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Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 5

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 5 

Post#1801 » by LyricalRico » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:22 pm

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LyricalRico wrote:Was just reading the same article, verbal. Here's the part that I agree with:

Yes, James could come back to Cleveland and defend a potential Cavaliers title in 2017 and proceed to join the run of superstar pals in free agency: Chris Paul and Kevin Durant. They can wait one more year for Carmelo Anthony in 2018. Or, Golden State wins Game 7, and maybe James gives Cleveland the championship in 2017 – and makes his move then.


I don't doubt that he opts out to get a bigger salary for next year, but looking at the rest of the league, there's really not an obvious move for him to make this summer other than stick with Cleveland for another run. Especially considering that they can move Love to get better fits around LeBron.

Now if they were to win the title on Sunday, but then not repeat next year, I could seem him being willing to look around in 2017. But then again, having won a title in Cleveland he could play the role Dwayne Wade played in Miami as the already-peaked-star who is inviting other guys without rings to join him.

Lebron is a billionaire. He's also a brand. Whatever he and his advisors decide he should do next, it'll have to do with raising the value of that brand, which dwarfs his NBA salary. I can't see why the small delta he can get in NBA salary would have much of a role in that decision.


Once again, disagreeing simply for the purpose of disagreeing. :nonono:

The overall point of my post is that, in my opinion, he won't entertain leaving Cleveland for another year. The other minor point I made is that, even if he's going to stay, he would/should make use of the increased cap and maximize his earnings for next season. He already did exactly that last summer when he opted out just to sign another 1+1 deal, and he made a couple mil more this season as a result. It's essentially free money in the 1+1 contract scenario, and people don't become (and stay) rich by leaving free money unclaimed.

Now stop quoting my posts! It defeats the purpose of having you on ignore. :wink:
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 5 

Post#1802 » by CobraCommander » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:35 am

Durant to Golden state was just assured with the Cavs win! Lebron has screwed us again....
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 5 

Post#1803 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:15 pm

CobraCommander wrote:Durant to Golden state was just assured with the Cavs win! Lebron has screwed us again....


LBJ2DC?
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 5 

Post#1804 » by montestewart » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:28 pm

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CobraCommander wrote:Durant to Golden state was just assured with the Cavs win! Lebron has screwed us again....


LBJ2DC?

As part of the LeBJ's Really a Great Guy campaign, he'll come to DC, win a championship, and make up for all the times he stomped the Wizards in the playoffs. We'll all become BeLeBJers.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 5 

Post#1805 » by Ruzious » Wed Jun 22, 2016 6:37 pm

montestewart wrote:
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:Durant to Golden state was just assured with the Cavs win! Lebron has screwed us again....


LBJ2DC?

As part of the LeBJ's Really a Great Guy campaign, he'll come to DC, win a championship, and make up for all the times he stomped the Wizards in the playoffs. We'll all become BeLeBJers.

I do seem to recall Leb wearing a throwback Wes Unseld jersey before his rookie year.

Nice move by Indiana trading George Hill for Jeff Teague. They finally have a true PG - which should help George and his teammates. And Teague's younger than Hill. Hill is almost certainly on the downhill side of his career. I know Atl wanted to get their younger PG in the starting lineup, but Teague has developed into simply a better all-around player, imo.

It's looking like Atl is going into rebuild mode and expecting Horford to leave. Hmmm, maybe Millsap is available.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 5 

Post#1806 » by Ruzious » Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:33 pm

The best I can say about Phil Jackson's trade for Rose is that Rose has an expiring contract. Grant didn't have a good rookie year, but he does have some upside, and Lopez has some value. Good move by Chicago.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 5 

Post#1807 » by pcbothwel » Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:30 pm

Really Good move by the Bulls. The Knicks are an absolute train wreck. I cant believe there are people on the GB that think this is somehow a good deal for the Knicks..
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 5 

Post#1808 » by AFM » Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:33 pm

Knicks board is up in arms lmao
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 5 

Post#1809 » by Ruzious » Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:41 pm

AFM wrote:Knicks board is up in arms lmao

Lol, gotta love Knicks fans passion, and this time they're right.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 5 

Post#1810 » by Ruzious » Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:41 pm

AFM wrote:Knicks board is up in arms lmao

Lol, gotta love Knicks fans passion, and this time they're right.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 5 

Post#1811 » by Dat2U » Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:56 pm

Ruzious wrote:The best I can say about Phil Jackson's trade for Rose is that Rose has an expiring contract. Grant didn't have a good rookie year, but he does have some upside, and Lopez has some value. Good move by Chicago.


Grant is trade filler IMO but he is young. So glad Ernie didn't pick him last year.

Chicago made out like bandits. Calderon is probably a better point guard than Rose at this stage. Lopez is a meh starting C but a passable one. Two rotation players for arguably the worst veteran starter in the game.

Only a GM that's a former player/coach would make this move from the Knicks perspective.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 5 

Post#1812 » by queridiculo » Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:08 pm

Solid move for Chicago and for the Knicks, well, I guess they really didn't care for the Lopez deal..

Best thing to say about that move for the Knicks, they'll have tons of cap space in 2017 and they'll remain in the conversation enough to stay somewhat relevant, even if they don't end up being competitive.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 5 

Post#1813 » by LyricalRico » Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:09 pm

Ruzious wrote:
montestewart wrote:
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:
LBJ2DC?

