The Trade/Free Agency Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 2

[Damkac]

So in case Suns get guard with 4th:
Bledsoe for 6th or Knight + 13th for 6th

Just when I thought the Pastor couldn't get any cringier he finds a way to outdo himself. Lets chant the mantra of mediocrity

Nothing is good enough for you lol every prospect sucks, our front office sucks, our players suck, our coaches suck, everything to you is just awful. Suns fans are pessimistic but you're borderline existential.

And Len suck x2

[letsgosuns]

Gary Tanguay ‏@Gary_Tanguay 6m6 minutes ago
Celts and Sixers trade talk heats up. Philly really really wants Dunn per Tim Welsch. @CSNNE

[Damkac]

Bender is coming here

[saintEscaton]

So in case Suns get guard with 4th:
Bledsoe for 6th or Knight + 13th for 6th

Just when I thought the Pastor couldn't get any cringier he finds a way to outdo himself. Lets chant the mantra of mediocrity

Nothing is good enough for you lol every prospect sucks, our front office sucks, our players suck, our coaches suck, everything to you is just awful. Suns fans are pessimistic but you're borderline existential.

And Len suck x2

He does. And its not even up for debate. The last center in his class taken in a redraft. A project big who may not even turn into a serviceable starter

[Saberestar]

Bender is coming here

[bwgood77]

So in case Suns get guard with 4th:
Bledsoe for 6th or Knight + 13th for 6th

Nothing is good enough for you lol every prospect sucks, our front office sucks, our players suck, our coaches suck, everything to you is just awful. Suns fans are pessimistic but you're borderline existential.

And Len suck x2

He does. And its not even up for debate. The last center in his class taken in a redraft. A project big who may not even turn into a serviceable starter

It might be good to take Deyonta Davis if he can play C at 13 for this reason, especially if we take Chriss. He's kind of got the opposite skills of Chriss and a better rebounder than Bender I think and can play some at the 5 eventually.

The intrigue around Davis starts with his tremendous physical profile, which is simply ideal for a modern day NBA big man. He stands 6'10 with a 7'2 wingspan and a big standing reach, to go along with an excellent 240 pound frame that will continue to fill out nicely in time. Davis is also a terrific athlete, smooth, agile and highly fluid, running the floor exceptionally well, with great quickness and the ability to elevate effortlessly around the rim in the blink of an eye.

Offensively, Davis was far from a prolific scorer for Michigan State, lacking the strength to assert himself consistently inside the post, but also an advanced skill-level outside of it. He does not possess a sophisticated post game, as his footwork and countermoves are rudimentary, particularly utilizing his left hand, and he often looks rushed trying to create his own offense.

With that said, Davis found ways to be effective in a very compact role throughout the season, showing just enough glimpses to lead you to believe that he won't be just a non-scoring, defensive oriented, hustle guy down the track. His excellent hands, soft touch and tremendous physical tools make him an extremely reliable finisher. He catches everything thrown his way, and is so quick off his feet that he's very difficult for opposing big men to contest, making him an outstanding target off cuts and pick and rolls, and also a reliable option for lobs. His reach and effortless bounce allows him to finish plays almost without jumping, and he has just enough of a right-handed jump-hook that he can throw the ball in the basket inside the paint from interesting vantage points.

Davis' touch, and solid shooting mechanics, lead you to believe that he may be able to develop the range on his jumper as his career progresses as well. That will be important, as otherwise he may be relegated to a role as strictly an undersized rim-running center in today's NBA.

The best attributes Davis offers at this point likely revolve around his defense. He's quick and agile enough to stay in front of pretty much any power forward, and should be able to add enough bulk to his excellent frame to hold his own as a small-ball center in time. He has great potential as a pick and roll defender, already showing terrific flashes stepping out and switching onto guards and wings, covering ground and moving his feet with excellent lateral quickness, and being difficult to shoot over with the way he contests looks on the perimeter. He blocks an impressive 4.1 shots per-40 minutes this season as well, many on the ball, while showing the ability to develop into an excellent rim-protector in time.

Davis also rebounded very effectively as a freshman, more so offensively than defensively, but nevertheless showed impressive flashes on both ends that could lead to even better results as he continues to add bulk to his excellent frame. He is quick to the ball, and has great hands, often going out of his area and getting off his feet before other big men can react. While his intensity level was inconsistent at times in other areas, he rebounded with great purpose throughout the year, which should give him an immediate role early on in his career when combined with ability to contribute defensively.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Deyonta-Davis-81960/

I kind of doubt McD will take two PFs at 4 and 13 because he has talked about not doubling up in the draft at a position before. I think he's gonna take Murray if he is there or maybe a wing, but I have a feeling PG. I can't remember if we worked out Baldwin.

