2016 NBA Draft Thread

[Hawkeyes]

lol, we just made the team that swept us even better. Only the Hawks.

[Jamaaliver]

So, four months ago, we were in talks to trade Teague for Vic Oladipo. Four weeks ago, we were in talks to trade Teague for Nerlens Noel.

We ultimately trade Teague for...Taurean Price?

Bud still thinks too much like a coach. Looking for specific fit and immediate need, instead of long-term value and overall potential.

He's still trying to build around a Horford-Millsap led team. And that seems a short-sighted, almost stubborn approach. as other teams build around talent and adjust the schemes accordingly, we focus solely on system fit...to modest results.

Time will tell how these guys fit, but using the first lottery pick we've had in almost a decade on a role player...is mind numbingly bad.

Where is this team headed long term?

[ATL Boy]

I feel like this situation can be salvaged, in terms of winning now and extending the window.

If we go after Dwight and opt to pair him with Horford, I'm sure that we could get a great return for Millsap. If the Thunder got Dipo, Ersan, and number 11 for Ibaka I'm sure we could get more for Paul. Serge is an expiring and despite being younger, Millsap is clearly a much superior player.

Knowing Bud though, he'll hold on to Millsap no matter what.


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[simon24]

So, four months ago, we were in talks to trade Teague for Vic Oladipo. Four weeks ago, we were in talks to trade Teague for Nerlens Noel.

We ultimately trade Teague for...Taurean Price?

Bud still thinks too much like a coach. Looking for specific fit and immediate need, instead of long-term value and overall potential.

He's still trying to build around a Horford-Millsap led team. And that seems a short-sighted, almost stubborn approach. as other teams build around talent and adjust the schemes accordingly, we focus solely on system fit...to modest results.

Time will tell how these guys fit, but using the first lottery pick we've had in almost a decade on a role player...is mind numbingly bad.

Where is this team headed long term?

Another second round exit. I'm sure Bus traded Teague so they have enough money to resign Baze.

This team is MEM East.

[simon24]

I feel like this situation can be salvaged, in terms of winning now and extending the window.

If we go after Dwight and opt to pair him with Horford, I'm sure that we could get a great return for Millsap. If the Thunder got Dipo, Ersan, and number 11 for Ibaka I'm sure we could get more for Paul. Serge is an expiring and despite being younger, Millsap is clearly a much superior player.

Knowing Bud though, he'll hold on to Millsap no matter what.


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Bud seems too loyal to Millsap.

[Hawk Eye]

So, four months ago, we were in talks to trade Teague for Vic Oladipo. Four weeks ago, we were in talks to trade Teague for Nerlens Noel.

We ultimately trade Teague for...Taurean Price?

Bud still thinks too much like a coach. Looking for specific fit and immediate need, instead of long-term value and overall potential.

He's still trying to build around a Horford-Millsap led team. And that seems a short-sighted, almost stubborn approach. as other teams build around talent and adjust the schemes accordingly, we focus solely on system fit...to modest results.

Time will tell how these guys fit, but using the first lottery pick we've had in almost a decade on a role player...is mind numbingly bad.

Where is this team headed long term?

Hopefully the dumpster

[Hawk Eye]

Just wondering, is anyone here in favor of a rebuild or is that just me?

[MaceCase]

I think the Oladipo trade demonstrated that he was vastly overrated on this board given that he's gone from "top SG in the league!" to Dion Waiters' replacement.

[Jamaaliver]

I'm sure Bus traded Teague so they have enough money to resign Baze.

This team is MEM East.

But with Korver, Thabo, THJ and two first round wing players...does it make sense to offer big money or a long contract to Kent Bazemore as well?

This seems like (possibly) insurance against us missing out on KB24.

I think the Oladipo trade demonstrated that he was vastly overrated on this board given that he's gone from "top SG in the league!" to Dion Waiters' replacement.

Hey, it certainly appears that way. And it also appears the Magic favored Elfrid Payton over V Oladipo.

But insiders around the league are all applauding Presti for turning one year of Serge Ibaka into multiple long term pieces. Oladipo being the primary. He's slotted in as the SG for that franchise moving forward and I think we'll some big things from him very soon.

I think OKC took advantage of ORL's desperation to be a playoff team sooner than later. And there is a very good chance ORL regrets it long-term...especially if Ibaka walks away for a big money contract in 12 months.

