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[Homerclease]

It really doesn't. And I wouldn't roll the dice on that.

It really does, unless you are telling me Saric has more value than Bradley despite having never played a game in the NBA and that Noel has more value than the third pick given Phillys roster composition and Noel's salary situation. I consider the 3 to be > Noel and Bradley > Saric so it all really boils down to gambling on the lakers who have openly admitted their tank is over

The Lakers have swung and missed in free agency twice already. They didn't go into this with the expectation of staying tanked.

And I don't know that I'd put the 3 over Noel in this draft. Bradley's better than Saric right now, but for a team on Philly's timetable it makes little sense to trade for Bradley when you can just work with the assets you have. By the time they need a guy like Bradley they'll have their roster developed.

That's part of the reason Noel is being shopped—he doesn't fit the timetable.

The reason Noel is being shopped is because they are trying to develop him, Okafor, Embiid and soon to be Saric and Simmons. They don't have the minutes for all these guys and they know it. They also haven't been able to get the value they would want for Okafor either which is why they've been dangling Noel too. Personally I don't feel the league values either of these two players nearly as much as the majority of these forums do.

[Homerclease]

The 3rd pick has never played a game either if thats a legit argument for you the otherway....

This is true, but tell me exactly what the best way of acquiring you're own superstar is again?

[Andre Roberstan]

The 3rd pick has never played a game either if thats a legit argument for you the otherway....

This is true, but tell me exactly what the best way of acquiring you're own superstar is again?

Picking 3rd in a 2-player draft, apparently.

[Homerclease]

The 3rd pick has never played a game either if thats a legit argument for you the otherway....

This is true, but tell me exactly what the best way of acquiring you're own superstar is again?

Picking 3rd in a 2-player draft, apparently.

Last I recall the draft had 60 selections.

[reload141]

There is no way that we will be able to get that Lakers pick. Maybe within that package if we included the Brooklyn 2018 pick? But even then it's probably not going to be enough

[HartfordWhalers]

The 3rd pick has never played a game either if thats a legit argument for you the otherway....

This is true, but tell me exactly what the best way of acquiring you're own superstar is again?

Noel, Saric and the Lakers pick combine to have a lot more chance of a superstar than Dunn.

It is a package with higher expected value and higher upside. Which is why its just not remotely fair value at all.

[bondom34]

This is true, but tell me exactly what the best way of acquiring you're own superstar is again?

Picking 3rd in a 2-player draft, apparently.

Last I recall the draft had 60 selections.

So you'd trade 3 for 23 then.

[bondom34]

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[Homerclease]

The 3rd pick has never played a game either if thats a legit argument for you the otherway....

This is true, but tell me exactly what the best way of acquiring you're own superstar is again?

Noel, Saric and the Lakers pick combine to have a lot more chance of a superstar than Dunn.

It is a package with higher expected value and higher upside. Which is why its just not remotely fair value at all.

I don't really understand how you can be sure about any of that. Noel is a role player, Saric a late lottery pick a few years ago and we don't even know where the lakers pick will fall next season. I'm not saying Dunn is a sure fire hall of famer by any stretch either here, just that the philly asserts in this conversation are being severely overrated IMO

[HartfordWhalers]

This is true, but tell me exactly what the best way of acquiring you're own superstar is again?

Noel, Saric and the Lakers pick combine to have a lot more chance of a superstar than Dunn.

It is a package with higher expected value and higher upside. Which is why its just not remotely fair value at all.

I don't really understand how you can be sure about any of that. Noel is a role player, Saric a late lottery pick a few years ago and we don't even know where the lakers pick will fall next season. I'm not saying Dunn is a sure fire hall of famer by any stretch either here, just that the philly asserts in this conversation are being severely overrated IMO

Well, there are 2 options here.

1) All those Philly assets aren't worth much and you are making a fair deal
2) You are just completely off on the comparative value of #3 versus those assets.

So far you have a lot of people telling you its 2 versus 1 above, and those include a diverse group of fans.

[Homerclease]

Picking 3rd in a 2-player draft, apparently.

Last I recall the draft had 60 selections.

So you'd trade 3 for 23 then.

That makes no sense, the higher pick obviously has the first chance of acquiring the best player, it's up to the GM to identify said player and select him, it's far from an exact science but your statement is pointless, and frankly your baiting at this point. Also be kind enough to tell me the last draft in which the top 2 players selected became the 2 best players selected. I'll be waiting.

[Homerclease]

Noel, Saric and the Lakers pick combine to have a lot more chance of a superstar than Dunn.

It is a package with higher expected value and higher upside. Which is why its just not remotely fair value at all.

I don't really understand how you can be sure about any of that. Noel is a role player, Saric a late lottery pick a few years ago and we don't even know where the lakers pick will fall next season. I'm not saying Dunn is a sure fire hall of famer by any stretch either here, just that the philly asserts in this conversation are being severely overrated IMO

Well, there are 2 options here.

1) All those Philly assets aren't worth much and you are making a fair deal
2) You are just completely off on the comparative value of #3 versus those assets.

So far you have a lot of people telling you its 2 versus 1 above, and those include a diverse group of fans.

You are the only person thus far to tell me that Saric and next years Laker pick have a higher chance of becoming a superstar than anyone the Celtics might select at 3 this season.

