2016 Draft Thread Part 4

[8on]

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pfffff. Dejounte looks great. i don't think he'll slip to 13, but he might be seriously underrated. like two clicks south of Devin Booker underrated. wouldn't mind that one bit

[bwgood77]

IF, McD goes with Chriss. My gut says he'll be sacked this time next year. Edit: Sarver sacks him no matter who they pick. Lol

No reason not to give McDonough the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the draft. I'll keep an open mind on whomever they end up selecting.

Let's face it, this team ain't gonna win many games next season. Sarver is impatient. My money says McD is gone sooner than later.

I don't think anything is out of the realm of possibility. I never would have thought Portland would have done well. I think the main reason it will be tough though is that the west is just going to get tougher with the other young teams like Utah, Minnesota and Denver.

[SkinnyOMiller]

IF, McD goes with Chriss. My gut says he'll be sacked this time next year. Edit: Sarver sacks him no matter who they pick. Lol

No reason not to give McDonough the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the draft. I'll keep an open mind on whomever they end up selecting.

Let's face it, this team ain't gonna win many games next season. Sarver is impatient. My money says McD is gone sooner than later.

Sorry, don't agree. I think McDonough is being given the benefit of the doubt and as long as the younger players keep making progress and whomever he drafts doesn't fall flat on his face, I think McDonough sticks around. McDonough has made some mistakes, namely the whole Isaiah Thomas debacle but he has also been adding young talent and building well through the draft despite not having a bunch of really high draft picks.


The team certainly has to show progress out on the court, which if healthy, I think we will see. Having Bledsoe, a more experienced Booker, Warren, Len, Chandler + whoever the Suns draft should lead to improvement over last season, especially with the whole Markieff Morris saga and Hornacek's status being up in the air.

[bwgood77]

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pfffff. Dejounte looks great. i don't think he'll slip to 13, but he might be seriously underrated. like two clicks south of Devin Booker underrated. wouldn't mind that one bit

I think the Jazz take him.

[JoRain]

IMO a bouncier Marvin Williams with shot blocking minus intangibles isn't Chriss's floor. He could very well end up being Stromile Swift with a jumper

Just like Bender's floor is Jan Vesely.

Just like Hield's floor is Jimmer.

Just like Murray's floor is Jerryd Bayless.

I mean, this draft is sorely lacking in high-end prospects. There are exactly two. Everyone from 3-8 has a significant flaw in their game and 8-35 is an absolute cluster.

Chriss and Bender have the highest ceilings in my opinion. The "winner" of this draft is going to be the team that can coach up one of those two.

Bender's floor is definitely not Vesely. Just because of his skills and BBIQ his floor I think something like Motejunas. Other than that, you're spot on.

Also, after watching some Washington's games, I wan't Chriss even less. Despite his shooting ability and athleticism, I fear he might not even be a good offensive player in NBA, not even mentioning the defense. His BBIQ on both ends of the floor is terrible. He doesn't feel his teammates and has no idea of spacing. He follows the ball even if it's on the other side of the court and looses all perception on things around him, like his teammates cutting or getting out for 3 and quite a few times is in their way. Also, after screens he often doesn't make himself available to ball handler neither rolling out for a popping out for a 3 nor cutting to basket, just doesn't do anything and get's caught in the middle, forcing his ball handler to take it himself. The same thing on defense, he get's caught too much watching the ball with no awareness of what's happening around him, which is another reason he's such a bad defensive rebounder and why he finds himself out of position almost all the time, making stupid fouls trying to recover, if you can call it that. Not sure at all that you can teach a feel for the game or awareness on both ends of the floor, especially with things happening so fast in modern NBA. So, despite all his tools and shooting, I am not confident at all, that he can make it in the league, at the very least, he's a very long term project. So I hope the Suns pass on him at 4.

on the other hand, as somebody mentioned, Suns aren't winning anything anytime soon, so wouldn't be the biggest tragedy if we took him - could help getting better lottery picks in the future, but damn it would be frustrating.

[bwgood77]

IMO a bouncier Marvin Williams with shot blocking minus intangibles isn't Chriss's floor. He could very well end up being Stromile Swift with a jumper

Just like Bender's floor is Jan Vesely.

Just like Hield's floor is Jimmer.

Just like Murray's floor is Jerryd Bayless.

I mean, this draft is sorely lacking in high-end prospects. There are exactly two. Everyone from 3-8 has a significant flaw in their game and 8-35 is an absolute cluster.

