2016 Regular Season Thread

[Ranma]

I was late to the game coming in at the 5th inning so I missed the 99 minutes it took for the first 3 innings to be completed. I appreciate Bolsinger gutting it out with cramps but dude needs to be sent down. Glad to see our offense having a big day, especially with Joc going 3 for 5 from the leadoff position with a homerun.

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[Quake Griffin]

Don't get how Johnny Bench did 7...amazing.


Btw...since you came around in the 5th, don't be fooled by Bolsinger being in the 3rd inning.
He was AWFUL and most of his 8 outs were BABIP luck. He was rightfully booed.

[Ranma]

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[Quake Griffin]

3 in a row.
in a WC spot.

WAS next

[Ranma]

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[Ranma]

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[Quake Griffin]

SMFH
Potentially damaged goods in Frankie after coming baxk so strong. Completely unfair and completelt unlucky.

Good win tonight.
Nice to see Kenley break the record.

Jim Bowden (who doesnt seem to care for Friedman) said on the broadcast that we are in on Teheran, Sonny, Andrew Miller, and a bat. He said Kershaw (duh), Seager, and Urias are off limits.

[Ranma]

Missed another game due to picking up my roommate from LAX, but knew we'd get the win. I thought I'd be happy with Yasmani Grandal matching Yadier Molina in a defensive metric, but not when Molina is sinking to Grandal's level as opposed to Grandal rising to Molina's. Clayton Kershaw is dominating generational talent Bryce Harper while Kenley Jansen finally surpasses Eric Gagne's saves record. Chad Moriyama makes an astute point about how Kenley likely would have accomplished this sooner if it weren't for Mattingly being saddled with another one of Colletti's bad signings in Brandon League.

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[Ranma]

Jim Bowden (who doesnt seem to care for Friedman) said on the broadcast that we are in on Teheran, Sonny, Andrew Miller, and a bat. He said Kershaw (duh), Seager, and Urias are off limits.

Bowden is just jealous that Friedman has a better reputation and is better at his job than the hairpiece ever was or ever will be at his whether it was GM of the Reds or as a talking head on BSPN. I read the article you cited in the Prospects and Trade Discussion thread, so I'm not willing to pay the price for Teheran, Fernandez, or Cole. To be honest, I'm not that interested in Teheran regardless of the price. Certainly not at the same level of Gerrit Cole or Jose Fernandez. Miller also seems expensive as Yankees' property. Gray is probably going to cost too much as well, but he's the likeliest of them all to be had at a reasonable price.

Thanks for telling us what we already know, Jimmy Toupee. Friedman would have to be lobotomized to reach Colletti-level stupidity in order to trade possibly the franchise's greatest pitcher ever. Likewise, he's not going to deal away Seager and Urias when he was on the other side with Tampa Bay trying to trade for them, especially when it has become even more evident how good they can be.

However, I am glad the Dodgers' front office is doing its due diligence in checking in on these possibly available players, but where was our brain trust when the Athletics traded Josh Donaldson to the Blue Jays?

[Quake Griffin]

Interesting question, so I just double checked the timeline. Donaldson was dealt about 3 weeks after Friedman hired Farhan.

My guess is the FO wanted to get more depth in the minors and younger at the major league level before making a big expenditure. Better said...who would we have traded for Donaldson in 2014? Some mix of Seager/ Urias/ Joc/ DeLeon....not exactly dealing from a position of strength imo especially if you view your farm as top heavy and weak.

I don't know if these guys are trigger happy. Any time I think I have them figured out, I realize I don't. But we're in a much better position than we were in their 1st winter or last years non-waiver deadline. Maybe the addition of Alex Anthopolous pushes them to go big on a deal as well.

Im not interested in Teheran either.
But Fernandez...why not? I'd do a lot to get him here and we have enough to do it if Miami makes him available.

[Kilroy]

Nice win last night, thanks to our stellar pitching... This season is so weird... Not sure how it got so far away from us. Feels like we should be locks for the playoffs rather than battling for a wild card birth. But oh well.. As long as we get in, I think we'll make some noise.

[Ranma]

Interesting question, so I just double checked the timeline. Donaldson was dealt about 3 weeks after Friedman hired Farhan.

My guess is the FO wanted to get more depth in the minors and younger at the major league level before making a big expenditure. Better said...who would we have traded for Donaldson in 2014? Some mix of Seager/ Urias/ Joc/ DeLeon....not exactly dealing from a position of strength imo especially if you view your farm as top heavy and weak.

I don't know if these guys are trigger happy. Any time I think I have them figured out, I realize I don't. But we're in a much better position than we were in their 1st winter or last years non-waiver deadline. Maybe the addition of Alex Anthopolous pushes them to go big on a deal as well.

Im not interested in Teheran either.
But Fernandez...why not? I'd do a lot to get him here and we have enough to do it if Miami makes him available.

That's the thing, the Blue Jays didn't seem to get that much for Donaldson or at least as much as most would expect. Billy Beane received Brett Lawrie, Kendall Graveman, Sean Nolin, and Franklin Barretto. I guess Barretto is the headline prospect in the deal as a SS who is currently the top prospect in the A's system, but Nolin and Graveman were decent young pitchers valued more for their MLB readiness than upside while Lawrie was once a promising prospect who's lost some luster from his profile.

Urias and Seager were and still are practically untouchable so we couldn't offer a SS prospect to match Barretto. However, we could have included Jose De Leon who is arguably better than both Nolin and Graveman combined along with Jose Peraza, who was still fairly well regarded as a prospect who could play SS at the time. De Leon, Peraza, and some filler like Zach Lee or Chris Anderson or maybe even Alex Verdugo should have sealed the deal compared to what Oakland ended up getting. I don't think Cody Bellinger's prospect profile was that high at the time and I would have been disappointed to trade him in hindsight.

