Trade Idea Thread 15-16

SactoKingsFan · Post #1021 » by **SactoKingsFan** » Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:07 pm

SlayOrNay wrote:What would Denver have to give up for Boogie?

Don't think Denver has the assets for a Cousins trade without a third team.

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SacKingZZZ · Post #1022 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:01 pm

psimanic1 wrote:What would Denver have to give up for Ben?

Just threaten to take Hield at 7 and demand Ben and the Kings pick in return. :lol:

Post #1023 » by **City of Trees** » Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:05 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:
psimanic1 wrote:What would Denver have to give up for Ben?

Just threaten to take Hield at 7 and demand Ben and the Kings pick in return.

I'm trying to figure out why Denver needs Ben McLemore? Can I phone a friend in Denver?

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teerfour+40LG · Post #1024 » by **teerfour+40LG** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:19 am

psimanic1 wrote:What would Denver have to give up for Ben?

Kings might be interested in DJ Augustin. Joerger might make them interested in Darrell Arthur.

c3j3h · Post #1025 » by **c3j3h** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:52 am

dozencousins wrote:I will say this . Though I am not implying by any means Rose gets dealt to us he has $21,323,252 remaining for 1 season . I agree with others he is on a serious decline and a risk . That said first we need more defensive minded players and second more players that create more points than turnovers on the plus minus category if we gain in production in these 2 categories we will gain alot more wins and be a much better team .

Next if you get Rose if we are smart we get back that future # 1 pick owed and that is a big to our future draft & trade abilities if needs be . He could play like a rock star and their is no way us or any team resigns him to any new deal even close to what he makes now so we either get him resigned far cheaper if he plays well & shows promise to his health or we cut ties and have his $23 plus million as cap space for the following season .

We also gain by though trading some of our defensive & turn over prone liabilities we gain by them no longer being a King . That allows us to have roster spots for more team orientated , more defensive minded and less turn over prone type players . That is a gain of taking on a possible minus to rid yourselves of multiple liability type players and gaining roster spots for the type of players you want that fit these descriptions and again if Rose doesn't work out you deal with it for the 1 season and you gain later plus I am sure he could be bought out at the trade deadline of it came down to that . There is the general logic from the Kings perspective of why you would consider trading for Rose .

The thought of the Kings trading for Rose scares me to death. As if the Rondo experiment wasn't bad enough, now they want to double down with a guy that's even worse than Rondo right now?

The part about the cap space seems like a really silly idea to me. The Kings have NEVER brought in a big name Free Agent to Sacramento in 30+ years of basketball here. Why would they need to give up yet another major asset (I'm assuming in this scenario we would be trading the #8 pick and taking back Rose in order to get next year's pick back?) to clear more Cap Space?!? Do they think they're going to get Westbrook next summer or something? Cap Space is only valuable if it's in the right hands, and nothing this Front Office has done has me convinced that they could even use that $23 Million properly.

Instead of constantly giving up young assets that we have long-term control over in order to bring in aging veterans, why don't they just rebuild the right way? Just one time. Keep the young assets, but just use them properly. We can control a 1st round pick for up to 9 years! Why give that up without even giving it a chance so they can rent a guy that is CLEARLY washed up due to multiple catastrophic injuries for ONE season? Derrick Rose is not going to put this team on his shoulders and carry them to the playoffs. In fact, there's a pretty good chance that he played the Bulls out of the playoffs this season.

And if they are so concerned with getting our 2017 1st back, then why the hell did they trade away an Uprotected 1st in 2019!!?!? That's probably the most bizarre part about any potential Chicago trade that I haven't seen discussed. There are so many rumors swirling around about the Kings getting our pick back from Chicago. Nobody can tell me why they are so concerned about it now, when not even a year ago they gave away an Unprotected pick in a Draft that could very well prove to be MUCH more valuable than the 2017 pick AND they gave up swap rights for 2016 and 2017!!! If they are concerned enough about it that they will pay a hefty price to get it back (and if Chicago is as smart as I think they are they WILL get max value for the pick rights), then what the hell was that Philly trade all about?