[Jamaaliver]

Really positive Draft review from SI:

Atlanta Hawks: A

I have nothing to say about the Hawks that we haven't been saying for the past three years. They grabbed Taurean Prince and DeAndre' Bembry in the first round, two of my favorite players in the draft, and two guys who should be fantastic fits for all the Hawks-y things that Atlanta likes to do on both ends of the floor. There will be bigger questions to answer through the rest of the Atlanta's offseason, but it's reassuring to know that whatever happens, the Hawks will be as annoyingly shrewd as ever.

[Geaux_Hawks]

I can't help but think that Skal would have been perfect at 21. Would have given us some kind of shot blocker off the bench, and his potential is sky high if we develop him right.

[Jamaaliver]

I can't help but think that Skal would have been perfect at 21. Would have given us some kind of shot blocker off the bench, and his potential is sky high if we develop him right.

Yeah...with so many picks this year, taking a gamble on a high upside project seems perfect at #21.

[Jamaaliver]

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[Geaux_Hawks]

Would have been fine with Sabonis. I think this draft will be the deciding factor on allowing Buds being the GM though. There were so many better prospects than the guys we took at each spot, and when we finally made a good pick, we traded it away to the World Champs.

[Jamaaliver]

Would have been fine with Sabonis. I think this draft will be the deciding factor on allowing Buds being the GM though. There were so many better prospects than the guys we took at each spot, and when we finally made a good pick, we traded it away to the World Champs.

The fan base as a whole definitely agrees with you.

I wanna see Free Agency.

But if his big plan his to bring back the gang with Prince/Embry and a low-cost backup PG as the only major additions...yeah. I'll be done.

[atlantabbq99]

I'm trying to put the Skal Labissiere situation in perspective. I'm trying to remember of past draft that mock drafts had a certain player go lottery or late lottery and slipped dramatically to late first early second, and how did they end up doing years later. Here are the few i can remember...

DeAndre Jordan
Rashard Lewis
Perry Jones
Jerami Grant
Kyle Anderson
DeJuan Blair
Rodney Hood

Who else am i forgetting?

Jordan, Lewis, and Hood all turned out to be great. The jury is still out on Kyle and Grant. Blair and Jones did deserve to fall to the 2nd round.

[MaceCase]

I think the Oladipo trade demonstrated that he was vastly overrated on this board given that he's gone from "top SG in the league!" to Dion Waiters' replacement.

Hey, it certainly appears that way. And it also appears the Magic favored Elfrid Payton over V Oladipo.

But insiders around the league are all applauding Presti for turning one year of Serge Ibaka into multiple long term pieces. Oladipo being the primary. He's slotted in as the SG for that franchise moving forward and I think we'll some big things from him very soon.

I think OKC took advantage of ORL's desperation to be a playoff team sooner than later. And there is a very good chance ORL regrets it long-term...especially if Ibaka walks away for a big money contract in 12 months.

Oh, but remember how Bud was dumb if he allegedly ruined a Teague for Oladipo swap by asking for more? How if he was offered a straight up swap he should have taken the deal and ran? But all hail Presti for doing what everyone else knew was sensible.

Orlando didn't just boot Oladipo in favor of Payton, they did it in favor of investing time in Hezonja and money in Fournier. They knew what they were getting with Dipo, they weren't going to double down on that by investing 80 million next year, OKC managed to punt a season of investing 60 million in Waiters.

[Jamaaliver]

Oh, but remember how Bud was dumb if he allegedly ruined a Teague for Oladipo swap by asking for more? How if he was offered a straight up swap he should have taken the deal and ran? But all hail Presti for doing what everyone else knew was sensible.

Orlando didn't just boot Oladipo in favor of Payton, they did it in favor of investing time in Hezonja and money in Fournier. They knew what they were getting with Dipo, they weren't going to double down on that by investing 80 million next year, OKC managed to punt a season of investing 60 million in Waiters.

I...think it means we simply over estimated Jeff Teague's value. Or worse...waited too long to trade him.

Oladipo, IMO, is a stud. And the Magic drastically overpaid for one year of a solid defensive stalwart.

Out of desperation.

[MaceCase]

BudCox can't have overestimated the value of Teague if a team was offering them only Oladipo to turn around a few months later and offer Oladipo, a lotto selection and Ilyasova for a worse player with the same contract status.

BudCox estimated the value correctly, the Magic were trying to jack them and they smartly passed.

[atlantabbq99]

I think this really shows how much Budz doesn't like Oladipo and sees Baz as the SG of the future for the franchise, which is the same thing i have been saying since the start of last year.