The Trade/Free Agency Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 2

[TeamTragic]

I know we as Suns fan frequent this site

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2016/6/21/11998324/stein-phoenix-suns-have-offered-4-13-for-utahs-gordon-hayward

So let me get this straight the Suns offered 4/13 and would have to included Knight for salary matching purposes. And the grand salami is Hayward/Amir Johnson?
Hayward has one year left on his contract, so the Suns would get the honor of paying him a max contract next year
The only thing that makes sense is that McD is letting it be known to the entire free world that Knight 4/13 is a package that can be had. I shall now post this trade on the trade board. May the gods smile and show great favor upon the Suns organization during the NBA draft throughout the free agent period.

I **** love that last part

[rsavaj]

I do not understand this tweet:

Dave King ‏@DaveKingNBA 1h1 hour ago
Stein: Phoenix Suns have offered 4/13 for Utah's Gordon Hayward

That is not what the article said. This is what the article said: "Sources say the Celtics are one of just a number of teams trying to convince Utah to surrender Hayward -- Phoenix, which holds two lottery picks (No. 4 and 13) in Thursday's draft, is another -- but the Jazz have been telling interested teams that he is not available." All it says is the Suns are one of the teams trying to convince Utah to surrender Hayward. It mentions the Suns have two lottery picks. It never says what the Suns actually offered.

Dave King sensationalizing as always.

I don't think it's sensationalizing to a great degree. Stein wouldn't have mentioned the lottery picks if they weren't relevant to the offer.

[SunsFanSSOL]

If Gambo is to be believed, you have to wonder what the plan is for Knight. They really want to bring Bogdanovic over next year, and they plan to draft a PG or wing at #13. I have no idea how the rotation will work with Knight there.

Bledsoe/(Price?)/#13?
Knight/Bogdanovic/Goodwin/Jenkins
Booker/Warren/Tucker

It's just a mess, Booker having to play at SF, 4 SG's, 3 SF's 3 PG's? I think Jenkins will most likely be waived given that he is guaranteed (shame, because I like him). I have no clue if they decide to re-sign Price, he played well this year, the players seem to like him and he's been working out in Phoenix, so maybe he can be a 3rd stringer. I also think the Suns will hold onto Knight until he can be apart of a larger deal. The FO also loves Tucker, so I don't see him moving until the trade deadline, and that's only if we're doing poorly.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Goodwin is dealt on draft night though. As far as who we draft, I think it'll be Baldwin or Dejuante Murray at #13. I prefer Murray, especially if we draft Chriss given that their teammates.

Bledsoe/Murray/Price
Knight/Bogdanovic
Booker/Warren/Tucker

Is still very crowded...

[WeekapaugGroove]

Isn't Hayward an UFA next summer if he declines player option? I wouldn't give up assets for him. He will surely sign with Brad Stevens in Boston if he doesn't stay with the Jazz. I wouldn't trade picks and a bunch of players for him for a year of him. I really like him too.

Yeah he's opting out for sure next summer. He's a nice player but I would hate giving up a big package for potentially a one year rental.

If these are the kinds of things mcd is looking to do I'm terrified what might go down the next few weeks.

[thamadkant]

My speculation of McD's plan

- Pick 4 and 13 for a established player, Okafor, Hayward, Butler etc.

- Knight for Pelicans or Kings pick... To draft Chriss, Bender, Brown... Who McD and Suns scout know or feel will drop to pick 6 - 8

[Damkac]

If any trade will happen I just hope Warren and Len won't be included. I'm not a fan of trading one of the highest pick in Suns history but if Lakers really wants 4th pick I would give it for Russell. No thanks for Okafor. Suns needs rim protection much more than another scorer. Just trade Knight, maybe add 13th to get better return. Would be great to trade Knight + 13th to NO for 6th and get a duo of Bender/Chriss and J. Murray.