Chriss and Bender have the highest ceilings in my opinion. The "winner" of this draft is going to be the team that can coach up one of those two.

Bender's floor is definitely not Vesely. Just because of his skills and BBIQ his floor I think something like Motejunas. Other than that, you're spot on.

Also, after watching some Washington's games, I wan't Chriss even less. Despite his shooting ability and athleticism, I fear he might not even be a good offensive player in NBA, not even mentioning the defense. His BBIQ on both ends of the floor is terrible. He doesn't feel his teammates and has no idea of spacing. He follows the ball even if it's on the other side of the court and looses all perception on things around him, like his teammates cutting or getting out for 3 and quite a few times is in their way. Also, after screens he often doesn't make himself available to ball handler neither rolling out for a popping out for a 3 nor cutting to basket, just doesn't do anything and get's caught in the middle, forcing his ball handler to take it himself. The same thing on defense, he get's caught too much watching the ball with no awareness of what's happening around him, which is another reason he's such a bad defensive rebounder and why he finds himself out of position almost all the time, making stupid fouls trying to recover, if you can call it that. Not sure at all that you can teach a feel for the game or awareness on both ends of the floor, especially with things happening so fast in modern NBA. So, despite all his tools and shooting, I am not confident at all, that he can make it in the league, at the very least, he's a very long term project. So I hope the Suns pass on him at 4.

on the other hand, as somebody mentioned, Suns aren't winning anything anytime soon, so wouldn't be the biggest tragedy if we took him - could help getting better lottery picks in the future, but damn it would be frustrating.

Who do you want at 4 if Bender is off the board?

[Kerrsed]

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[bwgood77]

No reason not to give McDonough the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the draft. I'll keep an open mind on whomever they end up selecting.

Let's face it, this team ain't gonna win many games next season. Sarver is impatient. My money says McD is gone sooner than later.

Sorry, don't agree. I think McDonough is being given the benefit of the doubt and as long as the younger players keep making progress and whomever he drafts doesn't fall flat on his face, I think McDonough sticks around. McDonough has made some mistakes, namely the whole Isaiah Thomas debacle but he has also been adding young talent and building well through the draft despite not having a bunch of really high draft picks.


The team certainly has to show progress out on the court, which if healthy, I think we will see. Having Bledsoe, a more experienced Booker, Warren, Len, Chandler + whoever the Suns draft should lead to improvement over last season, especially with the whole Markieff Morris saga and Hornacek's status being up in the air.

Hopefully Sarver will just learn his lesson that making changes for the sake of change so often is NOT good. I mean it's been this way from the beginning. Had he just kept the 2004-2005 team together we might have a title. Even if he would have just kept Marion and D'Antoni. The revolving door of GMs and coaches doesn't do anyone any good. Or even kept Amare (this one I understand most) but he could have given us at least two more good years with Nash and after that turns into a decent role player or someone probably would have traded SOMETHING for him...some desperate team. Those final Nash years here were such a waste of his talent.

[JMac1]

Coro's mock has us taking Bender. Not sure how much insight he has.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2016/06/16/nba-mock-draft-paul-coros-second-edition/85975976/

Chad Ford just said that Bender is more pro ready and better than Chriss in shooting, rebounding, passing and some other things, but Sarver isn't patient and Mc'D job might be on the line, but in the same vein, says we ought to pick Chriss because of his upside!?!

Why would we pick a risky guy who could only be a little better than Bender if he hits his ceiling? Chad Ford has an infatuation with Chriss, not us.


Doesn't make sense.

[bwgood77]

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Damn this is a dumb time to trade 28 unless you can get a first next year, even if protected, or a young player with upside locked into a few more years. But why not use that pick to add one of the most valuable contracts in the league...a locked in rookie deal at the end of the sliding scale...and you control for 9 years if you want. They just better not sell it.

[NTB]

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Lol this is stupid. Marion was an elite rebounder.

[bwgood77]

Coro's mock has us taking Bender. Not sure how much insight he has.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2016/06/16/nba-mock-draft-paul-coros-second-edition/85975976/

Chad Ford just said that Bender is more pro ready and better than Chriss in shooting, rebounding, passing and some other things, but Sarver isn't patient and Mc'D job might be on the line, but in the same vein, says we ought to pick Chriss because of his upside!?!

