Derrick Rose to NY

[BKlutch]

Man that letter.

Too late to reverse the trade?

Let me be the first to invite you to continue rooting for DRose by becoming a Knicks fan along with him. I'm sure you won't be the only one. We would welcome any fans from Chicago who want to cheer alongside us as we finally start to work for that title.

But just in case you don't, thanks for some honest posts and gentlemanly behavior. Too rare these days.

[NYKNICKPLAYA]

With Rose saying he's going to basically help recruit guys- how much do you think this helps us? Possibly who do you think he will help recruit besides Noah...

[GimmeDat]

Derrick's got a lot of heart, and I think he'll have a big year. Since the injuries, Rose has said things like 'I know how great I'll be again/just watch' sort of thing, in part because there was such a massive amount of doubters/criticizers, but it's clear it's a long term process. It's nice to see he's back to the 'just watch' mode though.

I think the most promising thing you can look at is his progression through last season - he started off trash, mainly due to playing through the eye injury that impaired his vision (didn't stop people criticizing him though). A testament to his work ethic, he developed a bank shot that was one of his best weapons last season, purely in that time, to compensate for the inability to gauge distance. He probably shot the most bank jumpers in the league last season, and he maintained it even when his eye improved.

His 3 point shooting was trash for the majority of the season, but I think it was the last 20-30 games or so, he shot it really well, so fingers crossed that continues.

His driving got more and more aggressive as the year went on.. though obviously not back to the reckless abandon of his prime years. The more shiftiness you see from him, the better the signs are. Chances are you'll be lucky to see him dunk all season, he's made an effort to stop doing that, though he occasionally puts one in.

As a 'PG', he's no amazing playmaker, as I'm sure you realize. His best ability setting up others is using his penetration to create looks for others. The better his scoring game is, the better his assist game is. He throws really firm, hard passes which I love, but he's not going to be overly creative or wow you with his vision or craftiness setting up others. Just a solid fundamental guy. He was also really effective with Gasol on offense; they'd frequently run a two man game and hitting Pau on the pop would be a bread and butter play for us, hopefully he finds a similar connection with Kristaps.

He hasn't gotten to the FT line a whole heap, especially post-injuries, sometimes he gets shafted by the refs but for the most part he's always been an 'avoid contact' guy. This hurts his offensive efficiency somewhat, combined with him being an effective mid-range shooter rather than a long range one.

Defense was really poor last season, hopefully that improves. The front office called him out for his defense at the end season presser. A degree of it has to do with his confidence defending laterally with his knees, imo. Either way, he's been a high level defender when motivated in the past, and hopefully improves again this season. His defensive issues were compounded by terrible PnR defense from our big men, particularly Gasol. Teams would run those two to death in the PnR last season to capitalize.

If Rose stays healthy, he's going to be have a great season, definitely his best since the injuries, imo. A fresh start, new support, and a contract year should inspire him to have some great basketball, not to mention he's coming off his most complete season yet, having played 66 games. He won't have to share PG duties with Butler, and he should have much better spacing in NY as well, so he's in a good position to succeed.

Ride through him through the tough patches, which I'm sure he'll have, just look for progress in his confidence and game, because he still has a really high ceiling as a player. Don't assume he's going to be a 20ppg guy or anything, just take what comes. Just tell me you'll treat him better than a lot of fans treated him here - I honestly think all the backlash made him happy to leave at this point.

Any more questions about his game, feel free to ask. I've been pretty positive about his game above, but he's got a long way to go.

Oh, and Rose and Joakim are BFF's. Them trading Rose is the main reason Jo doesn't want to come back, imo. Between that and his NY roots, I honestly think his ideal destination is NY, but if teams like Washington are offering him the max, I don't think he can say no.

[Poohdini1]

Man that letter.

Too late to reverse the trade?

Let me be the first to invite you to continue rooting for DRose by becoming a Knicks fan along with him. I'm sure you won't be the only one. We would welcome any fans from Chicago who want to cheer alongside us as we finally start to work for that title.

