2016 Draft Thread Part 4

[Waylay13]

I really like Payton, I think you matched him up with someone else who can run the offense you might be able to get some really good value out of him.

[JMac1]

For all the guys that are singing for Hield and J. Murray I keep going back to the famous saying by Red Auerbach, "You can't teach height." Both Hield and J. Murray are small for their natural position of shooting guard and both of them dont have the skills that Booker has. At least with Chriss or Bender you have some biggest that can learn more about to play the game but you cant teach Hield and Murray how to grow another couple inches.

Buddy already debunked that. 6'5 in shoes with a 6'9 wingspan an 35 plus vertical and 212lbs with a 8'5 standing reach.... I guess you think a SG should be the size of Durant.

No but I dont see any sense in wasting a pick on a player who is worst then the person starting there when you need someone to fill in at an open spot. Both Hield and J. Murray may end up being good players but they are not going to good players riding the bench behind Booker, Knight, Goodwin and next year when Bogdanovic comes over they will be behind him. Booker and Hield dont have size (both in mass and height to play small forward. So you are basically saying you want to spend the 4th pick on a role player who will only play at most 18 for the foreseeable future. No offense but how is it that you cant see that while Hield may be a nice player he wont be one one the Suns?

Gambo has said it a ton, Booker is now 6'7. Doug also mentioned putting Booker at the SF. If Booker grows to be 7'0 are you still going to play him at SG because he was drafted at that? I can't understand why it is so hard for people to understand that the NBA is position-less.

If you trade Knight and the #13 for Okafor or sign Barnes.

Bledsoe
Hield
Booker
Okafor or Barnes
Chandler

To hell with defense for the whiners, I am saying stop us mutha effas! We would rape teams offensively.

[JMac1]

Since the average height for a SG in the NBA is 6'6".

Really...1 inch?

One inch makes a difference.

Only when you are with your girl, not on the court

[Cactus Jack]

Buddy already debunked that. 6'5 in shoes with a 6'9 wingspan an 35 plus vertical and 212lbs with a 8'5 standing reach.... I guess you think a SG should be the size of Durant.

No but I dont see any sense in wasting a pick on a player who is worst then the person starting there when you need someone to fill in at an open spot. Both Hield and J. Murray may end up being good players but they are not going to good players riding the bench behind Booker, Knight, Goodwin and next year when Bogdanovic comes over they will be behind him. Booker and Hield dont have size (both in mass and height to play small forward. So you are basically saying you want to spend the 4th pick on a role player who will only play at most 18 for the foreseeable future. No offense but how is it that you cant see that while Hield may be a nice player he wont be one one the Suns?

Gambo has said it a ton, Booker is now 6'7. Doug also mentioned putting Booker at the SF. If Booker grows to be 7'0 are you still going to play him at SG because he was drafted at that? I can't understand why it is so hard for people to understand that the NBA is position-less.

If you trade Knight and the #13 for Okafor or sign Barnes.

Bledsoe
Hield
Booker
Okafor or Barnes
Chandler

To hell with defense for the whiners, I am saying stop us mutha effas! We would rape teams offensively.

I was on board with you, until you brought up signing Barnes as a possibility.

[NavLDO]

That's not even true, I saw mocks last year with us having Booker and 2 years ago with Warren.

I also don't think they're as need based as you're making it seem. As has been said many times, this isn't about drafting the player who's the best player now it's who's going to be the best player over their career.

I agree. On draft night last year, it was widely known that if Booker was on the board at 13, he was our pick.

There were also rumors up to a day or two prior that we gave Warren a 'promise' at 14.

I'd seriously pay attention to what is reported this afternoon/evening, and would expect that to be ground truth IRT our picks.

[Cactus Jack]

Really...1 inch?

One inch makes a difference.

Only when you are with your girl, not on the court

Lmao

[JMac1]

No but I dont see any sense in wasting a pick on a player who is worst then the person starting there when you need someone to fill in at an open spot. Both Hield and J. Murray may end up being good players but they are not going to good players riding the bench behind Booker, Knight, Goodwin and next year when Bogdanovic comes over they will be behind him. Booker and Hield dont have size (both in mass and height to play small forward. So you are basically saying you want to spend the 4th pick on a role player who will only play at most 18 for the foreseeable future. No offense but how is it that you cant see that while Hield may be a nice player he wont be one one the Suns?

Gambo has said it a ton, Booker is now 6'7. Doug also mentioned putting Booker at the SF. If Booker grows to be 7'0 are you still going to play him at SG because he was drafted at that? I can't understand why it is so hard for people to understand that the NBA is position-less.

If you trade Knight and the #13 for Okafor or sign Barnes.

Bledsoe
Hield
Booker
Okafor or Barnes
Chandler

To hell with defense for the whiners, I am saying stop us mutha effas! We would rape teams offensively.

I was on board with you, until you brought up signing Barnes as a possibility.