I'd love to get Bender and Davis though and add that length, or if we take Chriss, their athletic ability together with him and Davis.

[NTB]

http://arizonasports.com/story/705896/nba-draft-suns-trade-4th-spot-younger-vet/

[dremill24]

I actually think the opposite about Davis' position. I feel like right now he's a 5, due to his limited offensive game. And his potential position is 4, if he can develop some consistent ball skills.

[darealjuice]

http://arizonasports.com/story/705896/nba-draft-suns-trade-4th-spot-younger-vet/

*Sees Chad Ford is the source*
*Closes tab*

[WeekapaugGroove]

http://arizonasports.com/story/705896/nba-draft-suns-trade-4th-spot-younger-vet/

I'll hold judgment until I see a deal but there's a very real chance Sarver directs some idiotic win now **** and I'll have to take a break from this team for a while.

I grew up in Wisconsin so was a bucks fan as a kid but took a few year break from them after trading Harris for 3 months of Reddick. It was just one dumb win now move too many and I hit my breaking point. I still hate Hammond their gm but have slowing come back as a fan. I really hope the suns don't drive me away too.

[jcsunsfan]

http://arizonasports.com/story/705896/nba-draft-suns-trade-4th-spot-younger-vet/

Not a fan.

[Cactus Jack]

http://arizonasports.com/story/705896/nba-draft-suns-trade-4th-spot-younger-vet/

I'll hold judgment until I see a deal but there's a very real chance Sarver directs some idiotic win now **** and I'll have to take a break from this team for a while.

I grew up in Wisconsin so was a bucks fan as a kid but took a few year break from them after trading Harris for 3 months of Reddick. It was just one dumb win now move too many and I hit my breaking point. I still hate Hammond their gm but have slowing come back as a fan. I really hope the suns don't drive me away too.

I took the same stance with the Mariners & baseball as a whole. Thank God for Pete Carroll!!:D

[lilfishi22]

Barnes was epically bad the last 3 games but a 4/48 with this ridiculous rising cap wouldn't be bad at all, IMO.

I hate the idea of $12m going to Barnes, a player who has proven my point that he doesn't do enough to be worthy of a fat contract this off-season but it would be irresponsible for me to say, I don't want Barnes for a sack of potatoes. To me, he's a younger, more athletic and longer PJ Tucker. He defends well, occasionally can hit a 3 and he slashes fairly well. For $12m a year in a rising salary cap situation, I think it's probably an OK deal.

Tucker signed his $16.5m/3yr extension which amounts to:
Year 1: 9.1% of salary cap
Year 2: 7.8% of salary cap
Year 3: 5.6% of salary cap.
Average : 7.2% of salary cap over 3yrs

If Barnes signed to a 4/48, his deal should amount to roughly 12% a year, which would be palatable

[lilfishi22]

http://arizonasports.com/story/705896/nba-draft-suns-trade-4th-spot-younger-vet/

Not a fan.

Being totally underwhelmed with our draft position and the talent level drop after #1/#2, I would be open to this. That said, this has to be a good offer. I don't want another disappointing Brandon Knight situation and I would not mind taking a punt on a Bender or Brown etc.

[saintEscaton]

Barnes was epically bad the last 3 games but a 4/48 with this ridiculous rising cap wouldn't be bad at all, IMO.

I hate the idea of $12m going to Barnes, a player who has proven my point that he doesn't do enough to be worthy of a fat contract this off-season but it would be irresponsible for me to say, I don't want Barnes for a sack of potatoes. To me, he's a younger, more athletic and longer PJ Tucker. He defends well, occasionally can hit a 3 and he slashes fairly well. For $12m a year in a rising salary cap situation, I think it's probably an OK deal.

Tucker signed his $16.5m/3yr extension which amounts to:
Year 1: 9.1% of salary cap
Year 2: 7.8% of salary cap
Year 3: 5.6% of salary cap.
Average : 7.2% of salary cap over 3yrs

If Barnes signed to a 4/48, his deal should amount to roughly 12% a year, which would be palatable

If we are going that direction, Bazemore>>> Barnes hands down IMO

[RaisingArizona]

http://arizonasports.com/story/705896/nba-draft-suns-trade-4th-spot-younger-vet/

*Sees Chad Ford is the source*
*Closes tab*

[lilfishi22]

Barnes was epically bad the last 3 games but a 4/48 with this ridiculous rising cap wouldn't be bad at all, IMO.

