Hawks-76ers discussing deal

[td00]

Jamaal, where we are at with our level of talent, we don't have a lot of assets/maneuverability.

Baze is probably walking and Al could be if he won't accept below the max. We'll be fortunate to get one of them back, and either will be untradeable in the near term.

Our best assets in this order: Sap / DS / JT - we'll get less for JT than we would for DS.

That's not a lot to go on even if Wes Wilcox says we're fortunate to have kept all our draft picks, and we have extra with recent deals.

I think we have to get younger and finally acquire/develop a near superstar....hardest thing to do.

I'd somehow like to get Howard for Teague if that's an option....

[Jamaaliver]

Jamaal, where we are at with our level of talent, we don't have a lot of assets/maneuverability.

Our best assets in this order: Sap / DS / JT - we'll get less for JT than we would for DS.


I think we have to get younger and finally acquire/develop a near superstar....hardest thing to do.

Hey, I hear you. And I agree on the need to get younger and focus on acquiring a young top player.

But I don't think it's a single move that gets us there.

BOS is the perfect example. They moved Rondo for Crowder. Moved KG/Pierce for a top draft pick. Acquired Isaiah Thomas for cheap. Picked up a bunch of other draft picks along the way. And they are NOW equipped to pursue top players in trade.

They bided their time with smaller moves, which now leaves them in position for a much more aggressive approach.

I wish we'd embrace the smaller moves as we prepare for the bigger ones. Holding on to Josh Smith, Jeff Teague, Joe Johnson well past their peak value has been a huge factor in us having so few assets today.

One thing I greatly disagree on: a re-signed Horford should still be tradable a year from now. The biggest reason we couldn't get much value in Feb for him was his impending Free Agency. I still think Horford could be traded to a contender mid-season next year pretty easily. As long as he's on a 4 year deal. not a 5 year contract.

[td00]

Jamaal, where we are at with our level of talent, we don't have a lot of assets/maneuverability.

Our best assets in this order: Sap / DS / JT - we'll get less for JT than we would for DS.


I think we have to get younger and finally acquire/develop a near superstar....hardest thing to do.

Hey, I hear you. And I agree on the need to get younger and focus on acquiring a young top player.

But I don't think it's a single move that gets us there.

BOS is the perfect example. They moved Rondo for Crowder. Moved KG/Pierce for a top draft pick. Acquired Isaiah Thomas for cheap. Picked up a bunch of other draft picks along the way. And they are NOW equipped to pursue top players in trade.

They bided their time with smaller moves, which now leaves them in position for a much more aggressive approach.

I wish we'd embrace the smaller moves as we prepare for the bigger ones. Holding on to Josh Smith, Jeff Teague, Joe Johnson well past their peak value has been a huge factor in us having so few assets today.

One thing I greatly disagree on: a re-signed Horford should still be tradable a year from now. The biggest reason we couldn't get much value in Feb for him was his impending Free Agency. I still think Horford could be traded to a contender mid-season next year pretty easily. As long as he's on a 4 year deal. not a 5 year contract.

I would hate to see us regress too much, but we have 3 starters that potentially will not be here next year. The only benefit to that is cap space, something I care less about. You hear our owners state they will do whatever it takes, but the Hawks are never in the Top 10 in spending, and to compete, they're going to have to overpay.

We will not get very much in return for whomever we decide to trade. I'm not sure we get 46 wins this coming year. I truly don't think we have a choice but to give Al the max for 5 years. We have to prove our loyalty and willingness to overpay and keep our talent.

I like the idea of moving up in the draft, but the teams that are in the Top 10 are going to ask for a ridiculous return similar to what happens in the NFL. You saw what the Redskins paid for RG3, the Rams moving to #1 this year.

When was the last time there was a Top 5 pick slot traded before the draft? I would hope we could put something together with the Lakers, who are way too young to compete already. IMO, it would take JT+all this year picks and a couple other #1s to get someone that Bud could slot in a starting position.

[jayu70]

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It'll be interesting to see what happens with Boston's 'assets'.

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Like I said before they have a sock full of nickles and dimes they are trying to pass off as gold coins.

[atlantabbq99]

^ I thought that Crowder and Smart could be gold coins, but after watching them last year and in the playoff series, it really turned me off on both guys. Both are good hustle guys, but they just have such a broken jumpshot and both have such a really low basketball IQ.