But just in case you don't, thanks for some honest posts and gentlemanly behavior. Too rare these days.

Thank you, I really appreciate it. Didn't know what to expect, honestly I was just praying you guys weren't gonna crucify him. Everyone has been awesome and it's great how much you guys loved his words & attitude at the presser, that's vintage Derrick.

I will gladly stay around and root for the guy until he's got nothing left. I was with him before the fame, watched him blossom into an MVP, and stayed through all the tough times. People laughed at his preseason presser when he asked, "why can't I be the best player in the league? Why can't I be MVP?" He still has that belief burning inside him, last thing I'm gonna do is bail on him now.

He's not a Bull anymore, but Derrick Rose will ALWAYS be Chicago.

[trophywinner]

it'd be within nyk's best interests to reunite rose/noah, and i'm sure it is. defensively, he's always been great with noah in defending the pnr. the two have undeniable chem
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[GettinitDone]

Are you a Knicks fan? Because when I saw you MY D... ROSE!!! (1:47)

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Best part about D-Rose is he is getting his momentum back. Cmon man after catastrophic injuries you lost your momentum and it takes some time to get it back. The best thing is he is humble and smart enough to know who he has to be to get back to an All Star form. Sure he won't return to his 100% explosive MVP self, but I believe he can approach be 85% explosive and he can average 18-20ppg easily.

[BKlutch]

Man that letter.

Too late to reverse the trade?

Let me be the first to invite you to continue rooting for DRose by becoming a Knicks fan along with him. I'm sure you won't be the only one. We would welcome any fans from Chicago who want to cheer alongside us as we finally start to work for that title.

But just in case you don't, thanks for some honest posts and gentlemanly behavior. Too rare these days.

Thank you, I really appreciate it. Didn't know what to expect, honestly I was just praying you guys weren't gonna crucify him. Everyone has been awesome and it's great how much you guys loved his words & attitude at the presser, that's vintage Derrick.I will gladly stay around and root for the guy until he's got nothing left. I was with him before the fame, watched him blossom into an MVP, and stayed through all the tough times. Last thing I'm gonna do is bail on him now.

He's not a Bull anymore, but Derrick Rose will ALWAYS be Chicago.

This player's got a soul, much stronger than his physical being. That's going to be an asset always.

[DeanTheDream]

Saw the interview on tape - a pretty monotone guy - but his face lit up and he actually smiled when talking about playing with Melo who is a dog like him, in the good sense of course, that just wants to win.. All the top players in the league know what Melo is all about - he is very highly respected by the elite - who filter thru all the BS.

[Poohdini1]

Derrick's got a lot of heart, and I think he'll have a big year. Since the injuries, Rose has said things like 'I know how great I'll be again/just watch' sort of thing, in part because there was such a massive amount of doubters/criticizers, but it's clear it's a long term process. It's nice to see he's back to the 'just watch' mode though.

I think the most promising thing you can look at is his progression through last season - he started off trash, mainly due to playing through the eye injury that impaired his vision (didn't stop people criticizing him though). A testament to his work ethic, he developed a bank shot that was one of his best weapons last season, purely in that time, to compensate for the inability to gauge distance. He probably shot the most bank jumpers in the league last season, and he maintained it even when his eye improved.

His 3 point shooting was trash for the majority of the season, but I think it was the last 20-30 games or so, he shot it really well, so fingers crossed that continues.

His driving got more and more aggressive as the year went on.. though obviously not back to the reckless abandon of his prime years. The more shiftiness you see from him, the better the signs are. Chances are you'll be lucky to see him dunk all season, he's made an effort to stop doing that, though he occasionally puts one in.

As a 'PG', he's no amazing playmaker, as I'm sure you realize. His best ability setting up others is using his penetration to create looks for others. The better his scoring game is, the better his assist game is. He throws really firm, hard passes which I love, but he's not going to be overly creative or wow you with his vision or craftiness setting up others. Just a solid fundamental guy. He was also really effective with Gasol on offense; they'd frequently run a two man game and hitting Pau on the pop would be a bread and butter play for us, hopefully he finds a similar connection with Kristaps.

