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[Texas Chuck]

Once again, show me the last draft in which the top 2 players selected where the 2 best players selected. It's why the 2 player draft arguement means nothing to me

This is kind of a poor argument tho. Just because teams miss in the draft doesn't mean you don't want the highest pick possible. If you go back and look at just about every draft ever, the difference between the 2nd and 3rd best players in that draft are significant.

Now I'm super tired myself of hearing this is a 2 player draft. It's absolutely not a 2 player draft. But 2 prospects are currently being valued much higher than the others and we can't ignore that when trying to figure out the value of specific picks. And the reports coming out suggesting that most of the teams in the top ten are looking at trading their pick, including Boston should tell you something about the perceived value of those picks.

[Homerclease]

Wow, you already forgot you asked for Noel also?

I was pretty clear that a lot of people have told you the value is off. If you really haven't heard that message, I dunno what to say. It is very clearly there.

Nice edit, other people are certainly entitled to their opinions and I have no problem with that. Do I think this deal favors Boston? Sure, but it's not the highway robbery that some are making it out to be IMO

Nice edit?

I didn't edit anything except what I wanted to say here. And thats probably for the best.

Except your original post only contained your first sentence until you went back and added the second part to which I responded yet again.

[Homerclease]

Once again, show me the last draft in which the top 2 players selected where the 2 best players selected. It's why the 2 player draft arguement means nothing to me

This is kind of a poor argument tho. Just because teams miss in the draft doesn't mean you don't want the highest pick possible. If you go back and look at just about every draft ever, the difference between the 2nd and 3rd best players in that draft are significant.

Now I'm super tired myself of hearing this is a 2 player draft. It's absolutely not a 2 player draft. But 2 prospects are currently being valued much higher than the others and we can't ignore that when trying to figure out the value of specific picks. And the reports coming out suggesting that most of the teams in the top ten are looking at trading their pick, including Boston should tell you something about the perceived value of those picks.

But the reports that philly is struggling to find value for their guys means nothing? How do you pick and choose what reports to believe and what not to? I know what Simmons and Ingram are valued at, it doesn't mean the rest of the draft is filled with Tomato Cans either.

[bondom34]

Once again, show me the last draft in which the top 2 players selected where the 2 best players selected. It's why the 2 player draft arguement means nothing to me

If you don't understand the concept of draft prospects of different calibers, I can't help. And Ainge isn't noted for finding diamonds in the rough.

Stop dodging the question, also Ainge has made several fine picks in the later portions of the draft, not superstars by any means but solid players in both the first and second rounds. Al Jefferson was a mid round pick, so was Gerald Green and Ryan Gomes was a 2nd rounder. Those 3 men were all traded for Kevin Garnett.

Great, can't wait to see who he trades for.

Edit: He only had to add 2 more first round picks onto those 3. So hey, sure.

[Homerclease]

If you don't understand the concept of draft prospects of different calibers, I can't help. And Ainge isn't noted for finding diamonds in the rough.

Stop dodging the question, also Ainge has made several fine picks in the later portions of the draft, not superstars by any means but solid players in both the first and second rounds. Al Jefferson was a mid round pick, so was Gerald Green and Ryan Gomes was a 2nd rounder. Those 3 men were all traded for Kevin Garnett.

Great, can't wait to see who he trades for.

Jeff Green for Ray Allen worked out pretty well for Boston, personally with the deals I've seen I'd rather him keep the pick at this point.

[bondom34]

Stop dodging the question, also Ainge has made several fine picks in the later portions of the draft, not superstars by any means but solid players in both the first and second rounds. Al Jefferson was a mid round pick, so was Gerald Green and Ryan Gomes was a 2nd rounder. Those 3 men were all traded for Kevin Garnett.

Great, can't wait to see who he trades for.

Jeff Green for Ray Allen worked out pretty well for Boston, personally with the deals I've seen I'd rather him keep the pick at this point.

Well then that's easy enough.

And Green was traded on draft night, taken for Seattle.

[GutUNC]

I'm sure when Bryan Colangelo brings up to Danny Ainge,
the 3rd pick in exchange for Noel, Ainge quickly changes the subject
and says: "Let me tell you about the wonders of Marcus Smart.
Even his flops are a work of art."

Yeah, Boston has all the leverage. Philly needs to move out one of the Okafor/Noel tandem,
and they badly need a Big Time PG... and Ainge can deliver one to them.

I could see the 3rd pick being in play if it was Noel and something good... not Philly's picks in the 20s.

Here's a wild trade that gives Philly the best Defensive Backcourt in the NBA:

3 (Dunn) & Bradley for Noel, Saric & the Lakers pick.

Leverage: My least favorite word on this site.

Why is it that the Sixers are "shopping" Okafor/Noel but Ainge isn't "shopping" the #3 pick? Both have been reported often but somehow everyone always has their favorite team as the one holding the hammer somehow.

Both teams have assets the other wants. No one has any "leverage" and Boston is no more likely to get Saric and the Lakers pick out of Philadelphia then the Sixers are of getting the Brooklyn pick out of Boston. Stop the madness.

