If Okafor is traded for the 3rd pick, who do you want most?

freshie2 · Post #361 » by **freshie2** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 6:53 pm

No to Bledsoe, but I'm fine with Murray or Dunn. Murray has some star quality to him that Hield lacks. If Teague or Hill get you 12, Noel or Okafor gets you in the top 8.

Cru Thik · Post #362 » by **Cru Thik** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:22 pm

Don't see star player in Murray at all. But I agree if Hill gets you 12 in this draft. We should have no problem getting 3 or 4/+ for Noel or Okafor if we want to move them.

Winejk · Post #363 » by **Winejk** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:23 pm

Gsraider wrote:
76ciology wrote:I also think that we tend to overvalue prospects before the draft. Then once we draft them, the illusion of promise diminishes and we face the reality that the rookie has a long way to go before being the player they are hyped to be. While we know Jah and Noel are much experienced players and are better prospects than anyone with the 3rd overall pick, I see atleast no change in their value.

With that said, I do think celtics is in panic mode to dispose that 3rd overall pick. Some rumors said they weren't impressed with Bender while Dunn doesn't want to play their. Hield and Murray are said to be reach with the 3rd overall pick. And again, I don't think there are any players with the 3rd overall pick that is in the same tier with both our bigs as prospects.

Excellent post and totally agree. From a report I read out of Boston, Bender had a horrible workout either for them or one that they witnessed. Meanwhile, Boston absolutely needs a big man and Bender was the only one that might have made any sense at #3. In the end, I just find it comical if anyone in their right mind would suggest that Boston wouldn't select Okafor or Noel at #3 if they were in this draft. Granted, Noel's contract situation muddies the water a bit, but I still believe that Okafor is the guy they want anyway. So, I think Boston continues to try and see if they can acquire a veteran star type for the 3rd pick, but as they are learning, no one is going to part with a star type player for the 3rd pick in a 2 player draft. Just the same, everyone knows that Philly needs guards and swingmen and that their most likely trade bait is either Okafor or Noel. I think that hurts Philly as it relates to most teams, but I'm not sure about with Boston or Phoenix. Much like with Boston, Phoenix is much more loaded in the backcourt than they are upfront and acquiring a big man makes sense for them as much as it does for Boston.

Colangelo just has to realize that Rome was not built in a day and that he has a zillion dollars in cap room, picks galore, and time to see the 76ers improve. Hell, any improvement constitutes success based on last year. On the flipside, Boston is in purgatory now and Phoenix is also a player or two upfront away from taking another step forward. In my estimation, Philly should be the team with the leverage. Let Boston and Phoenix pick from a trio or quartet of guards to add to teams that already are loaded at guard. It would be akin to Philly taking another center.

Hey Gs, how's it going?

Totally agree. Celtics have no leverage. They have 8 picks and no roster spots. They can draft all the stash players they want, but usually stash players are stash players because they're not that good. Boston has to consolidate assets to get a star. That's the only way they progress unless they get lucky on one of the Brooklyn picks. Everyone thinks our bigs are losing value because there's a logjam and not enough minutes. Let's see what happens with Boston's guards when they draft another one. Ainge is on a shorter time line. Philly still has time on its side. Philly just has to show some progress this upcoming season.

Plus for all the bellyaching Boston does about Okafor not being that good, he's certainly better than whatever big men they have now. Okafor would be an improvement to Kelly Olynik, Sullenger and Amir Johnson. Only Johnson plays D.

SelfishPlayer · Post #364 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:23 pm

Read a report that the Celtics worked out Jaylen Brown twice. I think this is the player the Sixers want at #3 and the Celtics know it so they want the Sixers to panic.

PhilasFinest · Post #365 » by **PhilasFinest** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:36 pm

I saw a report earlier suggesting Okafor to the Suns for 4 and Alex Len. Was simply a suggestion though from a Suns guy, nothing concrete

Negrodamus · Post #366 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:41 pm

Stanford wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:I posted it in the other thread, but I could see us interested in Bledsoe + 4. Then with the 4th pick, if the Celts take Dunn, we take Murray.

Bledsoe and their pick? For what?

Refer to the title of this thread. I think that's ample for a hobbled PG.

Gsraider · Post #367 » by **Gsraider** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:44 pm

Winejk wrote:Hey Gs, how's it going?