Bottom line is that these guys scare me. I like Vlade a lot, and he seems to be having a great start to this summer, but I am not confident at all in his ability to make big moves like this right now. I am also not confident in Vivek's savvy (or lack thereof) as an owner to keep himself out of the basketball OPS side. I feel like Vivek would want a big NAME like Rose to open up his new arena and would disregard the fact that Derrick Rose is no longer the Derrick Rose we all used to love. Basically, these guys making big moves gives me serious anxiety as a fan. Please just scout properly (for one time as a franchise let's avoid the whole Jimmer Fredette over Kawhi/Klay thing this time), find the right guy at #8 or trade down for more assets. Don't overthink it. Don't convince yourselves you're smarter than the rest of the NBA and do something crazy or splashy. Just be smart!!!

Sorry for the rant. Not directed at you, unless you're telling your source that we should acquire Derrick Rose

I just hope the Front Office gets it's **** together. I'm tired of watching this team lose, but I would much rather see them lose smart than lose dumb. Mortgaging the future for a team that wins 33 games is really stupid. I would much rather make smart, shrewd moves and win 23 games.

c3j3h · Post #1026 » by **c3j3h** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:53 am

If Larry Bird trades Paul George for a deal centered around Rudy Gay and the #8 pick, then I think he's officially lost his mind.

blind prophet · Post #1027 » by **blind prophet** » Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:00 am

As expected JR opting out. Depending on what he wants, and the CAVS are willing, the lure of McLemore cheap and restricted and KK when Mozgov becomes a free agent may be possible if they want to move Shump.

sacking123 · Post #1028 » by **sacking123** » Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:47 pm

c3j3h wrote:
dozencousins wrote: .

The thought of the Kings trading for Rose scares me to death. As if the Rondo experiment wasn't bad enough, now they want to double down with a guy that's even worse than Rondo right now?

The part about the cap space seems like a really silly idea to me. The Kings have NEVER brought in a big name Free Agent to Sacramento in 30+ years of basketball here. Why would they need to give up yet another major asset (I'm assuming in this scenario we would be trading the #8 pick and taking back Rose in order to get next year's pick back?) to clear more Cap Space?!? Do they think they're going to get Westbrook next summer or something? Cap Space is only valuable if it's in the right hands, and nothing this Front Office has done has me convinced that they could even use that $23 Million properly.

Instead of constantly giving up young assets that we have long-term control over in order to bring in aging veterans, why don't they just rebuild the right way? Just one time. Keep the young assets, but just use them properly. We can control a 1st round pick for up to 9 years! Why give that up without even giving it a chance so they can rent a guy that is CLEARLY washed up due to multiple catastrophic injuries for ONE season? Derrick Rose is not going to put this team on his shoulders and carry them to the playoffs. In fact, there's a pretty good chance that he played the Bulls out of the playoffs this season.

And if they are so concerned with getting our 2017 1st back, then why the hell did they trade away an Uprotected 1st in 2019!!?!? That's probably the most bizarre part about any potential Chicago trade that I haven't seen discussed. There are so many rumors swirling around about the Kings getting our pick back from Chicago. Nobody can tell me why they are so concerned about it now, when not even a year ago they gave away an Unprotected pick in a Draft that could very well prove to be MUCH more valuable than the 2017 pick AND they gave up swap rights for 2016 and 2017!!! If they are concerned enough about it that they will pay a hefty price to get it back (and if Chicago is as smart as I think they are they WILL get max value for the pick rights), then what the hell was that Philly trade all about?