[Qwigglez]

Knight/Warren/Tucker #4, 2019 Miami 1st for Hayward/Favors.
Bledsoe/Booker/Hayward/Favors/Len

or

Knight/#4/#13 & 2019 Miami 1st for Jabari Parker

Bledsoe/Booker/Warren/Parker/Len

Would like either one of those deals.

[Qwigglez]

Still hoping for a star trade or Okafor!!

At this point, I wouldn't mind trading No 4, 13, Miami 2019 1st and BKnight for Butler. 2017 free agents will definitely hear us out if we make the 8th seed with Book/Butler/Bledsoe
Who's top of that list for PF you ask?
Griffin
Ibaka
Milsap
Noel (restricted)
Monroe
Z-Bo
Plumlee (lol)

(**quoted from the draft thread**)

[SunsBlood23]

Still hoping for a star trade or Okafor!!

At this point, I wouldn't mind trading No 4, 13, Miami 2019 1st and BKnight for Butler. 2017 free agents will definitely hear us out if we make the 8th seed with Book/Butler/Bledsoe
Who's top of that list for PF you ask?
Griffin
Ibaka
Milsap
Noel (restricted)
Monroe
Z-Bo
Plumlee (lol)

(**quoted from the draft thread**)

I thought Noel and Monroe were centers? I would go after Ibaka and Griffin tho. Milsap will be on the wrong side of 30 and Z-Bo is long gone.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

The more trade ideas I see, the more I hope we just make the damn picks.

[blacksun]

I know we as Suns fan frequent this site

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2016/6/21/11998324/stein-phoenix-suns-have-offered-4-13-for-utahs-gordon-hayward

So let me get this straight the Suns offered 4/13 and would have to included Knight for salary matching purposes. And the grand salami is Hayward/Amir Johnson?
Hayward has one year left on his contract, so the Suns would get the honor of paying him a max contract next year
The only thing that makes sense is that McD is letting it be known to the entire free world that Knight 4/13 is a package that can be had. I shall now post this trade on the trade board. May the gods smile and show great favor upon the Suns organization during the NBA draft throughout the free agent period.

Nowhere in Marc Stein's article did it say that the Suns are offering the 4th and 13th for Hayward. I dont know what these bright side writers are smoking these days.

[JJ13]

Didn't watch enough Dallas games to get a good read on parsons last year. Just opted out, doesn't going after him vs Hayward make more sense to keep assets?

[bwgood77]

Isn't Hayward an UFA next summer if he declines player option? I wouldn't give up assets for him. He will surely sign with Brad Stevens in Boston if he doesn't stay with the Jazz. I wouldn't trade picks and a bunch of players for him for a year of him. I really like him too.

Yeah he's opting out for sure next summer. He's a nice player but I would hate giving up a big package for potentially a one year rental.

If these are the kinds of things mcd is looking to do I'm terrified what might go down the next few weeks.

I think Boston can probably afford to do it because Hayward would likely re-sign with them due to the coaching relationship at Butler, but they could wait for free agency as well and give up nothing. They seem pretty eager to not wait a year to have a better chance at competing.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Isn't Hayward an UFA next summer if he declines player option? I wouldn't give up assets for him. He will surely sign with Brad Stevens in Boston if he doesn't stay with the Jazz. I wouldn't trade picks and a bunch of players for him for a year of him. I really like him too.

Yeah he's opting out for sure next summer. He's a nice player but I would hate giving up a big package for potentially a one year rental.

If these are the kinds of things mcd is looking to do I'm terrified what might go down the next few weeks.

I think Boston can probably afford to do it because Hayward would likely re-sign with them due to the coaching relationship at Butler, but they could wait for free agency as well and give up nothing. They seem pretty eager to not wait a year to have a better chance at competing.

Totally agree. Hayward to Boston is a much different scenario than to the suns. In Boston he'd be playing with his old coach on a team that's nearly a lock to be in the playoffs.

I can see it now with the suns. They deal a huge package for Hayward and get off to a slow start and all well hear is how he's going to test free agency in the summer. If the suns are sitting in 10th out west come the deadline they panic about losing him for nothing and trade him for half of what they paid this summer.