Totally agree. Celtics have no leverage. They have 8 picks and no roster spots. They can draft all the stash players they want, but usually stash players are stash players because they're not that good. Boston has to consolidate assets to get a star. That's the only way they progress unless they get lucky on one of the Brooklyn picks. Everyone thinks our bigs are losing value because there's a logjam and not enough minutes. Let's see what happens with Boston's guards when they draft another one. Ainge is on a shorter time line. Philly still has time on its side. Philly just has to show some progress this upcoming season.

Plus for all the bellyaching Boston does about Okafor not being that good, he's certainly better than whatever big men they have now. Okafor would be an improvement to Kelly Olynik, Sullenger and Amir Johnson. Only Johnson plays D.

Things are well and always good to hear from an old school poster from message boards past. Since we're on the same page with this, I can only hope Colangelo is as well because I just cannot understand a panicked move by Philly. Not after the season they just had and not with Simmons, Embid, and possibly Saric re-entering the mix. Yes, Philly needs guards in the worst way, but no more than Boston or Phoenix needs bigs. And, as we discussed, I would imagine Boston and Phoenix are more antsy to win with where they are right now than Philly. Boston is exactly where Philly was before the Bynum trade, albeit with more draft picks and that is a TOUGH hurdle to get over. Obviously, Philly went for it with Bynum and we know how that turned out. Yet, without that trade, where was Philly going?

Outside of getting lucky in the draft or in another ridiculous trade like NJ made, why is Boston in any better position in terms of leverage or moving forward than Philly is? Boston is clearly the better team right now, but Philly at least has the prospect of Embid and Simmons. They also have two big men in Noel and Okafor who are far and away superior to anyone Boston has in the middle. Just the same I readily accept that Bradley is far and away superior to anyone in Philly's backcourt (not as sold on Smart). I will further say that they will pull away even more in the backcourt if they get someone like Murray, Dunn or Hield. Of course, that would make them the inverse of Philly, being saturated in the backcourt and having nothing upfront. To that end, I almost hope Ainge out-cheaps himself and is forced to take someone he doesn't want or need. The fact is, Okafor is worth more than the #3 and it helps both teams. Trying to finagle even more out of it is absurd, but classic Ainge. I can only hope Colangelo is not that stupid or desperate.

Post #368 » by **Stanford** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:56 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Stanford wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:I posted it in the other thread, but I could see us interested in Bledsoe + 4. Then with the 4th pick, if the Celts take Dunn, we take Murray.

Bledsoe and their pick? For what?

Refer to the title of this thread. I think that's ample for a hobbled PG.

In addition to the 4th pick? I don't think Okafor alone gets you Bledsoe.

Post #369 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:32 pm

Stanford wrote:In addition to the 4th pick? I don't think Okafor alone gets you Bledsoe.

I do, don't believe he's getting you a top prospect by himself, although including #4 is too much.
He's played in less than half his games since the Suns acquired him 3 years ago.

jbent87 · Post #370 » by **jbent87** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:24 pm

Pretty good piece on the Ringer (of all places) on how CLE winning the ship removed Kevin Love from the trade block and started the snowball of screwing up Bostons leverage.

If Bryan Colangelo blinks first in this staring contest of Okafor for 3 I'm gonna be so disappointed. Danny Ainge is approaching a very high level of frustration. Just wait him out. No rush.

Easymoney · Post #371 » by **Easymoney** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:33 pm

CoreyGallagher wrote:
Stanford wrote:In addition to the 4th pick? I don't think Okafor alone gets you Bledsoe.

I do, don't believe he's getting you a top prospect by himself, although including #4 is too much.
He's played in less than half his games since the Suns acquired him 3 years ago.

This is why I wouldn't trade for Bledsoe. I have a mini panic attack every time I see a new post in the Embiid thread and I do not wish to double that anxiety.

Gsraider · Post #372 » by **Gsraider** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:37 pm

jbent87 wrote:Pretty good piece on the Ringer (of all places) on how CLE winning the ship removed Kevin Love from the trade block and started the snowball of screwing up Bostons leverage.

If Bryan Colangelo blinks first in this staring contest of Okafor for 3 I'm gonna be so disappointed. Danny Ainge is approaching a very high level of frustration. Just wait him out. No rush.

I was not overly pleased when Colangelo took over the GM spot and it's with regard to trades, particularly veteran where his history appears to be the most spotty. He has to remain patient here. Giving up on Okafor for anything less than #3 is just plain foolish and short sighted. Perhaps Ainge can pull something off for the #3 pick, but as he's finding out, the value of picks after the top 2 takes a bit of a hit. Colangelo needs to remember that himself.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #373 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:32 am

Been thinking, and I have a feeling the Sixers were not seriously pursuing Rose or Teague and BC leaked that to send a message to Boston or other teams "Hey, we don't need Kris Dunn, we'll just get ourselves a vet if you don't take our offer."

