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Raptors Are Using IBM’s Watson to Draft A Winning Team

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Re: Raptors Are Using IBM’s Watson to Draft A Winning Team 

Post#21 » by Mikistan » Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:22 pm

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MadDogSHWA wrote:Even if it makes you take a better look at a player or two there is value here.

I've been a software dev full time since 2007 and AI is still in it's infancy which is why K-Tec doesn't sound confident.


I'd like to add that Watson is crunching data to make the best pick, and am confident that Watson will make the right choice based off of the data. But there are other important factors that Watson won't be able to measure (ie. Basketball IQ, heart...) which are just as important and that will be decided by Masai.


I feel like there is enough historical data for drafts going back to the 90s for college stats + highschool stats + pick ranges + actual NBA performance since that you would be able to get some okay machine learning going

that way you aren't taking the 2016 draft class as the starting point, and some correlations between college stats and NBA success are included in analysis in 2016.

But again, its subjective because you also need to analyze the "soft" factors like you mentioned. Maybe its as easy as having a range of analysts rank prospects on IQ/Heart on a number scale, might not be the best way to do it, but it can add that factor quantifiably and using an average of unbiased users may bring the rating scale to the truth

I feel like this would be best for finding "diamonds in the rough" for the late 1st or 2nd round - but even then, it would be a tool to see names you maybe didn't look at in the conventional ways - and it may skew performances in lesser conferences/leagues if the raw starts are stronger

Watson's a smart guy tho, hes good at chess right
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Re: Raptors Are Using IBM’s Watson to Draft A Winning Team 

Post#22 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:25 pm

They use versions of him to plan on a governmental level. Streamline grids, medical systems etc.

It's a good idea. If it works for governments and fortune 500's, why not us?
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Post#23 » by Throwback24 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:25 pm

and the rare problem of too many talented young players. This has left Ujiri with a dilemma.


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Re: Raptors Are Using IBM’s Watson to Draft A Winning Team 

Post#25 » by Raps Maniac » Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:09 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JLew1050/status/697483102633889792[/tweet]
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Re: Raptors Are Using IBM’s Watson to Draft A Winning Team 

Post#26 » by Basketball_Jones » Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:25 pm

There's a lot of factors Watson can't measure, like playing in a weaker conference, playing against small college players, athleticism translating to the NBA, etc. That's why drafting can be such a crap shoot.
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Re: Raptors Are Using IBM’s Watson to Draft A Winning Team 

Post#27 » by notsla refar » Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:44 pm

How soon before a team hires Watson as their GM?
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Re: Raptors Are Using IBM’s Watson to Draft A Winning Team 

Post#28 » by Mikistan » Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:52 pm

Basketball_Jones wrote:There's a lot of factors Watson can't measure, like playing in a weaker conference, playing against small college players, athleticism translating to the NBA, etc. That's why drafting can be such a crap shoot.


I disagree - if you have the big data, its very easy to create some MMR system that adjusts based on game stats if players against other players in the draft. That way if a player gets schooled by another potential draftee, the up/down movement in their rankings would be set. All you need is the play-by-play data, which might be tough to get in lessor conferences, but still doable...

And you can have all the draft combine info too about size and weight and hops and whatever built into your analysis too, it just comes down to the proper weighting on the right factors --- which gets refined over time as more data, and machine learning comes in!
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Post#29 » by agentzero2010 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:53 pm

Next season Matt will be reading: IBM, the official scout of the Toronto Raptors.
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Post#30 » by agentzero2010 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:56 pm

Raps Maniac wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/JLew1050/status/697483102633889792[/tweet]


All this and they will probably and most likely draft a project player or 2, trade it for a rotation player. Fool me once with Bruno, shame on you, fool me twice with Delon Wright, shame on me, fool me a third time with the 9th pick, Im just going to ignore the draft
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Post#31 » by TheGoodDoctor » Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:00 pm

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Post#32 » by Fairview4Life » Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:10 pm

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Re: Raptors Are Using IBM’s Watson to Draft A Winning Team 

Post#33 » by vancityballer » Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:15 pm

agentzero2010 wrote:
Raps Maniac wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/JLew1050/status/697483102633889792[/tweet]


All this and they will probably and most likely draft a project player or 2, trade it for a rotation player. Fool me once with Bruno, shame on you, fool me twice with Delon Wright, shame on me, fool me a third time with the 9th pick, Im just going to ignore the draft


I get the statement, but I'm not as worried about Delon as I am Bruno. Bruno just looks disinterested and lost. Delon has shown a real drive and flashes of being quite good down the road. He just needs more playing time.
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Re: Raptors Are Using IBM’s Watson to Draft A Winning Team 

Post#34 » by RedX » Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:43 pm

agentzero2010 wrote:
Raps Maniac wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/JLew1050/status/697483102633889792[/tweet]


All this and they will probably and most likely draft a project player or 2, trade it for a rotation player. Fool me once with Bruno, shame on you, fool me twice with Delon Wright, shame on me, fool me a third time with the 9th pick, Im just going to ignore the draft


Dude.... for where Delon was drafted he looks excellent, and Bruno... he was drafted as a prospect, and he's been exactly that. We're talking about a 9th pick this year.

You make it sound like previous picks were top 5... come on man, stop fooling yourself.

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Post#35 » by TheGoodDoctor » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:54 am

Both picks high PERs....I think IBM Watson was promoted to Assistant GM this evening!

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Post#36 » by Inklink » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:59 am

Raps Maniac wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/JLew1050/status/697483102633889792[/tweet]


Looks like a place where Casey would hit the wrong button and a random name is transmitted to Silver's earpiece backstage at the draft.
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Re: Raptors Are Using IBM’s Watson to Draft A Winning Team 

Post#37 » by LRJ » Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:03 am

Mad Prophet wrote:This is what happened when they picked Araujo.

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Post#38 » by RIP Kobe » Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:06 am

Mad Prophet wrote:This is what happened when they picked Araujo.

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GOAT post. :lol:
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Post#39 » by bboyskinnylegs » Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:18 am

would love to learn more about the way this ANN is setup perform this kind of analysis.
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Re: Raptors Are Using IBM’s Watson to Draft A Winning Team 

Post#40 » by Shimso » Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:30 am

someone needs to get started on a fire watson sig ready for us

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