[HartfordWhalers]

I don't really understand how you can be sure about any of that. Noel is a role player, Saric a late lottery pick a few years ago and we don't even know where the lakers pick will fall next season. I'm not saying Dunn is a sure fire hall of famer by any stretch either here, just that the philly asserts in this conversation are being severely overrated IMO

Well, there are 2 options here.

1) All those Philly assets aren't worth much and you are making a fair deal
2) You are just completely off on the comparative value of #3 versus those assets.

So far you have a lot of people telling you its 2 versus 1 above, and those include a diverse group of fans.

You are the only person thus far to tell me that Saric and next years Laker pick have a higher chance of becoming a superstar than anyone the Celtics might select at 3 this season.

Wow, you already forgot you asked for Noel also?

I was pretty clear that a lot of people have told you the value is off. If you really haven't heard that message, I dunno what to say. It is very clearly there.

[bondom34]

Last I recall the draft had 60 selections.

So you'd trade 3 for 23 then.

That makes no sense, the higher pick obviously has the first chance of acquiring the best player, it's up to the GM to identify said player and select him, it's far from an exact science but your statement is pointless, and frankly your baiting at this point. Also be kind enough to tell me the last draft in which the top 2 players selected became the 2 best players selected. I'll be waiting.

I wasn't baiting at all, but if your claim is it is a 60 player draft when there's a huge and clear drop after 2, that's the point. If you're that confident at 3, you should be anywhere.

[Homerclease]

Well, there are 2 options here.

1) All those Philly assets aren't worth much and you are making a fair deal
2) You are just completely off on the comparative value of #3 versus those assets.

So far you have a lot of people telling you its 2 versus 1 above, and those include a diverse group of fans.

You are the only person thus far to tell me that Saric and next years Laker pick have a higher chance of becoming a superstar than anyone the Celtics might select at 3 this season.

Wow, you already forgot you asked for Noel also?

I didn't ask for anything, and I already stated earlier in this thread to chuck that I would turn this down from a philly perspective because of the uncertainty of the laker pick. I don't think it's really super far off though.

[Homerclease]

So you'd trade 3 for 23 then.

That makes no sense, the higher pick obviously has the first chance of acquiring the best player, it's up to the GM to identify said player and select him, it's far from an exact science but your statement is pointless, and frankly your baiting at this point. Also be kind enough to tell me the last draft in which the top 2 players selected became the 2 best players selected. I'll be waiting.

I wasn't baiting at all, but if your claim is it is a 60 player draft when there's a huge and clear drop after 2, that's the point. If you're that confident at 3, you should be anywhere.

Once again, show me the last draft in which the top 2 players selected where the 2 best players selected. It's why the 2 player draft arguement means nothing to me

[Homerclease]

Well, there are 2 options here.

1) All those Philly assets aren't worth much and you are making a fair deal
2) You are just completely off on the comparative value of #3 versus those assets.

So far you have a lot of people telling you its 2 versus 1 above, and those include a diverse group of fans.

You are the only person thus far to tell me that Saric and next years Laker pick have a higher chance of becoming a superstar than anyone the Celtics might select at 3 this season.

Wow, you already forgot you asked for Noel also?

I was pretty clear that a lot of people have told you the value is off. If you really haven't heard that message, I dunno what to say. It is very clearly there.

Nice edit, other people are certainly entitled to their opinions and I have no problem with that. Do I think this deal favors Boston? Sure, but it's not the highway robbery that some are making it out to be IMO

[bondom34]

That makes no sense, the higher pick obviously has the first chance of acquiring the best player, it's up to the GM to identify said player and select him, it's far from an exact science but your statement is pointless, and frankly your baiting at this point. Also be kind enough to tell me the last draft in which the top 2 players selected became the 2 best players selected. I'll be waiting.

I wasn't baiting at all, but if your claim is it is a 60 player draft when there's a huge and clear drop after 2, that's the point. If you're that confident at 3, you should be anywhere.

Once again, show me the last draft in which the top 2 players selected where the 2 best players selected. It's why the 2 player draft arguement means nothing to me

If you don't understand the concept of draft prospects of different calibers, I can't help. And Ainge isn't noted for finding diamonds in the rough.

[HartfordWhalers]

You are the only person thus far to tell me that Saric and next years Laker pick have a higher chance of becoming a superstar than anyone the Celtics might select at 3 this season.

Wow, you already forgot you asked for Noel also?

I was pretty clear that a lot of people have told you the value is off. If you really haven't heard that message, I dunno what to say. It is very clearly there.

Nice edit, other people are certainly entitled to their opinions and I have no problem with that. Do I think this deal favors Boston? Sure, but it's not the highway robbery that some are making it out to be IMO

Nice edit?

I didn't edit anything except what I wanted to say here. And thats probably for the best.

[Homerclease]

I wasn't baiting at all, but if your claim is it is a 60 player draft when there's a huge and clear drop after 2, that's the point. If you're that confident at 3, you should be anywhere.

Once again, show me the last draft in which the top 2 players selected where the 2 best players selected. It's why the 2 player draft arguement means nothing to me

If you don't understand the concept of draft prospects of different calibers, I can't help. And Ainge isn't noted for finding diamonds in the rough.

Stop dodging the question, also Ainge has made several fine picks in the later portions of the draft, not superstars by any means but solid players in both the first and second rounds. Al Jefferson was a mid round pick, so was Gerald Green and Ryan Gomes was a 2nd rounder. Those 3 men were all traded for Kevin Garnett.