'15-16 RealGM Player of the Year Discussion Thread

MisterHibachi · Post #1121 » by **MisterHibachi** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:42 am

Kerr seemed a little out of today. Playing Ezeli and Varajao any minutes in the second was ridiculous.

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SideshowBob · Post #1122 » by **SideshowBob** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:43 am

2016 Cavaliers

Eastern Conference Playoffs (14 G)

+15.51 SRS, +16.1 Offense, -1.4 Defense

Finals (7 G)

+11.38 SRS, +5.3 Offense, -6.0 Defense

Overall (21 G)

+14.13 SRS, +12.4 Offense, -2.9 Defense

Cavs went nuts after dropping the first two games. In the last 5 games they went 4-1, put up 116.4 ORTG/105.1 DRTG/+20.2 SRS/+10.4 MOV and Lebron put up 33/12/9/2/3 on 58% TS/12% TOV.

JLei · Post #1123 » by **JLei** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:48 am

GSP wrote:Thoughts on Stephs defense? Thought it was pretty crazy how much the Cavs wanted to put him in pickandrolls. Looked like Kyrie from the regular season against elite teams who did that.

He's slightly above average. One matchup does not make a whole player. Just like how Kevin Love isn't horrible on defense because he can't guard Stephen Curry (well he did on that last possession) Curry is not a liability because he gets bust up by Lebron James and Kyrie Irving.

He has extremely quick hands, moves his feet well and makes good reads. You don't lead the league in steals for nothing. He is not without limitations obviously. He's slight and small and not a super athlete or anything but is generally smart.

Not being able to hedge out properly/ switch on a Bron 3-1 pick and roll without getting destroyed is something that no one is able to do. It's Lebron's ultimate play and shouldn't be an indictment on Curry's defense.

Kyrie's handle is just so ridiculously good that he doesn't fear Curry's hands and without the fear of it forces Curry to move his feet and take it away it makes Curry way less effective. Kyrie's handle makes everyone back up and look silly.

That said he's not a good defender like some of the plus minus stats put him at. But he's not bad. He's just bad against the Cavs.

JLei · Post #1124 » by **JLei** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:52 am

SideshowBob wrote:I think we should definitely hold off on voting, let this sink in. Feel like the longer we wait the less objectivity will be lost in the moment.

That said ya need to get yo head checked if anyone besides Bron is 1. :wink:

SideshowBob · Post #1125 » by **SideshowBob** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:55 am

JLei wrote:
SideshowBob wrote:I think we should definitely hold off on voting, let this sink in. Feel like the longer we wait the less objectivity will be lost in the moment.

That said ya need to get yo head checked if anyone besides Bron is 1.

Don't worry dude. I think you can make the case he's been outplaying Steph since March anyway, PS just built on the direction we were already moving towards in the last 30% of the season.

That said, I don't expect this to be a unanimous vote.

JLei · Post #1126 » by **JLei** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:59 am

Draymond was absolutely incredible in this game and throughout the entire season. Yet you can argue he basically lost his team an NBA championship.

I'm having a hard time reconciling this from my holistic view (which puts Draymond very high). Because he lost them a title.

colts18 · Post #1127 » by **colts18** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:06 am

My unofficial list will be:

1. LeBron
2. Draymond
3. Curry
4. Westbrook
5. Kawhi

HeartBreakKid · Post #1128 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:07 am

The Warriors were started to get a little overrated, so I am kinda glad the Cavs won.

TBH, I hate the Cavs, and I dont like James since he came back to Cleveland (Blatt getting fired was the last straw for me), but I really hate Draymond Green, and I think he is overrated on here, though I do think he played a great finals. But to put things in perspective, if the Warriors had won, which means Green would get FMVP, I am pretty sure people would put Green as their POY, which is absurd to me.

Post #1129 » by **Quotatious** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:17 am

HeartBreakKid wrote:The Warriors were started to get a little overrated, so I am kinda glad the Cavs won.

TBH, I hate the Cavs, and I dont like James since he came back to Cleveland (Blatt getting fired was the last straw for me), but I really hate Draymond Green, and I think he is overrated on here, though I do think he played a great finals. But to put things in perspective, if the Warriors had won, which means Green would get FMVP, I am pretty sure people would put Green as their POY, which is absurd to me.

Green had great finals? I wouldn't say that. Good, but not great. Roughly the same as he was in RS, or slightly worse. I think game 7 has too much impact on how you perceive him. He was fantastic in game 7, IMO the best player on the court, but he didn't impress me that much in the first 6 games (maybe except for game 2).

