Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI

[Ruzious]

Well, the East keeps getting a little better. At least the bottom is now that Ibaka is headed to the Magic.

But he's a free agent next year. I think OKC fleeced Orlando - getting Oladipo, Sabonis, and Ilyasova.

[Ruzious]

I also think Phoenix fleeced the geniuses at Sacramento - trading the 13th pick (remember the 13 pick?????) and the 28th pick for #8. Chriss will be a stud - and would have been perfect for Sacramento.

[keynote]

Free Boogie!
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[LyricalRico]

[Ruzious]

Free Boogie!
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That is just amazing how incompetent Sacramento is. They could have had Chriss - who would have been a perfect complement to Cousins. Instead, they trade down and pick yet another center - one who's just about as raw as Thon Maker. Un Bee ieevable.

[keynote]

Free Boogie!
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That is just amazing how incompetent Sacramento is. They could have had Chriss - who would have been a perfect complement to Cousins. Instead, they trade down and pick yet another center - one who's just about as raw as Thon Maker. Un Bee ieevable.

Yeah, on top of that, Georgios has gotta be the softest-looking skinny-fat big I've seen since Seven-Day Blatche. No muscle tone = no bueno.

[Ruzious]

Free Boogie!
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That is just amazing how incompetent Sacramento is. They could have had Chriss - who would have been a perfect complement to Cousins. Instead, they trade down and pick yet another center - one who's just about as raw as Thon Maker. Un Bee ieevable.

Yeah, on top of that, Georgios has gotta be the softest-looking skinny-fat big I've seen since Seven-Day Blatche. No muscle tone = no bueno.

Vlade must have seen himself in Georgios.

[gambitx777]

Well I would say lets sogn and trade beal but ...... beal will never go to the kings.

[gambitx777]

Damn i was hoping we would trade in for Pascal Siakam

[benb331]

I thought I'd be disinterested in the Wizards' off-season, given the organisation's lack of a draft pick. Is this the most active trade season in recent post-finals history? It seems that the surplus of cap space has led to a flurry of deals. Every rumor spurs a post, "How can we get in on this?"

[JWizmentality]

Waiting for that Cousins for Beal trade

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[dangermouse]

BREAKING NEWS

[verbal8]

Waiting for that Cousins for Beal trade

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I don't think they have enough Centers on their roster, maybe they can sign Dwight Howard.

The Kings have really painted themselves into a corner. A Beal for Cousins deal would be poor value, but it would make a lot of sense for them. I figure even with their lack of leverage, they probably could get Porter also.

[stevemcqueen1]

I can't get behind gutting the roster for Cousins. That is entirely too much faith placed in him. We've been waiting for him to get it together for six years and it hasn't happened. The kid is hopelessly immature.

[fishercob]

I can't get behind gutting the roster for Cousins. That is entirely too much faith placed in him. We've been waiting for him to get it together for six years and it hasn't happened. The kid is hopelessly immature.

I agree. I will never forget what Jay Bilas said before the 2010 draft. Bilas is a sober analyst. not prone to hyperbole -- except perhaps when talking about physical measurables. He said he had worked with Cousins and simply wouldn't draft him. He's used some euphemisms to basically say that Cousins was too big of an as*hole to risk having on your team. Cousins has flashed supreme talent, yes. Sacramento has been a picture of dysfunction, yes. But Cousins has done little to nothing to dispel his bad rap. To boot, while he's uber-talented and put up huge counting stats, his inefficiency makes him not particularly productive. Maybe after some more humbling, aging, and maturing, he can take the Rasheed Wallace route and be some team's final piece. But I wouldn't build around him; no way.

[nate33]

I can't get behind gutting the roster for Cousins. That is entirely too much faith placed in him. We've been waiting for him to get it together for six years and it hasn't happened. The kid is hopelessly immature.

I agree. I will never forget what Jay Bilas said before the 2010 draft. Bilas is a sober analyst. not prone to hyperbole -- except perhaps when talking about physical measurables. He said he had worked with Cousins and simply wouldn't draft him. He's used some euphemisms to basically say that Cousins was too big of an as*hole to risk having on your team. Cousins has flashed supreme talent, yes. Sacramento has been a picture of dysfunction, yes. But Cousins has done little to nothing to dispel his bad rap. To boot, while he's uber-talented and put up huge counting stats, his inefficiency makes him not particularly productive. Maybe after some more humbling, aging, and maturing, he can take the Rasheed Wallace route and be some team's final piece. But I wouldn't build around him; no way.