He hasn't gotten to the FT line a whole heap, especially post-injuries, sometimes he gets shafted by the refs but for the most part he's always been an 'avoid contact' guy. This hurts his offensive efficiency somewhat, combined with him being an effective mid-range shooter rather than a long range one.

Defense was really poor last season, hopefully that improves. The front office called him out for his defense at the end season presser. A degree of it has to do with his confidence defending laterally with his knees, imo. Either way, he's been a high level defender when motivated in the past, and hopefully improves again this season. His defensive issues were compounded by terrible PnR defense from our big men, particularly Gasol. Teams would run those two to death in the PnR last season to capitalize.

If Rose stays healthy, he's going to be have a great season, definitely his best since the injuries, imo. A fresh start, new support, and a contract year should inspire him to have some great basketball, not to mention he's coming off his most complete season yet, having played 66 games. He won't have to share PG duties with Butler, and he should have much better spacing in NY as well, so he's in a good position to succeed.

Ride through him through the tough patches, which I'm sure he'll have, just look for progress in his confidence and game, because he still has a really high ceiling as a player. Don't assume he's going to be a 20ppg guy or anything, just take what comes. Just tell me you'll treat him better than a lot of fans treated him here - I honestly think all the backlash made him happy to leave at this point.

Any more questions about his game, feel free to ask. I've been pretty positive about his game above, but he's got a long way to go.

Oh, and Rose and Joakim are BFF's. Them trading Rose is the main reason Jo doesn't want to come back, imo. Between that and his NY roots, I honestly think his ideal destination is NY, but if teams like Washington are offering him the max, I don't think he can say no.

This is a fantastic post. Too many people only see the negatives. This is the kid that told us he was gonna be MVP at 22, who are we to doubt him now?

[Keller61]

Let me start off by saying that I'm a massive DRose homer. But I really think he's a lot better than you'd think by just looking at his season stats. Not only did he have double vision at the start of the season, but the injury forced him to miss all of training camp, and so he needed to get back in shape. You can sort of tell by comparing highlights with/without the mask that his explosiveness and confidence improved as the season went on. I've posted these stats in a few threads:

From 12/25 to 3/24 (35 games):

19.4 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.4 apg on 53.4% TS in 31.4 mpg (22/4/5 per 36), with the following shooting splits:

0-3 feet: 57%
4-9 feet: 50%
10-15 feet: 43%
16 feet - 3P: 41%
3P: 36%
FT: 85%

I left out some bad games after that, but he was playing through a minor elbow injury and basically couldn't use one arm for a few games. He wasn't perfectly healthy during the above stretch either, needing to rest 1-2 games here or there, but the rest allowed him to stay effective. I think that if it weren't for the eye injury, he could have started out putting up numbers like that and gotten better from there. There are still plenty of things he can improve on - getting to the FT line more, playing more consistent defense, making more plays for teammates - but I believe that now that he's somewhat over the hurdle of getting his scoring touch back, the rest of his game will start coming back too, IF he stays relatively healthy for an extended period of time.

Anyway, I'm sad to see my favorite player leave the Bulls, but I'm at least glad he went to NY and not some team like the 76ers or the Kings. I hope you guys get Noah too - would love to see those two back together.

[Poohdini1]

Best part about D-Rose is he is getting his momentum back. Cmon man after catastrophic injuries you lost your momentum and it takes some time to get it back. The best thing is he is humble and smart enough to know who he has to be to get back to an All Star form. Sure he won't return to his 100% explosive MVP self, but I believe he can approach be 85% explosive and he can average 18-20ppg easily.

Exactly. Look at all the excuses that were made when Steph Curry missed 2 weeks. This guy basically missed 2 YEARS. To even get back to the level he was at last year is a testament to his talent, heart,and work ethic. He could've easily washed out like other injury prone guys who sign big deals, but he didn't. He always says "people remember you in this league for winning, and that's all I care about."