It's funny that Anthopoulos was the one who engineered the deal for the Blue Jays since I actually cited that deal as an appeal of his when he joined the Dodgers. Supposedly, AA kept bugging Beane about Donaldson throughout the offseason and season to let him know that he should be Beane's 1st phone call should Donaldson be available, which allowed them to pull off the deal under the radar. Hopefully, Anthopoulos can work similar magic and provide insight on how to approach Miami for Fernandez. I still doubt they'll be reasonable, which is why I'm more optimistic about going to Beane for Gray.

[Ranma]

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[Quake Griffin]

Interesting question, so I just double checked the timeline. Donaldson was dealt about 3 weeks after Friedman hired Farhan.

My guess is the FO wanted to get more depth in the minors and younger at the major league level before making a big expenditure. Better said...who would we have traded for Donaldson in 2014? Some mix of Seager/ Urias/ Joc/ DeLeon....not exactly dealing from a position of strength imo especially if you view your farm as top heavy and weak.

I don't know if these guys are trigger happy. Any time I think I have them figured out, I realize I don't. But we're in a much better position than we were in their 1st winter or last years non-waiver deadline. Maybe the addition of Alex Anthopolous pushes them to go big on a deal as well.

Im not interested in Teheran either.
But Fernandez...why not? I'd do a lot to get him here and we have enough to do it if Miami makes him available.

That's the thing, the Blue Jays didn't seem to get that much for Donaldson or at least as much as most would expect. Billy Beane received Brett Lawrie, Kendall Graveman, Sean Nolin, and Franklin Barretto. I guess Barretto is the headline prospect in the deal as a SS who is currently the top prospect in the A's system, but Nolin and Graveman were decent young pitchers valued more for their MLB readiness than upside while Lawrie was once a promising prospect who's lost some luster from his profile.

Urias and Seager were and still are practically untouchable so we couldn't offer a SS prospect to match Barretto. However, we could have included Jose De Leon who is arguably better than both Nolin and Graveman combined along with Jose Peraza, who was still fairly well regarded as a prospect who could play SS at the time. De Leon, Peraza, and some filler like Zach Lee or Chris Anderson or maybe even Alex Verdugo should have sealed the deal compared to what Oakland ended up getting. I don't think Cody Bellinger's prospect profile was that high at the time and I would have been disappointed to trade him in hindsight.

It's funny that Anthopoulos was the one who engineered the deal for the Blue Jays since I actually cited that deal as an appeal of his when he joined the Dodgers. Supposedly, AA kept bugging Beane about Donaldson throughout the offseason and season to let him know that he should be Beane's 1st phone call should Donaldson be available, which allowed them to pull off the deal under the radar. Hopefully, Anthopoulos can work similar magic and provide insight on how to approach Miami for Fernandez. I still doubt they'll be reasonable, which is why I'm more optimistic about going to Beane for Gray.

Remember we got Peraza at the July 2015 deadline and Donaldson was traded November 2014.

We could have got it done. Maybe DeLeon and Holmes?? Our TPs were Seager, Urias, DeLeon, Joc at the time...the new position players hadn't emerged and Chris Anderson hasnt progressed like wanted.

We were a little top heavy at that point. So I'm glad we decided to hold off, stack up the farm, make Seager and Urias untouchable. I like dealing from strength. I think we get the Donaldson type next time up. Just my guess.


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Sale in CWS may be available as well.
He is worth it too on just about every level.

[Ranma]

Remember we got Peraza at the July 2015 deadline and Donaldson was traded November 2014.

We could have got it done. Maybe DeLeon and Holmes?? Our TPs were Seager, Urias, DeLeon, Joc at the time...the new position players hadn't emerged and Chris Anderson hasnt progressed like wanted.

We were a little top heavy at that point. So I'm glad we decided to hold off, stack up the farm, make Seager and Urias untouchable. I like dealing from strength. I think we get the Donaldson type next time up. Just my guess.


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He is worth it too on just about every level.

Ah, thanks for correcting me on that. I keep thinking the Olivera trade was later and the Donaldson trade as being more recent. Yeah, I still think we could have pulled it off without including Seager. The A's may have demanded a young SS as being a non-negotiable item, so Friedman & Co. likely would have included a 3rd team to make it work, which they've obviously shown themselves to be adept at. Otherwise, it would probably would have had to include both De Leon and Holmes like you said.

I was certainly peeved that we didn't get Donaldson at the time, but with my heart set on Manny Machado as our SS in the future and Seager at 3B on top of our anticipated pursuit of the Gurriel boys, I'm not bitter about it anymore...although I do hold a slight grudge.

You've convinced me that Sale is a topnotch pitcher since our initial discussions about him, but I'm still reluctant to pay the price it would take to get him. I think you make a great point about our farm not being as top-heavy making it a more ideal time to trade from our standpoint. It may sound counter-intuitive to casual fans, but as we all know, teams have always been asking for the Dodgers top prospects in overpayment compared to their demands from other teams. Every trade proposal included Seager, Urias, and/or Pederson as the starting point in negotiations. With both Seager and Pederson now graduated and Urias making his MLB debut, teams will be more open to giving us fair value once De Leon is elevated to status as the top prospect in our developmental system. What he lack in top-end talent, we sure make up for in depth.

[Ranma]

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[Quake Griffin]

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[Ranma]

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I noticed that too.

[Quake Griffin]

Will pay for runs.

[Quake Griffin]

Anybody know how long I have to wait for this offense?


All star break?


trying to exercise patience here.