Then coincidentally it comes out later tonight that the guys Boston is targeting at 3 are Kris Dunn and Jaylen Brown. The two guys people suspect BC wants.

I think both are playing games, trying to get the other to bite on demands.

freshie2 · Post #374 » by **freshie2** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:40 am

I don't think Brown is a target. Dunn or Murray make the most sense if they are trading back into the top 5. Brown may be a bit of a project, unless they view him as a tier above Winslow?? I'm ecstatic if the get Dunn or Murray, I'm holding my breath if it's Brown.

Post #375 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:05 am

jbent87 wrote:Pretty good piece on the Ringer (of all places) on how CLE winning the ship removed Kevin Love from the trade block and started the snowball of screwing up Bostons leverage.

If Bryan Colangelo blinks first in this staring contest of Okafor for 3 I'm gonna be so disappointed. Danny Ainge is approaching a very high level of frustration. Just wait him out. No rush.

Using that logic, wouldn't Teague, Hill and Rose getting dealt have the same impact against Philly? Who else is Philly going to add at PG?

For what it's worth, I don't think either side has leverage over the other. I think Ainge genuinely likes Noel more than Okafor (he fits our defensive and offensive strategies way more), and isn't going to trade #3 for a guy 1 year away from RFA. I don't think there's a good asset that fairly bridges the gap between the two sides, which is why no deal has been made (or will be, in my opinion).

Post #376 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:08 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:Been thinking, and I have a feeling the Sixers were not seriously pursuing Rose or Teague and BC leaked that to send a message to Boston or other teams "Hey, we don't need Kris Dunn, we'll just get ourselves a vet if you don't take our offer."

Then coincidentally it comes out later tonight that the guys Boston is targeting at 3 are Kris Dunn and Jaylen Brown. The two guys people suspect BC wants.

I think both are playing games, trying to get the other to bite on demands.

Darren Wolfson (Minny beat writer) reported this past weekend that Brown cancelled his workout with the Wolves to take a second workout with Boston. Ainge personally scouted Dunn 5-10 times at PC this year. Their interest in both are likely genuine and not a game.

spikeslovechild · Post #377 » by **spikeslovechild** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:18 am

If Okafor is traded for the third pick I'm done. Not going to watch BC destroy another team brick by brick.

BTW, Dunn/Murray/Hield/Brown all have more flaws to their game then Okafor but of course that never gets talked about because they are the next shiny thing.

Heck, Dunn and Hield are 2-3 years older.

Kobblehead · Post #378 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:28 am

G Isaiah Thomas / Kris Dunn / Terry Rozier
G Avery Bradley / Marcus Smart / R.J. Hunter / James Young
F Jae Crowder
F Kelly Olynyk / Jonas Jerebko
C Amir Johnson / Jordan Mickey

FA: Jared Sullinger, Evan Turner, Tyler Zeller

Six first round picks in the backcourt, lol.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #379 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:29 am

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:Been thinking, and I have a feeling the Sixers were not seriously pursuing Rose or Teague and BC leaked that to send a message to Boston or other teams "Hey, we don't need Kris Dunn, we'll just get ourselves a vet if you don't take our offer."

Then coincidentally it comes out later tonight that the guys Boston is targeting at 3 are Kris Dunn and Jaylen Brown. The two guys people suspect BC wants.

I think both are playing games, trying to get the other to bite on demands.

Darren Wolfson (Minny beat writer) reported this past weekend that Brown cancelled his workout with the Wolves to take a second workout with Boston. Ainge personally scouted Dunn 5-10 times at PC this year. Their interest in both are likely genuine and not a game.

Ouch, my condolences. I mean, it's known Ainge is an awful GM, but to take Brown at 3? Yeesh.

Post #380 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:35 am

Kobblehead wrote:G Isaiah Thomas / Kris Dunn / Terry Rozier
G Avery Bradley / Marcus Smart / R.J. Hunter / James Young
F Jae Crowder
F Kelly Olynyk / Jonas Jerebko
C Amir Johnson / Jordan Mickey

FA: Jared Sullinger, Evan Turner, Tyler Zeller

Six first round picks in the backcourt, lol.

Is five first round picks (including 4 picks taken in the top 6 of the past four drafts) in the front court much better?

Who would you take at 3 if the pick is obtained?