Recovering from those kinda injuries takes time & patience. Sucks that the Bulls pulled the plug just as he was coming around, but I wish him nothing but the absolute best success in New York.

[StephNYKurry]

Porzingis already got Dog in him...and y'all tryna put this boy around Noah and Rose?

God save the league

[BKlutch]

they both have injury concerns,,, buet when healthy thats not even questionable who's better by a wide margin

In their primes, Tyson and Noah are the same player. I'll even give you the edge. But, again, 2016 Noah >>> 2012-13 Tyson.

Shump and Holiday? Come on, now.

Yo...who is this Shump guy you talkin' bout?

I think I saw a piece of Shump in the garbage last year when Phil was taking out the trash.

[CJackson]

Man that letter.

Too late to reverse the trade?

Let me be the first to invite you to continue rooting for DRose by becoming a Knicks fan along with him. I'm sure you won't be the only one. We would welcome any fans from Chicago who want to cheer alongside us as we finally start to work for that title.

But just in case you don't, thanks for some honest posts and gentlemanly behavior. Too rare these days.

Thank you, I really appreciate it. Didn't know what to expect, honestly I was just praying you guys weren't gonna crucify him. Everyone has been awesome and it's great how much you guys loved his words & attitude at the presser, that's vintage Derrick.

I will gladly stay around and root for the guy until he's got nothing left. I was with him before the fame, watched him blossom into an MVP, and stayed through all the tough times. People laughed at his preseason presser when he asked, "why can't I be the best player in the league? Why can't I be MVP?" He still has that belief burning inside him, last thing I'm gonna do is bail on him now.

He's not a Bull anymore, but Derrick Rose will ALWAYS be Chicago.

We crucify first, ask questions later.

I didn't want him at all, but there is no value in holding on to previous opinions when the deed is done. I can see he may be on the uptick and will be a massive upgrade for us. The Knicks don't do point guards has been this franchise's motto for so long that we forgot what it is like to have talent in the backcourt. I see he may have his best year in a long time so let's do this.

Even Knicks fans who were WTF just happened will be almost 100% rooting for him to succeed. He's a Knick now so now he gotta go good by us.

[CJackson]

Can anybody tell me why I had seen reports of friction between Noah and Rose before and now everyone says they are BFF?

When I saw that awful press conference with DRose talking about his future earnings and Noah rolling his eyeballs and then right afterwards Rose's face was smashed in practice, the rumors I read was it was Noah retaliating and sending a message from the team.

So that was BS then?

[Poohdini1]

Let me be the first to invite you to continue rooting for DRose by becoming a Knicks fan along with him. I'm sure you won't be the only one. We would welcome any fans from Chicago who want to cheer alongside us as we finally start to work for that title.

But just in case you don't, thanks for some honest posts and gentlemanly behavior. Too rare these days.

Thank you, I really appreciate it. Didn't know what to expect, honestly I was just praying you guys weren't gonna crucify him. Everyone has been awesome and it's great how much you guys loved his words & attitude at the presser, that's vintage Derrick.

I will gladly stay around and root for the guy until he's got nothing left. I was with him before the fame, watched him blossom into an MVP, and stayed through all the tough times. People laughed at his preseason presser when he asked, "why can't I be the best player in the league? Why can't I be MVP?" He still has that belief burning inside him, last thing I'm gonna do is bail on him now.

He's not a Bull anymore, but Derrick Rose will ALWAYS be Chicago.

We crucify first, ask questions later.

I didn't want him at all, but there is no value in holding on to previous opinions when the deed is done. I can see he may be on the uptick and will be a massive upgrade for us. The Knicks don't do point guards has been this franchise's motto for so long that we forgot what it is like to have talent in the backcourt. I see he may have his best year in a long time so let's do this.

Even Knicks fans who were WTF just happened will be almost 100% rooting for him to succeed. He's a Knick now so now he gotta go good by us.