[benchmobbin02]

Think this belongs here:


dozencousins » Yesterday 10:38 am

Here is some draft & trade info update :

First in regards to draft not much had changed from my post quit awhile ago about that . We are wanting Dunn or Hield .
We are not expected to move up we will either stay as we are or trade down or out .

Via inside source :
As far as trades or whom has been mentioned via other teams to us as of late & some are more of the same as before .

Pacers : Paul George
Bulls : D.Rose
76ers : Are trying to get our 8th as the Bulls are in deals were we get our future rights back & we move down in the draft to gain our future right back .

More recently :

Hawks are exploring J.Teauge to the Kings I have not heard of exactly what yet I know Mac has been mentioned as likely part of it though .

Bucks heard of a possible Gay & Koufas for Monroe & M.Carter Williams in some kind of deal . Though I personally like Monroe I am not sure it would work with Cousins and WCS . I feel WCS will get and needs as well as deserves more minutes next season and unless we were willing to trade Cousins which I don't think will happen then it would not make a ton of sense to me .
( I do not think it happens just My opinion though )

Celtics are aside from interested in Cousins are showing interest in Gay , Koufas & Benny Mac have explored trading some of their pics in a deal .
Dever , Houston & Pelicans are showing interest in Gay as well .

Marco is getting alot of interest as all solid shooters via NBA are held in high regard .
Koufas , Gay , Mac & Darren are all talked about .

I will not say we will do this or that as of yet for sure but I fully expect we will be pulling off at least 2 trades between now and 5 days after the draft . Their is more chatter this off season than that I had heard of the past two years in regards to our Kings .
This could be just because the cap is rising a lot more or any other reason you can think of but I can say I am getting really anxious myself . Kings will not be major players via free agency unless we grossly over pay players and I do not expect that at all .We will have to trade smartly & or sign whatever free agent scraps that are left over smartly .

dozencousins » Thu Jun 9, 2016 7:13 pm

You can doubt me if you wish no big deal to me . However I do have an inside source and if you don't believe me you are welcome to ignore my posts . Their is usually always 1 - a few people that seem to always be negative and yet they think every time they say something they are always right and others are more often wrong .
I find it a joke when I know what I know and anyone says the statement you just gave .
If you and others wish for me not to provide the inside info then feel free to get it from the so called experts whom a vast majority are never correct . Go get your info from Aldridge etc. now that's a joke .
Peace man , relax don't try and shot the messenger .

[Homerclease]

Great, can't wait to see who he trades for.

Jeff Green for Ray Allen worked out pretty well for Boston, personally with the deals I've seen I'd rather him keep the pick at this point.

Well then that's easy enough.

And Green was traded on draft night, taken for Seattle.

Exactly. So why should Boston this time trade their top 5 pick for Noel who can't hold Rays jockstrap. Because "it's a 2 person draft"???? Baloney.

By the way the answer was 1992, Shaq and Zo went 1-2 that year and were the two best. Hasn't happened since. I'm open to Boston dealing the third pick for the right price for a true star player, Noel, Saric and a laker pick that could be anywhere from 4-24 doesn't fit that label.

[bondom34]

Jeff Green for Ray Allen worked out pretty well for Boston, personally with the deals I've seen I'd rather him keep the pick at this point.

Well then that's easy enough.

And Green was traded on draft night, taken for Seattle.

Exactly. So why should Boston this time trade their top 5 pick for Noel who can't hold Rays jockstrap. Because "it's a 2 person draft"???? Baloney.

By the way the answer was 1992, Shaq and Zo went 1-2 that year and were the two best. Hasn't happened since. I'm open to Boston dealing the third pick for the right price for a true star player, Noel, Saric and a laker pick that could be anywhere from 4-24 doesn't fit that label.

I never said Boston should trade the pick either, but having 3 in what is valued by everyone as a 2 player draft isn't some amazing thing.

And holy moly that's way too much for the 3rd pick. Yeah, that's ridiculous. I didn't even read that part but wow. You should keep the pick.

[Homerclease]

Well then that's easy enough.

And Green was traded on draft night, taken for Seattle.

Exactly. So why should Boston this time trade their top 5 pick for Noel who can't hold Rays jockstrap. Because "it's a 2 person draft"???? Baloney.

By the way the answer was 1992, Shaq and Zo went 1-2 that year and were the two best. Hasn't happened since. I'm open to Boston dealing the third pick for the right price for a true star player, Noel, Saric and a laker pick that could be anywhere from 4-24 doesn't fit that label.

I never said Boston should trade the pick either, but having 3 in what is valued by everyone as a 2 player draft isn't some amazing thing.

And holy moly that's way too much for the 3rd pick. Yeah, that's ridiculous. I didn't even read that part but wow. You should keep the pick.

Top 5 picks don't get traded for pennies on the dollar, Ray was already a hall of famer when he was acquired, Kevin Love was at the pinnacle of his career when he was moved. I don't subscribe to this silly notion that if its not for Simmons and Ingram that the third pick is equal to a sofa on the side of the road.