[jayu70]

^ I thought that Crowder and Smart could be gold coins, but after watching them last year and in the playoff series, it really turned me off on both guys. Both are good hustle guys, but they just have such a broken jumpshot and both have such a really low basketball IQ.

They are guys that play hard and give their all - I just don't see anything 'special' about them.

[Jamaaliver]

It'll be interesting to see what happens with Boston's 'assets'.



Like I said before they have a sock full of nickles and dimes they are trying to pass off as gold coins.

Yeah, I've heard conflicting reports regarding what they hope to get as well. But word is there should be serious activity on Draft Night. And no team is better equipped than BOS to benefit.

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Now it appears that BOS could potentially move #3 to Philly for one of their bigs. Denying us the opportunity to obtain a talented, young front court player.

[jayu70]

It'll be interesting to see what happens with Boston's 'assets'.



Like I said before they have a sock full of nickles and dimes they are trying to pass off as gold coins.

Yeah, I've heard conflicting reports regarding what they hope to get as well. But word is there should be serious activity on Draft Night. And no team is better equipped than BOS to benefit.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/744995141824438272[/tweet]



Now it appears that BOS could potentially move #3 to Philly for one of their bigs. Denying us the opportunity to obtain a talented, young front court player.

It's really not hard to see why draft night will be busy, quite a few teams have multiple firsts and they can't add all of them to their rosters particularly Boston.

[PandaKidd]

^ I thought that Crowder and Smart could be gold coins, but after watching them last year and in the playoff series, it really turned me off on both guys. Both are good hustle guys, but they just have such a broken jumpshot and both have such a really low basketball IQ.

Crowder was playing on 1 leg lol Smart actually had a decent series, he was an ABYSMAL shooter and didnt he hit like 5 3s one game vs us ?

I do agree that they have a bunch of role players on their team and 1 actual "star" and hes not up for trade.

#3 pick + Crowder/Bradley? What does that get you? Not much I cant think. Plus what would be the gain for Boston? They would lose their "good players" for 1 "star"

They would have to hit a homerun at the draft AND FA. Might be best to just keep the band together 1 more year

[td00]

The band needs a new lead singer.

[atlantabbq99]

^ I thought that Crowder and Smart could be gold coins, but after watching them last year and in the playoff series, it really turned me off on both guys. Both are good hustle guys, but they just have such a broken jumpshot and both have such a really low basketball IQ.

Crowder was playing on 1 leg lol Smart actually had a decent series, he was an ABYSMAL shooter and didnt he hit like 5 3s one game vs us ?

I do agree that they have a bunch of role players on their team and 1 actual "star" and hes not up for trade.

#3 pick + Crowder/Bradley? What does that get you? Not much I cant think. Plus what would be the gain for Boston? They would lose their "good players" for 1 "star"

They would have to hit a homerun at the draft AND FA. Might be best to just keep the band together 1 more year

Crowder never hit 5 3s. He shot .221% from three.

[PandaKidd]

^ I thought that Crowder and Smart could be gold coins, but after watching them last year and in the playoff series, it really turned me off on both guys. Both are good hustle guys, but they just have such a broken jumpshot and both have such a really low basketball IQ.

Crowder was playing on 1 leg lol Smart actually had a decent series, he was an ABYSMAL shooter and didnt he hit like 5 3s one game vs us ?

I do agree that they have a bunch of role players on their team and 1 actual "star" and hes not up for trade.

#3 pick + Crowder/Bradley? What does that get you? Not much I cant think. Plus what would be the gain for Boston? They would lose their "good players" for 1 "star"

They would have to hit a homerun at the draft AND FA. Might be best to just keep the band together 1 more year

Crowder never hit 5 3s. He shot .221% from three.

Learn to read

Smart actually had a decent series, he was an ABYSMAL shooter and didnt he hit like 5 3s one game vs us ?

[PandaKidd]

And I was wrong, but he did have 20 ppints and 13 in the 4th

Smart's breakout night: Smart, who has struggled all season with his shot, had a sequence in which he scored 11 straight points -- an out-of-control and-1 layup, a baseline dunk and a pair of 3-pointers -- and almost reduced the Garden to rubble as the Celtics sneaked back ahead. Jeff Teague, who had previously been 1-of-11 on 3-pointers, hit a pair of 3-pointers in the final minute to put the Hawks ahead 92-90.

[atlantabbq99]

Crowder was playing on 1 leg lol Smart actually had a decent series, he was an ABYSMAL shooter and didnt he hit like 5 3s one game vs us ?