Post #1130 » by **bondom34** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:20 am

Quotatious wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:The Warriors were started to get a little overrated, so I am kinda glad the Cavs won.

TBH, I hate the Cavs, and I dont like James since he came back to Cleveland (Blatt getting fired was the last straw for me), but I really hate Draymond Green, and I think he is overrated on here, though I do think he played a great finals. But to put things in perspective, if the Warriors had won, which means Green would get FMVP, I am pretty sure people would put Green as their POY, which is absurd to me.

Green had great finals? I wouldn't say that. Good, but not great. Roughly the same as he was in RS, or slightly worse. I think game 7 has too much impact on how you perceive him. He was fantastic in game 7, IMO the best player on the court, but he didn't impress me that much in the first 6 games (maybe except for game 2).

Ultimately, he kinda takes the blame to me for the L. His suspension was huge.

And frankly, I'm glad.

MisterHibachi · Post #1131 » by **MisterHibachi** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:20 am

Quotatious wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:The Warriors were started to get a little overrated, so I am kinda glad the Cavs won.

TBH, I hate the Cavs, and I dont like James since he came back to Cleveland (Blatt getting fired was the last straw for me), but I really hate Draymond Green, and I think he is overrated on here, though I do think he played a great finals. But to put things in perspective, if the Warriors had won, which means Green would get FMVP, I am pretty sure people would put Green as their POY, which is absurd to me.

Green had great finals? I wouldn't say that. Good, but not great. Roughly the same as he was in RS, or slightly worse. I think game 7 has too much impact on how you perceive him. He was fantastic in game 7, IMO the best player on the court, but he didn't impress me that much in the first 6 games (maybe except for game 2).

Huh what

Post #1132 » by **Quotatious** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:21 am

MisterHibachi wrote:
Quotatious wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:The Warriors were started to get a little overrated, so I am kinda glad the Cavs won.

TBH, I hate the Cavs, and I dont like James since he came back to Cleveland (Blatt getting fired was the last straw for me), but I really hate Draymond Green, and I think he is overrated on here, though I do think he played a great finals. But to put things in perspective, if the Warriors had won, which means Green would get FMVP, I am pretty sure people would put Green as their POY, which is absurd to me.

Green had great finals? I wouldn't say that. Good, but not great. Roughly the same as he was in RS, or slightly worse. I think game 7 has too much impact on how you perceive him. He was fantastic in game 7, IMO the best player on the court, but he didn't impress me that much in the first 6 games (maybe except for game 2).

Huh what

What?

JLei · Post #1133 » by **JLei** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:25 am

Quotatious wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:
Quotatious wrote:Green had great finals? I wouldn't say that. Good, but not great. Roughly the same as he was in RS, or slightly worse. I think game 7 has too much impact on how you perceive him. He was fantastic in game 7, IMO the best player on the court, but he didn't impress me that much in the first 6 games (maybe except for game 2).

Huh what

What?

He had the best game for sure. I think Hibachi was just pointing out that he was obviously not the best player on the court.

Post #1134 » by **Quotatious** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:30 am

JLei wrote:
Quotatious wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:
Huh what

What?

He had the best game for sure. I think Hibachi was just pointing out that he was obviously not the best player on the court.

I thought it was clear, lol. LeBron is normally a better player but not in this game. That's what I mean. My history as a poster on this board should make it obvious for everybody that I'm not one of those guys who put Green in their top 3 NBA players this year, for anybody who's paying even just a little attention to my posts. :wink:

Hell, not even top 5 (that would be Curry, LeBron, Westbrook, Kawhi and Durant, Dray might be 6th, though).

JLei · Post #1135 » by **JLei** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:34 am

Quotatious wrote:
JLei wrote:
Quotatious wrote:What?

He had the best game for sure. I think Hibachi was just pointing out that he was obviously not the best player on the court.

I thought it was clear, lol. LeBron is normally a better player but not in this game. That's what I mean. My history as a poster on this board should make it obvious for everybody that I'm not one of those guys who put Green in their top 3 NBA players this year, for anybody who's paying even just a little attention to my posts. Hell, not even top 5 (that would be Curry, LeBron, Westbrook, Kawhi and Durant, Dray might be 6th, though).

Lol I know.

Post #1136 » by **Quotatious** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:36 am

bondom34 wrote:
Quotatious wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:The Warriors were started to get a little overrated, so I am kinda glad the Cavs won.