I really really hope they don't make this trade.

[RaisingArizona]

Knight/Warren/Tucker #4, 2019 Miami 1st for Hayward/Favors.
Bledsoe/Booker/Hayward/Favors/Len

or

Knight/#4/#13 & 2019 Miami 1st for Jabari Parker

Bledsoe/Booker/Warren/Parker/Len

Would like either one of those deals.

I have no words...

[letsgosuns]

The way I look at Butler is the same way I look at Metta World Peace when he was on the Pacers. Both fantastic defenders, (Peace was probably better in his prime), Butler a little bit better offensively, but both really good. However, when you trade the first or second pick in a draft where the consensus is there are two franchise players at picks one and two, you need something more than a really good two way player. Bledsoe is a good two way player, is he worth the first or second pick. Not even close. I put Harden on a completely different level than Butler because he is offensively. The dominating factor in trades of superstars is offensive impact.

Harden's averages of 29 pts, 8 ast, and 6 rbs destroys Butler's 21 pts, 5 ast, and 5 rbs. They are both 26. Harden is a bona fide number one option that is a superstar. Runner up MVP in 2015 and made the WCF that year. Former 6th man of the year, twice all-nba first team, once all-nba third team. Butler has never made an all-nba team even though he has been on the all-defense second team three times and won the 2015 most improved player. Point is that Butler is a 2/3 option on a team. Harden is a 1. There is massive difference. Teams do not trade the first or second pick in the draft unless they are getting back a true number one option.

That is why I said it does not matter that Butler is a two way player when it comes to trading the first or second pick in a two player draft.

[saintEscaton]

Knight/Warren/Tucker #4, 2019 Miami 1st for Hayward/Favors.
Bledsoe/Booker/Hayward/Favors/Len

or

Knight/#4/#13 & 2019 Miami 1st for Jabari Parker

Bledsoe/Booker/Warren/Parker/Len

Would like either one of those deals.

I have no words...

Pshht I wouldn't do TJ for Jabari straight up. Jabari is Derrick Williams 2.0, an out of shape tweener with no range

[darealjuice]

Knight/Warren/Tucker #4, 2019 Miami 1st for Hayward/Favors.
Bledsoe/Booker/Hayward/Favors/Len

or

Knight/#4/#13 & 2019 Miami 1st for Jabari Parker

Bledsoe/Booker/Warren/Parker/Len

Would like either one of those deals.

I have no words...

Pshht I wouldn't do TJ for Jabari straight up. Jabari is Derrick Williams 2.0, an out of shape tweener with no range

There's a difference between thinking Jabari is a good player. and thinking he's 3 first-round picks good.

[saintEscaton]

I have no words...

Pshht I wouldn't do TJ for Jabari straight up. Jabari is Derrick Williams 2.0, an out of shape tweener with no range

There's a difference between thinking Jabari is a good player. and thinking he's 3 first-round picks good.

Agreed thats too much to give up, but this was actually what some of the board believes. Would take that Jazz deal in a hearbeat but they are gifting away two core pieces for pennies on the dollar

[bwgood77]

Knight/Warren/Tucker #4, 2019 Miami 1st for Hayward/Favors.
Bledsoe/Booker/Hayward/Favors/Len

or

Knight/#4/#13 & 2019 Miami 1st for Jabari Parker

Bledsoe/Booker/Warren/Parker/Len

Would like either one of those deals.

I have no words...

Pshht I wouldn't do TJ for Jabari straight up. Jabari is Derrick Williams 2.0, an out of shape tweener with no range

Parker should be vastly superior based on draft slot. So far very similar per 36 and advanced (TJ slightly ahead on advanced), though Parker has played almost double the minutes, so you'd think he'd be further along despite injury. But yeah, you're definitely right on the no range part for Parker. 25.5%. Parker does avg 1 more rebound per 36 though. Parker SHOULD end up the better player but there are certainly no guarantees. He's just as bad defensively as Warren as well so far.

http://bkref.com/tiny/pDDp9