Bottom line is that these guys scare me. I like Vlade a lot, and he seems to be having a great start to this summer, but I am not confident at all in his ability to make big moves like this right now. I am also not confident in Vivek's savvy (or lack thereof) as an owner to keep himself out of the basketball OPS side. I feel like Vivek would want a big NAME like Rose to open up his new arena and would disregard the fact that Derrick Rose is no longer the Derrick Rose we all used to love. Basically, these guys making big moves gives me serious anxiety as a fan. Please just scout properly (for one time as a franchise let's avoid the whole Jimmer Fredette over Kawhi/Klay thing this time), find the right guy at #8 or trade down for more assets. Don't overthink it. Don't convince yourselves you're smarter than the rest of the NBA and do something crazy or splashy. Just be smart!!!

Sorry for the rant. Not directed at you, unless you're telling your source that we should acquire Derrick Rose I just hope the Front Office gets it's **** together. I'm tired of watching this team lose, but I would much rather see them lose smart than lose dumb. Mortgaging the future for a team that wins 33 games is really stupid. I would much rather make smart, shrewd moves and win 23 games.

I'm not really sure how many big trades or vets they will be bringing in, I believe it will only come via FA. If you look back to DJ press conference when he was signed he said how much he and Vlade were on the same page and also commented that it was time to develop and coach the players that are here.
Obviously he doesn't mean they will go in with the same roster or anything, however I believe that KK and possibly Marco would be in the firing line.
I'm not sure on DJ relationship with Gay was either (were they both even in Memphis at the same time?) but I would think he is in the firing line too.
I could really see them trading KK/Marco for an underperforming young player and then drafting BPA (SG) and making sure the young players WCS, Ben, Traded for young player, #8 and Curry are developed the right way.
Sign the best possible wing you can get even if its an overpay for 2-3 years and we will have a deep team next season. All we really need to find is that #2 scorer.

c3j3h · Post #1029 » by **c3j3h** » Sat Jun 18, 2016 2:00 am

They really need some quality defenders as well.

dozencousins · Post #1030 » by **dozencousins** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:38 pm

Here is some draft & trade info update :

First in regards to draft not much had changed from my post quit awhile ago about that . We are wanting Dunn or Hield .
We are not expected to move up we will either stay as we are or trade down or out .

Via inside source :
As far as trades or whom has been mentioned via other teams to us as of late & some are more of the same as before .

Pacers : Paul George
Bulls : D.Rose
76ers : Are trying to get our 8th as the Bulls are in deals were we get our future rights back & we move down in the draft to gain our future right back .

More recently :

Hawks are exploring J.Teauge to the Kings I have not heard of exactly what yet I know Mac has been mentioned as likely part of it though .

Bucks heard of a possible Gay & Koufas for Monroe & M.Carter Williams in some kind of deal . Though I personally like Monroe I am not sure it would work with Cousins and WCS . I feel WCS will get and needs as well as deserves more minutes next season and unless we were willing to trade Cousins which I don't think will happen then it would not make a ton of sense to me .
( I do not think it happens just My opinion though )

Celtics are aside from interested in Cousins are showing interest in Gay , Koufas & Benny Mac have explored trading some of their pics in a deal .
Dever , Houston & Pelicans are showing interest in Gay as well .

Marco is getting alot of interest as all solid shooters via NBA are held in high regard .
Koufas , Gay , Mac & Darren are all talked about .

I will not say we will do this or that as of yet for sure but I fully expect we will be pulling off at least 2 trades between now and 5 days after the draft . Their is more chatter this off season than that I had heard of the past two years in regards to our Kings .
This could be just because the cap is rising a lot more or any other reason you can think of but I can say I am getting really anxious myself . Kings will not be major players via free agency unless we grossly over pay players and I do not expect that at all .We will have to trade smartly & or sign whatever free agent scraps that are left over smartly .

SacKingZZZ · Post #1031 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:55 pm

Monroe? Seriously? I don't know about that one, but I guess you could say it would be similar to the double post up combo Joerger had in Memphis. As a 3 big and I mean BIG man lineup it could work with Willie since he can play with either of them. A 3 big rotation leaves plenty of minutes for the 3rd wheel.