I agree with this. But the question is, when will that "humbling, aging and maturing" kick in? A lucky team will obtain Cousins while his value is low due to his immaturity, and then reap the benefits as Cousins matures. Who will be that team? When does it happen? Will it ever happen?

It's probably too soon to make a move for Cousins now. The cost to obtain him is still high and he might still be a few years away from maturing. But I'd be keeping an eye on him.

I'm trying to think of other examples where a talented player who was a world class jerk and/or underachiever matured and became a late-blooming star. Rasheed is a good one. Ominously, I can't think of many others. Does Chris Webber count? Lamar Odom?

[Ruzious]

I can't get behind gutting the roster for Cousins. That is entirely too much faith placed in him. We've been waiting for him to get it together for six years and it hasn't happened. The kid is hopelessly immature.

But don't you think a lot of the problems he's gone through was caused by the circus that Sac's terrible management has caused? The one coach that did reasonably well there - Brendan Malone - was fired, and a decent reason was never given. George Karl was hired, and he's always had a screw loose. The closest thing they've had to a PG was Isaiah Thomas - who's much more scorer than distributor - and they made zero effort to re-sign him when he became a free agent. The best player they've had to team with Cousins has probably been Rudy Gay - who was a very inefficient scorer when they acquired him. They had Karl and Vlade clearly on different pages last season. It's a bad situation that he's been put in. I'm more worried about his turnovers than his maturity.

[keynote]

I'm trying to think of other examples where a talented player who was a world class jerk and/or underachiever matured and became a late-blooming star. Rasheed is a good one. Ominously, I can't think of many others. Does Chris Webber count? Lamar Odom?

I'd add Zach Randolph to that list.

[stevemcqueen1]

I can't get behind gutting the roster for Cousins. That is entirely too much faith placed in him. We've been waiting for him to get it together for six years and it hasn't happened. The kid is hopelessly immature.

But don't you think a lot of the problems he's gone through was caused by the circus that Sac's terrible management has caused? The one coach that did reasonably well there - Brendan Malone - was fired, and a decent reason was never given. George Karl was hired, and he's always had a screw loose. The closest thing they've had to a PG was Isaiah Thomas - who's much more scorer than distributor - and they made zero effort to re-sign him when he became a free agent. The best player they've had to team with Cousins has probably been Rudy Gay - who was a very inefficient scorer when they acquired him. They had Karl and Vlade clearly on different pages last season. It's a bad situation that he's been put in. I'm more worried about his turnovers than his maturity.

I think the situation made everything worse. But Cousins is still very immature, and you can see the evidence of that in the way he conducts himself both on and off the court. Complaining through social media, getting into arguments, and shutting it down on the court and giving zero effort for stretches as a passive aggressive demonstration of unhappiness. It's like he hasn't really grown up and he's now going into year six. We can't keep waiting around on him to get what it means to be a real pro and a franchise player. Eventually we have to decide that he just is who he is. I think fishercob is right, the way to be a winner with a player like Cousins is to bring him in as a hired gun and a final piece, like Sheed. Never put yourself in a position where you can't walk away from him without blowing your team up and getting everyone fired, because I bet there will be hard times where he shuts down on you and the relationship gets poisonous no matter where he ends up.

And for having the fourth longest tenured GM in the NBA ( ), our organization and it's culture are really shaky. We will just never truly feel safe from falling back in the gutter. I don't think we are well equipped to cope with making such a destabilizing player a part of our foundation.

[payitforward]

If I had to choose between giving Cousins a new, full max and giving Joakim Noah the same deal -- I'd go with Noah. And, I also think that giving Noah such a deal would be a disaster.

People keep saying that Cousins has put up "monster stats" or at least "outstanding" ones. But, he hasn't. He scores a lot of points, but that's because he takes a lot of shots -- at a low efficiency. The more low efficiency shooting a team has the more games that team loses. Cousins is not a good scorer in the least.

Cousins does get lots of rebounds. But he mullifies too many of them by his incresible penchant for turning the ball over. Net that out in comparison to other Centers, and he's nothing special.

Happily, we don't seem to be thinking of trading for Cousins -- whew! Instead, we are thinking of maxxing Joakim Noah.

You know, they say that when you are in a hole, the first thing you should do is stop digging. Ernie seems to take the opposite view.

Anyone ready to stomach another slide down to 30 or fewer wins?