I hate the idea of $12m going to Barnes, a player who has proven my point that he doesn't do enough to be worthy of a fat contract this off-season but it would be irresponsible for me to say, I don't want Barnes for a sack of potatoes. To me, he's a younger, more athletic and longer PJ Tucker. He defends well, occasionally can hit a 3 and he slashes fairly well. For $12m a year in a rising salary cap situation, I think it's probably an OK deal.

Tucker signed his $16.5m/3yr extension which amounts to:
Year 1: 9.1% of salary cap
Year 2: 7.8% of salary cap
Year 3: 5.6% of salary cap.
Average : 7.2% of salary cap over 3yrs

If Barnes signed to a 4/48, his deal should amount to roughly 12% a year, which would be palatable

If we are going that direction, Bazemore>>> Barnes hands down IMO

I'm down with that.

[AtheJ415]

So in case Suns get guard with 4th:
Bledsoe for 6th or Knight + 13th for 6th


And Len suck x2

He does. And its not even up for debate. The last center in his class taken in a redraft. A project big who may not even turn into a serviceable starter

It might be good to take Deyonta Davis if he can play C at 13 for this reason, especially if we take Chriss. He's kind of got the opposite skills of Chriss and a better rebounder than Bender I think and can play some at the 5 eventually.

The intrigue around Davis starts with his tremendous physical profile, which is simply ideal for a modern day NBA big man. He stands 6'10 with a 7'2 wingspan and a big standing reach, to go along with an excellent 240 pound frame that will continue to fill out nicely in time. Davis is also a terrific athlete, smooth, agile and highly fluid, running the floor exceptionally well, with great quickness and the ability to elevate effortlessly around the rim in the blink of an eye.

Offensively, Davis was far from a prolific scorer for Michigan State, lacking the strength to assert himself consistently inside the post, but also an advanced skill-level outside of it. He does not possess a sophisticated post game, as his footwork and countermoves are rudimentary, particularly utilizing his left hand, and he often looks rushed trying to create his own offense.

With that said, Davis found ways to be effective in a very compact role throughout the season, showing just enough glimpses to lead you to believe that he won't be just a non-scoring, defensive oriented, hustle guy down the track. His excellent hands, soft touch and tremendous physical tools make him an extremely reliable finisher. He catches everything thrown his way, and is so quick off his feet that he's very difficult for opposing big men to contest, making him an outstanding target off cuts and pick and rolls, and also a reliable option for lobs. His reach and effortless bounce allows him to finish plays almost without jumping, and he has just enough of a right-handed jump-hook that he can throw the ball in the basket inside the paint from interesting vantage points.

Davis' touch, and solid shooting mechanics, lead you to believe that he may be able to develop the range on his jumper as his career progresses as well. That will be important, as otherwise he may be relegated to a role as strictly an undersized rim-running center in today's NBA.

The best attributes Davis offers at this point likely revolve around his defense. He's quick and agile enough to stay in front of pretty much any power forward, and should be able to add enough bulk to his excellent frame to hold his own as a small-ball center in time. He has great potential as a pick and roll defender, already showing terrific flashes stepping out and switching onto guards and wings, covering ground and moving his feet with excellent lateral quickness, and being difficult to shoot over with the way he contests looks on the perimeter. He blocks an impressive 4.1 shots per-40 minutes this season as well, many on the ball, while showing the ability to develop into an excellent rim-protector in time.

Davis also rebounded very effectively as a freshman, more so offensively than defensively, but nevertheless showed impressive flashes on both ends that could lead to even better results as he continues to add bulk to his excellent frame. He is quick to the ball, and has great hands, often going out of his area and getting off his feet before other big men can react. While his intensity level was inconsistent at times in other areas, he rebounded with great purpose throughout the year, which should give him an immediate role early on in his career when combined with ability to contribute defensively.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Deyonta-Davis-81960/

I kind of doubt McD will take two PFs at 4 and 13 because he has talked about not doubling up in the draft at a position before. I think he's gonna take Murray if he is there or maybe a wing, but I have a feeling PG. I can't remember if we worked out Baldwin.

I'd love to get Bender and Davis though and add that length, or if we take Chriss, their athletic ability together with him and Davis.

I want Davis at 13 if we take either PF. Won't mind if Skal slipped to there or we too Ellenson there, but Davis is ideal imo to pair with whatever PF we take at 4 if we take a PF.

[bwgood77]

What would people think of this? From trade board

I'd offer up Tyreke Evans for Knight and not think twice about it.

[Kerrsed]

What would people think of this? From trade board

I'd offer up Tyreke Evans for Knight and not think twice about it.

Nope. I'd rather take a shot on #8 than Evans.