If they can move Marco they need to do it. Same with Kosta.

Post #1032 » by **City of Trees** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 8:47 pm

Ryan Anderson at 17 mil per year or Monroe at the same price? Who you got? One benefit of trading for Monroe is you move Koufus' contract. With Anderson you get a logjam .

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PaKwAn · Post #1033 » by **PaKwAn** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:36 pm

i would take anderson at the same price.. i don't think moving kosta is that hard,he is still a solid big that teams would love to have...

Jkam31 · Post #1034 » by **Jkam31** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:00 pm

Guys Monroe was alright coming off the bench in Milwaukee so he'd be doing that here. DMC gets 34mpg WCS 31mpg Monroe 31mpg Monroe and DMC would only share the floor 15mpg. Having a #1 option like Monroe off the bench is huge. If the deal is Gay/KK for Monroe/MCW we'd still have money to sign Bazemore or Lee and than Matt Barnes. I think Brown will be ours at 8 so he'd be groomed to take over from Barnes in 2 years

Teague/Collison
Bazemore/Marco
Barnes/Brown
WCS/Casspi
DMC/Monroe

Hopefully we'd be able to flip MCW/8 for Jeff Teague

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Jkam31 · Post #1035 » by **Jkam31** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:02 pm

I also Love the team involved with Gay...

Houston: try to get a package if Ariza and Beverly

Denver: I'd trade Gay/Ben for Gallanari. And I'd target Wilson Chandler as well

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skywalker33 · Post #1036 » by **skywalker33** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:47 am

Jkam31 wrote:I also Love the team involved with Gay...

Denver: I'd trade Gay/Ben for Gallanari. And I'd target Wilson Chandler as well

Can't see DEN having any interest in this honestly.

skywalker33 · Post #1037 » by **skywalker33** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:49 am

psimanic1 wrote:What would Denver have to give up for Ben?

Their sanity ???

Jkam31 · Post #1038 » by **Jkam31** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:19 am

skywalker33 wrote:
Jkam31 wrote:I also Love the team involved with Gay...

Denver: I'd trade Gay/Ben for Gallanari. And I'd target Wilson Chandler as well

Can't see DEN having any interest in this honestly.

I actually agree but maybe we can sell them on Gay/Ben for Chandler than bring Ryan Anderson home and sign Eric Gordon to a short term prove it deal.

Gordon/Chandler/Anderson and we instantly become a great shooting team.

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SacKingZZZ · Post #1039 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:50 am

skywalker33 wrote:
Jkam31 wrote:I also Love the team involved with Gay...

Denver: I'd trade Gay/Ben for Gallanari. And I'd target Wilson Chandler as well

Can't see DEN having any interest in this honestly.

Good, because that deal would be pretty bad for the Kings. Seriously, Rudy Gay is starting to get criminally underrated these days. :lol:

raferfenix · Post #1040 » by **raferfenix** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:49 pm

dozencousins wrote:Bucks heard of a possible Gay & Koufas for Monroe & M.Carter Williams in some kind of deal . Though I personally like Monroe I am not sure it would work with Cousins and WCS . I feel WCS will get and needs as well as deserves more minutes next season and unless we were willing to trade Cousins which I don't think will happen then it would not make a ton of sense to me .
( I do not think it happens just My opinion though )

As always thanks for the info, especially insofar as my Bucks are concerned!

Not sure how much Milwaukee would value Gay since him and Jabari would struggle to defend the perimeter.

If this were to come to pass would Rudy be going to a 3rd team do you think? Believe you said before the trade deadline that there were Gay talks with the Bucks where he would be going elsewhere.

On the Kings front, Joerger did have success with big lineups in Memphis, but I certainly understand Rudy Gay would be a lot to give up here.

In theory Enes Kanter's success off the bench for OKC might embolden Vlade to make this kind of move. Monroe also could be considered Cousins insurance in case Sacramento gets an offer you can't refuse as well.