Gotta fill the PF vacancy to rationalize drafting Hield... Come on Cactus.

[saintEscaton]

I'm not as big of a Bender fan as bwgood, but I think we will deeply regret passing on him for Chriss. Seems like its a foregone conclusion

[Cactus Jack]

Gambo has said it a ton, Booker is now 6'7. Doug also mentioned putting Booker at the SF. If Booker grows to be 7'0 are you still going to play him at SG because he was drafted at that? I can't understand why it is so hard for people to understand that the NBA is position-less.

If you trade Knight and the #13 for Okafor or sign Barnes.

Bledsoe
Hield
Booker
Okafor or Barnes
Chandler

To hell with defense for the whiners, I am saying stop us mutha effas! We would rape teams offensively.

I was on board with you, until you brought up signing Barnes as a possibility.

Gotta fill the PF vacancy to rationalize drafting Hield... Come on Cactus.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean you give Barnes the max. Lol

[JMac1]

Ok gotta go hit legs, abs, and cardio before I turn into the couch potato for the draft. Hopefully there will be some good news when I return.

[NavLDO]

Don't forget the Bledsoe tweet. We might go Hield and sign Barnes. That's not a bad team, especially when you throw in all of the unknowns of the players. You know exactly what you are getting in Hield, a "one trick pony" that has one helluva trick.

Actually, it is--that's all Offense, no Defense. And again, Why are so many taking the 25% evidence as ground truth over the other 75% evidence that says he's not as good as his senior numbers indicate.

It's like what was reported yesterday, or the day before; last year at this time, Hield was a 2nd Rd prospect at best, and Chriss wasn;t even really on anyone's radar.

So I'm being fair here; I would LOVE the Chriss pick, but the evidence against him is strong; he wasn't a top player last year at this time, had one good shooting season, but that could be 'fool's gold' just as much as Hield is.

Honestly, right now, and I indicated as much on the poll, I would "Reach" for Ellenson at 4. Then I'd go either Davis or Sabonis at 13. And if not another PF at 13, I sure has heck would grab a Niang, Carter, Jr., or Brice Johnson at 28 as a back-up in case Ellenson doesn't workout out (or Chriss, if he is the pick).

I know, my opinion is highly unpopular, but that's what I'm feeling right now.

[bwgood77]

Buddy already debunked that. 6'5 in shoes with a 6'9 wingspan an 35 plus vertical and 212lbs with a 8'5 standing reach.... I guess you think a SG should be the size of Durant.

No but I dont see any sense in wasting a pick on a player who is worst then the person starting there when you need someone to fill in at an open spot. Both Hield and J. Murray may end up being good players but they are not going to good players riding the bench behind Booker, Knight, Goodwin and next year when Bogdanovic comes over they will be behind him. Booker and Hield dont have size (both in mass and height to play small forward. So you are basically saying you want to spend the 4th pick on a role player who will only play at most 18 for the foreseeable future. No offense but how is it that you cant see that while Hield may be a nice player he wont be one one the Suns?

Gambo has said it a ton, Booker is now 6'7. Doug also mentioned putting Booker at the SF. If Booker grows to be 7'0 are you still going to play him at SG because he was drafted at that? I can't understand why it is so hard for people to understand that the NBA is position-less.

If you trade Knight and the #13 for Okafor or sign Barnes.

Bledsoe
Hield
Booker
Okafor or Barnes
Chandler

To hell with defense for the whiners, I am saying stop us mutha effas! We would rape teams offensively.

How many times are you going to post this lineup? This is like the 10th time. Expecting people to finally say "Yes, I see it now....Hield and Barnes and we are going places!"

[rsavaj]

Buddy already debunked that. 6'5 in shoes with a 6'9 wingspan an 35 plus vertical and 212lbs with a 8'5 standing reach.... I guess you think a SG should be the size of Durant.

No but I dont see any sense in wasting a pick on a player who is worst then the person starting there when you need someone to fill in at an open spot. Both Hield and J. Murray may end up being good players but they are not going to good players riding the bench behind Booker, Knight, Goodwin and next year when Bogdanovic comes over they will be behind him. Booker and Hield dont have size (both in mass and height to play small forward. So you are basically saying you want to spend the 4th pick on a role player who will only play at most 18 for the foreseeable future. No offense but how is it that you cant see that while Hield may be a nice player he wont be one one the Suns?

Gambo has said it a ton, Booker is now 6'7. Doug also mentioned putting Booker at the SF. If Booker grows to be 7'0 are you still going to play him at SG because he was drafted at that? I can't understand why it is so hard for people to understand that the NBA is position-less.

If you trade Knight and the #13 for Okafor or sign Barnes.

Bledsoe
Hield
Booker
Okafor or Barnes
Chandler

To hell with defense for the whiners, I am saying stop us mutha effas! We would rape teams offensively.