I do agree that they have a bunch of role players on their team and 1 actual "star" and hes not up for trade.

#3 pick + Crowder/Bradley? What does that get you? Not much I cant think. Plus what would be the gain for Boston? They would lose their "good players" for 1 "star"

They would have to hit a homerun at the draft AND FA. Might be best to just keep the band together 1 more year

Crowder never hit 5 3s. He shot .221% from three.

Learn to read

Smart actually had a decent series, he was an ABYSMAL shooter and didnt he hit like 5 3s one game vs us ?

Smart never hit 5 3s. He shot .319% from three. He also had the most turn overs of any player in the series.

[PandaKidd]

Crowder never hit 5 3s. He shot .221% from three.

Learn to read

Smart actually had a decent series, he was an ABYSMAL shooter and didnt he hit like 5 3s one game vs us ?

Smart never hit 5 3s. He shot .319% from three. He also had the most turn overs of any player in the series.

SMH.



You guys need to SLOW DOWN AND READ WHAT I TYPED.

I was asking a question not making a statement about SMART
You responded with something about Crowder
I responded with "yeah Smart had 20 points and 13 in the 4th"
You respond with he never made 5 threes.

Cool I guess?

[PandaKidd]

Crowder never hit 5 3s. He shot .221% from three.

Learn to read

Smart actually had a decent series, he was an ABYSMAL shooter and didnt he hit like 5 3s one game vs us ?

Smart never hit 5 3s. He shot .319% from three. He also had the most turn overs of any player in the series.

SEE, READ

And I was wrong, but he did have 20 ppints and 13 in the 4th

Smart's breakout night: Smart, who has struggled all season with his shot, had a sequence in which he scored 11 straight points -- an out-of-control and-1 layup, a baseline dunk and a pair of 3-pointers -- and almost reduced the Garden to rubble as the Celtics sneaked back ahead. Jeff Teague, who had previously been 1-of-11 on 3-pointers, hit a pair of 3-pointers in the final minute to put the Hawks ahead 92-90.

[atlantabbq99]

Learn to read

Smart never hit 5 3s. He shot .319% from three. He also had the most turn overs of any player in the series.

SMH.



You guys need to SLOW DOWN AND READ WHAT I TYPED.

I was asking a question not making a statement about SMART
You responded with something about Crowder
I responded with "yeah Smart had 20 points and 13 in the 4th"
You respond with he never made 5 threes.

Cool I guess?

GEEEZ i don't know how many dumb post you can put. You asked a question. I answered it. You either need to calm down or stop asking questions.

[jayu70]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ryenarussillo/status/745227534984421376[/tweet]

It'll be interesting to see what happens with Boston's 'assets'.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ryenarussillo/status/745227769672511489[/tweet]
Like I said before they have a sock full of nickles and dimes they are trying to pass off as gold coins.

So how'd Boston do?

[Jamaaliver]

^It certainly wasn't great. They had a top 3 pick and didn't even get a consensus top 5 prospect. Word is Danny Ainge had options to trade #3, but kept asking for too much...trying to win the deal instead of simply improve his team.

Their later picks were mind boggling reaches.

The most positive of their reviews (that I saw):

However ... I really don't think this was that disastrous for the Celtics. Thursday may not have featured any brilliant moves, but it wasn't stupid, either. I'd be more excited that they didn't cave into pressure and make the wrong deal.

The Celtics bet on Jaylen Brown, who has the best chance of anyone outside of Brandon Ingram of turning into a two-way star on the wing. Brown at least has the potential to turn into a killer two–way player.

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Not exactly glowing praise.

[jayu70]

^It certainly wasn't great. They had a top 3 pick and didn't even get a consensus top 5 prospect. Word is Danny Ainge had options to trade #3, but kept asking for too much...trying to win the deal instead of simply improve his team.

Their later picks were mind boggling reaches.

The most positive of their reviews (that I saw):

However ... I really don't think this was that disastrous for the Celtics. Thursday may not have featured any brilliant moves, but it wasn't stupid, either. I'd be more excited that they didn't cave into pressure and make the wrong deal.

The Celtics bet on Jaylen Brown, who has the best chance of anyone outside of Brandon Ingram of turning into a two-way star on the wing. Brown at least has the potential to turn into a killer two–way player.

Here


Not exactly glowing praise.

Like I said, the problem was Danny had a bag of nickles and dimes trying to pass them off as GOLD coins.
Nickles and Dimes are useful but just not worth much.