partner is Denver.

I don't trust Chriss's lack of motor, defense, BBIQ and rebounding. He's an athlete and he shoots threes. When I think about the player who would fit perfectly with Booker and Warren, I don't think Chriss - and I think Sabonis will be the better NBA PF.

I don't trust Bender's awkwardness. Yes, he's fluid, but he's also stuck to the floor. Hands don't look great, he may never be abe to mix it up inside. And if that's the case, what position does he play? People talk about his ability to switch, but what about his lack of ability to stick his own man as a PF? The awkwardness could lead to injury - I simply don't think his ceiling is so high that it's worth taking the risk.

Sabonis has the motor, the smarts, the rebounding, he's quite big (though he is a bit of a T Rex), but I think his skills and his passing and energy are the things we need going forward. No worries about him making it on the next level, no worries about injury - I think he's the guy. If necessary, yes, I'd take him at 4. But I hope all the Chriss/Bender stuff is our playing the game, trying to get the most out of a trade with Denver. Even if it's just 4 + 28 for 7 and 19.

Sabonis. Final answer.

Disagree. All Bender has to do is become a shooter like Mirza. If Mirza could switch on 2-5's on the perimeter, run the floor on fast breaks, outlet pass or push the ball on D reb's, he'd be beasty. I think that is a safe floor for Bender and who wouldn't love a 18 year old version of Mirza like that?

Bender compliments Booker and Len very well.

[Fo-Real]

If the Lakers wanted the 4th pick in exchange for Russell, we also need to pry or add minor value to get Nance Jr also

[JMac1]

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Lol! Well just come to this board, they'll talk you out of it!

[DRK]

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Lol! Well just come to this board, they'll talk you out of it!

Because Brown should be ours!

[sunsbum]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/744547952052428801[/tweet]

Lol! Well just come to this board, they'll talk you out of it!

Ive changed my mind on brown, not my first choice but hes up there.

[Qwigglez]

I have my final answer. At #4, I want Sabonis. Preferably, I'd trade down to get him, but not so low that he slips past us. Perfect trade partner is Denver.

I don't trust Chriss's lack of motor, defense, BBIQ and rebounding. He's an athlete and he shoots threes. When I think about the player who would fit perfectly with Booker and Warren, I don't think Chriss - and I think Sabonis will be the better NBA PF.

I don't trust Bender's awkwardness. Yes, he's fluid, but he's also stuck to the floor. Hands don't look great, he may never be abe to mix it up inside. And if that's the case, what position does he play? People talk about his ability to switch, but what about his lack of ability to stick his own man as a PF? The awkwardness could lead to injury - I simply don't think his ceiling is so high that it's worth taking the risk.

Sabonis has the motor, the smarts, the rebounding, he's quite big (though he is a bit of a T Rex), but I think his skills and his passing and energy are the things we need going forward. No worries about him making it on the next level, no worries about injury - I think he's the guy. If necessary, yes, I'd take him at 4. But I hope all the Chriss/Bender stuff is our playing the game, trying to get the most out of a trade with Denver. Even if it's just 4 + 28 for 7 and 19.

Sabonis. Final answer.

Disagree. All Bender has to do is become a shooter like Mirza. If Mirza could switch on 2-5's on the perimeter, run the floor on fast breaks, outlet pass or push the ball on D reb's, he'd be beasty. I think that is a safe floor for Bender and who wouldn't love a 18 year old version of Mirza like that?

Bender compliments Booker and Len very well.

If you haven't yet, check out Bender's thread
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1347929

Has some videos of him from like two years ago.
I really want the Dragon Bender, I wasn't very high on him even a month ago but have started coming around. He would definitely compliment Booker/Len very well and we'd have a solid foundation to build upon. Bender/Len has some serious length, you can't make any passes in the lane with those two lanky dudes lurking.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Sabonis can be had at 13, though. Why take at 4?

I don't think he falls to 13. I think the Raptors take him at 9 if given the chance.

I trust the FO to make the right decision, but I think that decision is Sabonis. I can understand if Bender's the pick, though it worries me. Chriss is simply the wrong choice. Bender scares me for the reasons stated. Wish he were a year older with another season on which to base an evaluation. But right now, we're evaluating him based on U18 play.

I called Warren at 14 a couple seasons ago, when all - ALL - of the mocks had him going lower. We made the right decision then. It's harder to reach at the very top of the draft, I know. But a lot of busts get taken in the lottery - and bad picks this high set your franchise back years.

Good luck McD & Co.

[JMac1]

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Lol! Well just come to this board, they'll talk you out of it!

Because Brown should be ours!

I don't want two ball needy guys.... I know OKC is good with Westbrook and Durant, but when one has the ball he cancels the other out, the ball gets stuck. GS is the opposite, Klay or Curry is never cancelled out when the other has the ball, neither are the other players. These guys either shoot or pass the ball. Not you drive and then I'll drive. Who's offense was better OKC or GS, the two best shooters vs the two best shot creators?

Brown and Dunn aren't shooters, so they can't play off of Booker or Bledsoe, spotting up on the perimeter. I would love to have them causing havoc breaking down defenses, but what would they do when they don't have the ball? Cut, that's it.

Hield and Murray and Bender and Chriss (hopefully) will be able to catch and shoot and create a little, just enough to get their shot off or create a passing lane.

Brown would be a better fit with Booker than Dunn though. Dunn needs to have his own team to run, ain't gonna happen here.

If Brown can develop a spot up J, then ewwww..... But we have Warren, who is better than Brown minus the athleticism.

[Qwigglez]

Sabonis can be had at 13, though. Why take at 4?

I don't think he falls to 13. I think the Raptors take him at 9 if given the chance.

I trust the FO to make the right decision, but I think that decision is Sabonis. I can understand if Bender's the pick, though it worries me. Chriss is simply the wrong choice. Bender scares me for the reasons stated. Wish he were a year older with another season on which to base an evaluation. But right now, we're evaluating him based on U18 play.

I called Warren at 14 a couple seasons ago, when all - ALL - of the mocks had him going lower. We made the right decision then. It's harder to reach at the very top of the draft, I know. But a lot of busts get taken in the lottery - and bad picks this high set your franchise back years.

Good luck McD & Co.

I see the Raptors taking Chriss at 9. Sabonis is very likely to be there at 13. Or he goes 10-13 IMO.

[Waylay13]

I think that Warren is a better scorer then Brown but I think that Brown can be a better defender than Warren. I know it wont work next year but a front court of Chriss or Bender and Brown would be scary to watch teams keep up with them running the floor.