[mademan]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MySportsLegion/status/745388735596924928[/tweet]

Looks like Cavs want in on the draft

[Homerclease]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MySportsLegion/status/745388735596924928[/tweet]

Looks like Cavs want in on the draft

Not sure who I'd want from Cleveland, maybe punt it for a first a few years down the road in the hope that Lebron scurries off to form his team of superfriends in New York or LA

[mademan]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MySportsLegion/status/745388735596924928[/tweet]

Looks like Cavs want in on the draft

Not sure who I'd want from Cleveland, maybe punt it for a first a few years down the road in the hope that Lebron scurries off to form his team of superfriends in New York or LA

First pick theyll have is in 2020. I dont think theyre trading that (which destroys flexibility later on) for a very very mediocre pick. I think buying into this draft will be relatively cheap. Philly doesnt want/need their 2 later picks, same for Boston and Toronto

[Homerclease]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MySportsLegion/status/745388735596924928[/tweet]

Looks like Cavs want in on the draft

Not sure who I'd want from Cleveland, maybe punt it for a first a few years down the road in the hope that Lebron scurries off to form his team of superfriends in New York or LA

First pick theyll have is in 2020. I dont think theyre trading that (which destroys flexibility later on) for a very very mediocre pick. I think buying into this draft will be relatively cheap. Philly doesnt want/need their 2 later picks, same for Boston and Toronto

At the same time they aren't just going to hand a conference rival a first round pick, especially the one team at the top of the mountain right now.

[Smitty731]

Long list of player option stuff today. Not sure if everyone saw it or not:

Out: Dirk Nowitzki, Dwight Howard, Cole Aldrich, Brandon Bass, Arron Afflalo, Derrick Williams

In: Caron Butler

No real surprises, but done all the same. Butler is forcing the Kings hand here. He doesn't want to be there and they don't want him, but now they have to find a trade partner or straight waive him. It won't cost much, but good on Butler to get money he wouldn't see otherwise.

[Andre Roberstan]

Long list of player option stuff today. Not sure if everyone saw it or not:

Out: Dirk Nowitzki, Dwight Howard, Cole Aldrich, Brandon Bass, Arron Afflalo, Derrick Williams

In: Caron Butler

No real surprises, but done all the same. Butler is forcing the Kings hand here. He doesn't want to be there and they don't want him, but now they have to find a trade partner or straight waive him. It won't cost much, but good on Butler to get money he wouldn't see otherwise.

He still wants to play. Going to be hard to find a place where he can.

[Smitty731]

Long list of player option stuff today. Not sure if everyone saw it or not:

Out: Dirk Nowitzki, Dwight Howard, Cole Aldrich, Brandon Bass, Arron Afflalo, Derrick Williams

In: Caron Butler

No real surprises, but done all the same. Butler is forcing the Kings hand here. He doesn't want to be there and they don't want him, but now they have to find a trade partner or straight waive him. It won't cost much, but good on Butler to get money he wouldn't see otherwise.

He still wants to play. Going to be hard to find a place where he can.

Yeah he's done. No one is taking him on for anything he can do on the court at this point.

[Soulyss]

Put me down in the drafting Thon Maker in the lottery is a bad bad idea. I have no issue with teams in the 20's wanting to take fliers on long-shots, but at 10 you should be able to come away with a player.

I think the problem is, after #7... Not sure there is anything that can be considered a sure starter in the lottery... you might get a rotation player... but at 8... 10... Man... that's brutal.

[Soulyss]

It really does, unless you are telling me Saric has more value than Bradley despite having never played a game in the NBA and that Noel has more value than the third pick given Phillys roster composition and Noel's salary situation. I consider the 3 to be > Noel and Bradley > Saric so it all really boils down to gambling on the lakers who have openly admitted their tank is over

The Lakers have swung and missed in free agency twice already. They didn't go into this with the expectation of staying tanked.

And I don't know that I'd put the 3 over Noel in this draft. Bradley's better than Saric right now, but for a team on Philly's timetable it makes little sense to trade for Bradley when you can just work with the assets you have. By the time they need a guy like Bradley they'll have their roster developed.

That's part of the reason Noel is being shopped—he doesn't fit the timetable.

The reason Noel is being shopped is because they are trying to develop him, Okafor, Embiid and soon to be Saric and Simmons. They don't have the minutes for all these guys and they know it. They also haven't been able to get the value they would want for Okafor either which is why they've been dangling Noel too. Personally I don't feel the league values either of these two players nearly as much as the majority of these forums do.

Looking at this from both sides, I suspect if it gets done it will simply be Noel for #3... It's the best deal for both teams.

For Philly: Noel is up for an extension next season, so keeping Okafor simply makes fiscal sense... additionally with all of the cap space floating around out there this year and next, why would Noel want to stay with Embiid penciled in as the guy at center? Better to keep Okafor who's under control for longer and get your PG in Dunn.

For Boston: Noel has the ability to be an Elite rim-defender and rebounder... I don't know where you are going to get offense from, but with Smart, Bradley, Crowder, Noel... man not sure how anyone is going to score on you either.

They will hem & haw... Boston will posture... but I suspect this gets done on draft day.