As part of the LeBJ's Really a Great Guy campaign, he'll come to DC, win a championship, and make up for all the times he stomped the Wizards in the playoffs. We'll all become BeLeBJers.

I do seem to recall Leb wearing a throwback Wes Unseld jersey before his rookie year.

Nice move by Indiana trading George Hill for Jeff Teague. They finally have a true PG - which should help George and his teammates. And Teague's younger than Hill. Hill is almost certainly on the downhill side of his career. I know Atl wanted to get their younger PG in the starting lineup, but Teague has developed into simply a better all-around player, imo.

It's looking like Atl is going into rebuild mode and expecting Horford to leave. Hmmm, maybe Millsap is available.


Actually, the article I read said this was a move to free up money to keep Horford and Bazmore. They speculated they would use both their pick and the Utah pick to unload more salary.

Splitter and their lower pick for a future first?


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Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 5 

Post#1814 » by LyricalRico » Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:20 pm

queridiculo wrote:Solid move for Chicago and for the Knicks, well, I guess they really didn't care for the Lopez deal..

Best thing to say about that move for the Knicks, they'll have tons of cap space in 2017 and they'll remain in the conversation enough to stay somewhat relevant, even if they don't end up being competitive.


For NY, this feels like a deal an incoming GM would do to clear the cap of players he inherited. But Phil is trading guys he himself just acquired. LOL

I would guess they want to make a splash this summer, so I'm predicting Dwight-to-NY now.

Howard
Porzingis
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Rose

Actually not bad on paper, and they can still be active next summer when Rose is a FA.


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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 5 

Post#1815 » by Ruzious » Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:23 pm

LyricalRico wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
montestewart wrote:As part of the LeBJ's Really a Great Guy campaign, he'll come to DC, win a championship, and make up for all the times he stomped the Wizards in the playoffs. We'll all become BeLeBJers.

I do seem to recall Leb wearing a throwback Wes Unseld jersey before his rookie year.

Nice move by Indiana trading George Hill for Jeff Teague. They finally have a true PG - which should help George and his teammates. And Teague's younger than Hill. Hill is almost certainly on the downhill side of his career. I know Atl wanted to get their younger PG in the starting lineup, but Teague has developed into simply a better all-around player, imo.

It's looking like Atl is going into rebuild mode and expecting Horford to leave. Hmmm, maybe Millsap is available.


Actually, the article I read said this was a move to free up money to keep Horford and Bazmore. They speculated they would use both their pick and the Utah pick to unload more salary.

Splitter and their lower pick for a future first?


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If Splitter was younger, I'd be interested, but I'm not going to trade any future firsts unless we get back something special.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 5 

Post#1816 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:36 pm

I guess the LBJ2DC dream has died.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 5 

Post#1817 » by verbal8 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:49 am

LyricalRico wrote:
queridiculo wrote:Solid move for Chicago and for the Knicks, well, I guess they really didn't care for the Lopez deal..

Best thing to say about that move for the Knicks, they'll have tons of cap space in 2017 and they'll remain in the conversation enough to stay somewhat relevant, even if they don't end up being competitive.


For NY, this feels like a deal an incoming GM would do to clear the cap of players he inherited. But Phil is trading guys he himself just acquired. LOL

I would guess they want to make a splash this summer, so I'm predicting Dwight-to-NY now.

Howard
Porzingis
Melo
FA
Rose

Actually not bad on paper, and they can still be active next summer when Rose is a FA.


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Getting Howard makes the deal for Rose make a lot more sense. If they strike out on Howard, plan B could pretty ugly. Even if they get Howard it will be tough for them to build depth.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 5 

Post#1818 » by verbal8 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:50 am

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:I guess the LBJ2DC dream has died.


It was always more a hallucination than a dream...
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 5 

Post#1819 » by verbal8 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:51 am

I think this will be a very interesting off-season.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 5 

Post#1820 » by Dat2U » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:26 am

verbal8 wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:
queridiculo wrote:Solid move for Chicago and for the Knicks, well, I guess they really didn't care for the Lopez deal..

Best thing to say about that move for the Knicks, they'll have tons of cap space in 2017 and they'll remain in the conversation enough to stay somewhat relevant, even if they don't end up being competitive.


For NY, this feels like a deal an incoming GM would do to clear the cap of players he inherited. But Phil is trading guys he himself just acquired. LOL

I would guess they want to make a splash this summer, so I'm predicting Dwight-to-NY now.

Howard
Porzingis
Melo
FA
Rose

Actually not bad on paper, and they can still be active next summer when Rose is a FA.


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Getting Howard makes the deal for Rose make a lot more sense. If they strike out on Howard, plan B could pretty ugly. Even if they get Howard it will be tough for them to build depth.


Actually, I think signing Howard makes things pretty ugly. I can just imagine Howard's laissez faire personality rubbing off well on Knicks fans after a slow start. Or Rose bristling at the media over his unwillingness to drive to the rim.

A Rose/Howard tandem in NY is a laugh track waiting to happen. Both are well known, over priced & highly overrated. If folks think Howard is still an elite defender... it's time to update your scouting report. He's nowhere close to the guy he was prior to his back surgery.

I'm not sure the Knicks even make the playoffs with those two. I honestly think Rose is the real reason why Chicago didn't make the playoffs.

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