"to hell with defense" has never been a philosophy that has won a title

[saintEscaton]

No but I dont see any sense in wasting a pick on a player who is worst then the person starting there when you need someone to fill in at an open spot. Both Hield and J. Murray may end up being good players but they are not going to good players riding the bench behind Booker, Knight, Goodwin and next year when Bogdanovic comes over they will be behind him. Booker and Hield dont have size (both in mass and height to play small forward. So you are basically saying you want to spend the 4th pick on a role player who will only play at most 18 for the foreseeable future. No offense but how is it that you cant see that while Hield may be a nice player he wont be one one the Suns?

Gambo has said it a ton, Booker is now 6'7. Doug also mentioned putting Booker at the SF. If Booker grows to be 7'0 are you still going to play him at SG because he was drafted at that? I can't understand why it is so hard for people to understand that the NBA is position-less.

If you trade Knight and the #13 for Okafor or sign Barnes.

Bledsoe
Hield
Booker
Okafor or Barnes
Chandler

To hell with defense for the whiners, I am saying stop us mutha effas! We would rape teams offensively.

"to hell with defense" has never been a philosophy that has won a title

This is the Suns we are talking about. Gotta stay true to your roots

[Waylay13]

Gambo has said it a ton, Booker is now 6'7. Doug also mentioned putting Booker at the SF. If Booker grows to be 7'0 are you still going to play him at SG because he was drafted at that? I can't understand why it is so hard for people to understand that the NBA is position-less.

If you trade Knight and the #13 for Okafor or sign Barnes.

Bledsoe
Hield
Booker
Okafor or Barnes
Chandler

To hell with defense for the whiners, I am saying stop us mutha effas! We would rape teams offensively.

I was on board with you, until you brought up signing Barnes as a possibility.

Gotta fill the PF vacancy to rationalize drafting Hield... Come on Cactus.

While a 6'7" might play small forward a 6'7" 205 lbs is going to get taken low and foul out in 15 minutes due to his limited muscle mass. Barnes is a small forward at 6'8" 230. While you might be able to cover for being a little short if are athletic, smart and strong but if you are short and weak you might as well give it up.

[SarcasticSun]

Thought you all were talking about signing Matt Barnes, then I saw max contract and it clicked... Harrison! ...I think I'd rather have Matt, he would at least have a chance to live up to his contract.

Anyhow, I hope Chriss is a Sun by the end of the day.

[bwgood77]

I'm not as big of a Bender fan as bwgood, but I think we will deeply regret passing on him for Chriss. Seems like its a foregone conclusion

I have plenty of worries about Bender too, specifically getting pushed around in the post against nba bigs, but I have bigger worries about everyone else who are either low iq, extremely turnover prone, lacking defensive skills, etc. He's just simply BPA if he is there.

I'll be ok with Chriss but he seems to have far more red flags. It's a very scary pick. May be exciting, but my bust factor with him is definitely higher than Bender.

I wouldn't totally mind Dunn if we really are thinking about or going to trade Bledsoe but Bender is definitely more intriguing.

[Qwigglez]

I hope we either get Bender or Dunn...

[NavLDO]

Sources say Phoenix, in its failed trade pitch to convince Utah to surrender Gordon Hayward, tried to pair Eric Bledsoe with a lottery pick

The growing sense in league circles is that the Suns are determined to move either Bledsoe or Brandon Knight before the start of next season

https://mobile.twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/745982669872193536

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Sound like a guard is coming to town Hield. Draft him then go from there. Much safer and more ready pick.

How is he safer?? Safer than whom??? Chriss? Yeah, likely, but I'd Trust Ellenson, Davis, and Poeltl over Hield. Like was said,

"He drives left almost exclusively..."

"He can be a little bit predictable when putting the ball on the floor, as he almost always pulls up off the dribble or tries to execute a step back when driving left, and will try to get all the way to the rim when going right (which is rare)."

"Hield also doesn't offer much as a passer or facilitator, sporting the second lowest pure point rating and assist to turnover ratio among the shooting guards in our Top-100 prospect rankings."

"The other pressing question surrounding Hield is his defense."

"Still, he is undoubtedly undersized for a shooting guard at 6'4 ½ in shoes, which limits his versatility at the NBA level. While he played mostly the small forward position in college, his lack of size will make it difficult for him to cover many of the bigger wings he'll encounter, and he does not appear to possess great lateral quickness to stay in front of ultra-athletic guards."

How is that safer?? Because he can catch and shoot? He can't successfully drive to the Right...how difficult will that be to defend?? Not at all. And he can't defend SFs or SGs, so great, we get another poor defender.

If we are going to go "Guard or Bust", then I'd rather they go for Dunn, but ultimately, I'd prefer Baldwin, or a different PG later at 28 or34.

[Saberestar]

Kris Dunn has significant traction in Boston as No. 3 pick, sources tell @TheVertical. No final decision -- and trades remain on table.