Why would we pick a risky guy who could only be a little better than Bender if he hits his ceiling? Chad Ford has an infatuation with Chriss, not us.

Doesn't make sense.

I don't understand why he thinks he has more upside either.

Honestly though, if Sarver has any influence I wouldn't be surprised if he see's Amare flashbacks and trys to influence McD somehow into taking Chriss. He's probably convinced himself he will be an immediate star next year or something.

[NTB]

http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2016/6/20/11974116/nba-mock-draft-phoenix-suns-select-jaylen-brown-after-three-team-trade?_ga=1.71303379.1342160743.1465774243

[Dr Manute]

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I'll take the #6 for Brandon Knight, please.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

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Tyson for #20? It would have to be part of a larger deal, as we couldn't keep that pick.

Or Tyson for #20 and Ellis? Meh. Might be an option if we're trading Knight.

All take the #6 for Brandon Knight, please.

Indiana gets: Chandler, #34
New Orleans gets: Knight, #20
Phoenix gets: Ellis, #6

[Saberestar]

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Lol this is stupid. Marion was an elite rebounder.

Yeah, that is ridiculous.
It is just not rebounding...it is motor, to be active and passion for the game.

[Cactus Jack]

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Damn this is a dumb time to trade 28 unless you can get a first next year, even if protected, or a young player with upside locked into a few more years. But why not use that pick to add one of the most valuable contracts in the league...a locked in rookie deal at the end of the sliding scale...and you control for 9 years if you want. They just better not sell it.

Sarver disagrees

[JMac1]

Coro's mock has us taking Bender. Not sure how much insight he has.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2016/06/16/nba-mock-draft-paul-coros-second-edition/85975976/

Chad Ford just said that Bender is more pro ready and better than Chriss in shooting, rebounding, passing and some other things, but Sarver isn't patient and Mc'D job might be on the line, but in the same vein, says we ought to pick Chriss because of his upside!?!

Why would we pick a risky guy who could only be a little better than Bender if he hits his ceiling? Chad Ford has an infatuation with Chriss, not us.

Doesn't make sense.

I don't understand why he thinks he has more upside either.

Honestly though, if Sarver has any influence I wouldn't be surprised if he see's Amare flashbacks and trys to influence McD somehow into taking Chriss. He's probably convinced himself he will be an immediate star next year or something.

He is more athletic. But I don't think his athleticism will help him all that much. It isn't like he is going to become a go to scorer. He will black shots and possibly rebound more, but Bender length will help him close that possible difference IMO. Every rebound and block shot isn't about extreme athleticism, heck it is more often just being taller and smarter on the floor. How often is some one rebounding by jumping out of the gym vs how many rebounds are from knowing where to be on the court. How many shots are blocked without player even leaving the floor, hell, you are taught not to leave your feet. Maybe that is why Chriss is always in foul trouble. He will be a better help side defender though.

[bwgood77]

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Lol this is stupid. Marion was an elite rebounder.

That is pretty stupid because of the rebounding thing, especially since Marion was a better rebounder than Amare.

But I somewhat agree that Marion is a better comparison. I think their offensive rebounding is similar, and the perimeter defense (potential of Chriss due to quickness) could be similar, plus Marion could hit the 3 and block shots.

Amare probably the better comp for interior defense and the fact they are coming into the league at a similar age and seem more raw. But Amare was a good player at least at his strengths right off the bat.

The thing with a guy like Chriss is that you would want to put him in lineups where his strengths could be emphasized, going against a small ball team where he can switch onto quick guards and keep up with them, and play him with good rebounding other forwards like Len/Chandler and Tucker/Warren. Tucker probably better to play with due to defense and being the better defensive rebounder, whereas Warren's rebounding strength is at the offensive end.

Though Warren/Chriss could be interesting against a team like the Warriors because teams all year would immediately get to transition defense after shooting in fear of a fast break, but OKC just crashed the offensive boards instead which really took GS out of their game and fast break ability...plus Russ could crash the offensive boards and still catch up on the other end for a block....much like LeBron could and I imagine Chriss might be good at this if he was a decent offensive rebounder.

The good thing is that we FINALLY have a good rebounding team so that weakness doesn't matter as much as it otherwise would.

[Kerrsed]

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Lol this is stupid. Marion was an elite rebounder.

I wouldnt classify Marion as an elite rebounder, but he was a good rebounder for his position (SF) and Amare was only a decent rebounder for his position (PF).