It's a no lose situation imo. He sucks or gets hurt, he's gone in the off-season without sacrificing your long term future. If he succeeds, then you have solved your PG problem and have a guy who clearly bolsters NY as a destination.

[CJackson]

Thank you, I really appreciate it. Didn't know what to expect, honestly I was just praying you guys weren't gonna crucify him. Everyone has been awesome and it's great how much you guys loved his words & attitude at the presser, that's vintage Derrick.

I will gladly stay around and root for the guy until he's got nothing left. I was with him before the fame, watched him blossom into an MVP, and stayed through all the tough times. People laughed at his preseason presser when he asked, "why can't I be the best player in the league? Why can't I be MVP?" He still has that belief burning inside him, last thing I'm gonna do is bail on him now.

He's not a Bull anymore, but Derrick Rose will ALWAYS be Chicago.

We crucify first, ask questions later.

I didn't want him at all, but there is no value in holding on to previous opinions when the deed is done. I can see he may be on the uptick and will be a massive upgrade for us. The Knicks don't do point guards has been this franchise's motto for so long that we forgot what it is like to have talent in the backcourt. I see he may have his best year in a long time so let's do this.

Even Knicks fans who were WTF just happened will be almost 100% rooting for him to succeed. He's a Knick now so now he gotta go good by us.

It's a no lose situation imo. He sucks or gets hurt, he's gone in the off-season without sacrificing your long term future. If he succeeds, then you have solved your PG problem and have a guy who clearly bolsters NY as a destination.

That is basically why many cooled down quickly and figured the worst case scenario is we enter the 2017 market with probably the best cap space situation in the league.

[BKlutch]

I was prepared to see the interview. I had heard that DRose was a bad speaker, and he was nasty. i heard he was so full of himself. What I saw was the exact opposite. Maybe the suffering during his injuries - his fall from grace from the greatest heights of being an MVP at a young age -- made him confront his inner nature. He came across as being without guile, honest, and thoughtful. His words were NOT those of a man who is depressed. He spoke like a man who knows himself well. He's also very bright, because he really knows what's going on. He also was not speaking off the top of his head, saying a lot of BS, trying to impress us. He was genuine and likable.

With a guard like this, we can win a lot more games. Calderon looked like he was confused out there on the court in that video O&B Global posted of the Chi - NYK game. Melo and KP won that game despite Calderon. If we had had Rose then, it would a very lopsided victory.

Given all we've heard from and about Derrick in the past week, we owe it to ourselves and to him to get behind him and hope for the very best. Can you even dream what could happen with 3 great players on the floor at the same time? OMFG.

[Poohdini1]

Can anybody tell me why I had seen reports of friction between Noah and Rose before and now everyone says they are BFF?

When I saw that awful press conference with DRose talking about his future earnings and Noah rolling his eyeballs and then right afterwards Rose's face was smashed in practice, the rumors I read was it was Noah retaliating and sending a message from the team.

So that was BS then?

Nah these guys are great friends. Apparently Rose got hurt flying around to get a loose ball/rebound and Taj caught him with an elbow as it was happening. Taj said after practice Rose was unarguable and couldn't stop apologizing for what happened.

Honestly those 3 were the closest on the entire team. Too bad Taj can't find a way to potentially join them in NY.

[GimmeDat]

Can anybody tell me why I had seen reports of friction between Noah and Rose before and now everyone says they are BFF?

When I saw that awful press conference with DRose talking about his future earnings and Noah rolling his eyeballs and then right afterwards Rose's face was smashed in practice, the rumors I read was it was Noah retaliating and sending a message from the team.

So that was BS then?

Not sure where you got that from. Noah and Rose are the tightest of tight, Jo's always publicly defended him until the cows come home. He rolled his eyes when Rose made the contract comment because he knew the media was going to eat him alive, they love him, but Rose says what he thinks and isn't always very articulate when doing so.

Taj Gibson was the one that injured Derrick with an unfortunate elbow, and he's also one of the old guard of Bulls that are on Rose's side. No intention there.