TBH, I hate the Cavs, and I dont like James since he came back to Cleveland (Blatt getting fired was the last straw for me), but I really hate Draymond Green, and I think he is overrated on here, though I do think he played a great finals. But to put things in perspective, if the Warriors had won, which means Green would get FMVP, I am pretty sure people would put Green as their POY, which is absurd to me.

Green had great finals? I wouldn't say that. Good, but not great. Roughly the same as he was in RS, or slightly worse. I think game 7 has too much impact on how you perceive him. He was fantastic in game 7, IMO the best player on the court, but he didn't impress me that much in the first 6 games (maybe except for game 2).

Ultimately, he kinda takes the blame to me for the L. His suspension was huge.

And frankly, I'm glad.

Yeah, I'm kinda glad, too. I always say that I hate when a playoff series is decided by injuries or suspensions to key players, but Green had it coming for him since the OKC series. If Curry got suspended for throwing his mouthguard, that would be something I would really hate (because of how much out-of-character and trivial that would be), but Green was making dirty plays all over the place for quite some time.

Gotta give him credit for his game 7 performance, although ultimately I agree with you that his suspension may've cost his team the series.

GSP · Post #1137 » by **GSP** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:50 am

After Joe Lacob said his team was light years ahead of the Nba, Warriors went 20-11 and lost the championship in embarrassing fashion.

After Klay said Lebrons feelings were hurt, Cavs won 3 straight with Lebron averaging 36/11.6/9.6/3/3 on .58ts

Sometimes you just have to know when to STFU lol

therealbig3 · Post #1138 » by **therealbig3** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:49 am

JLei wrote:Draymond was absolutely incredible in this game and throughout the entire season. Yet you can argue he basically lost his team an NBA championship.

I'm having a hard time reconciling this from my holistic view (which puts Draymond very high). Because he lost them a title.

I would say Curry had more to do with GS coming up short than Green. He was either awful or just forgettable for 6/7 games. At least when Green played, he played well.

Post #1139 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:52 am

bondom34 wrote:
Quotatious wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:The Warriors were started to get a little overrated, so I am kinda glad the Cavs won.

TBH, I hate the Cavs, and I dont like James since he came back to Cleveland (Blatt getting fired was the last straw for me), but I really hate Draymond Green, and I think he is overrated on here, though I do think he played a great finals. But to put things in perspective, if the Warriors had won, which means Green would get FMVP, I am pretty sure people would put Green as their POY, which is absurd to me.

Green had great finals? I wouldn't say that. Good, but not great. Roughly the same as he was in RS, or slightly worse. I think game 7 has too much impact on how you perceive him. He was fantastic in game 7, IMO the best player on the court, but he didn't impress me that much in the first 6 games (maybe except for game 2).

Ultimately, he kinda takes the blame to me for the L. His suspension was huge.

And frankly, I'm glad.

I know curry didn't have a great finals, and draymond playing in every game doesn't guarantee a championship, but i still can't get over how stupid he was. He was given several chances to clean up his act, and totally blew it. It was inexcusable.

MyUniBroDavis · Post #1140 » by **MyUniBroDavis** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:41 am

I don't understand why they kept on switching iggy away from lebron. It's not that he shuts lebron down, it's that he changes lebrons mentality like kawhi does at times. (From, oh I can get to the rim at will, which I can, to, a more playmaking side) and honestly he got to the rim nearly every time iggy wasn't on him.

Be interesting to see next year. Hopefully curry doesn't have it reoccurring (he couldn't get pass Kevin love ffs, credit to love for his great defense at that moment though).

Lebron was amazing over the past 3 games and even though I was rooting for the Warriors I can't even be mad, props to him, kinda happy for him tbh. No more 2/7 or 2/8 bullcrap, and I guess the Warriors can come back better than ever next year.

I love green, I really do, but he really, really needs to learn how to shut up and calm down. I get it, he needs that intensity, but it got him suspended.

It's been an amazing season. Next year will be interesting. Hoping curry comes back better than Ever. I feel like he really needs to work on his athleticism.

Something though, about the Warriors and being ahead, I think they are in a technology scale, but I don't think they have like a super good training staff or anything, I just get a feeling that their training staff is good in a skills development perspective but not in other things if that makes sense. Curry a huge improvement was in part because of increased quickness and spring in the 2014-2015 sseason but that might have just been because of that special weight routine to fix his ankles and seemed inadvertent.