Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th

[RL82]

he'll be out of the league in a coulpe of years after his initial contract, masai's token african draft pick, Deyonta Davis was on board and he passed on him

Majority of players drafted 27 are out of the league after their initial contract. There was no mystery injury being reported so Deyonta Davis seemed to have bombed the whole predraft workouts/interview. I'm guessing he went into his workouts in poor shape and thought he could just go through the motions and get paid. He probably came off as someone that is not willing to put in the work to improve. Combine that with his subpar season at MSU and you have teams passing up on him

From what I've read and seen I love the fact that Siakam competes hard. I picture him being that annoying guy at the YMCA who picks you up full court while you just want to get some cardio in and shoot a few jumpers.

He will have to refine his jumper but I expect him to be a fan favorite just with his energy and hustle. Seems like a good fit with Casey and the team culture. He won't be the most skilled player but I don't see many players outworking him. Although he's 22 he started playing bball late so he still has some upside.

[lolwut]

No...I'll criticize whenever I want. Are you trying to say people should never question and speculate on decisions? There is no way that I need to hear people telling me when I can criticize things. I am criticizing your post right now and it's making me happy. Plus, you are giving scouts and GM's to much credit...over the years the consensus on this forum has been as accurate if not more accurate than most GM's in the league.

You cannot be serious.

Totally serious...what's the problem?

For starters, what kind of resources do armchair GMs here have that real NBA GMs don't have access to?

On the flip side, has anybody on this forum attended a draft workout? Interviewed a prospect?

The assertion that there is any kind of consensus on this forum is, in of itself, asinine. Perhaps you don't know what "consensus" means.

[BismackonLebron]

Deyonte Davis will be the Norman Powell of this draft mark my words

[GooniesNeverDie]

he'll be out of the league in a coulpe of years after his initial contract, masai's token african draft pick, Deyonta Davis was on board and he passed on him

curious what you're basing this on.. can you explain exactly why you're so sure about this?

[S.W.A.N]

he'll be out of the league in a coulpe of years after his initial contract, masai's token african draft pick, Deyonta Davis was on board and he passed on him

when Spurs, golden state warriors and a whole host of teams pass on a player, there is usually a red flag....we are just watching youtube, these GMs are actually doing work

Exactly. So much stuff about these kids never gets put in front of the media. Arm chair gm'ing by watching you tube videos only tells part of the story.

I liked both Skal and Davis. Would've accepted either at 9, but have no issues with passing on them at 27 as well.

It is not enough to have the physical talents, you have to have the mental and or emotional side as well.

Looking at Paskal, you know he has a motor. He proved it for two years, and his basketball ability improved over those years. Skal and Davis both have huge red flags. Flags that cost them huge.

People saying things like token african or why did we draft the big slow white guy are simply idiots.

[S.W.A.N]

Deyonte Davis will be the Norman Powell of this draft mark my words

Or he'll be out of the league in 3. He looks like a kid who needs to grow up.

[BismackonLebron]

Deyonte Davis will be the Norman Powell of this draft mark my words

Or he'll be out of the league in 3. He looks like a kid who needs to grow up.[/quote] Based on what? not being drafted until the 2ND round.lol. He was a green room invite of course he's going to be disappointed.

[S.W.A.N]

Deyonte Davis will be the Norman Powell of this draft mark my words

Or he'll be out of the league in 3. He looks like a kid who needs to grow up.

Based on what? not being drafted until the 2ND round.lol. He was a green room invite of course he's going to be disappointed.[/quote]

Based on pre draft interviews, and green room.

NBA is a profession. Some of his media responses were poor, either he didn't have the right people in his camp or he just doesn't get it. I'm surprised he fell that far. He certainly looked like a first round pick, and it very well may be that he truly loves the game and wants to be great but just doesn't express himself well. Regardless, there was a reason he fell, whether he fails or succeeds now depends on what he does next.

[hype_2004]

Deyonte Davis will be the Norman Powell of this draft mark my words

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Or he'll be out of the league in 3. He looks like a kid who needs to grow up.

Based on what? not being drafted until the 2ND round.lol. He was a green room invite of course he's going to be disappointed.

Based on pre draft interviews, and green room.

NBA is a profession. Some of his media responses were poor, either he didn't have the right people in his camp or he just doesn't get it. I'm surprised he fell that far. He certainly looked like a first round pick, and it very well may be that he truly loves the game and wants to be great but just doesn't express himself well. Regardless, there was a reason he fell, whether he fails or succeeds now depends on what he does next.[/quote]

Hassan Whiteside comes to mind, this kid has great physical tools saw his highlights and from an eye test was thoroughly impressed, great bounce, quick off the ground, runs the floor extemely well,has good shooting mechanics. He's an NBA talent, he will have long career in this league mark my words.

[tecumseh18]

Deyonte Davis will be the Norman Powell of this draft mark my words

Or he'll be out of the league in 3. He looks like a kid who needs to grow up.

Yeah, Norm - an intelligent, determined four-year guy - would be the worst possible comparison.

Like Whiteside, Davis may need to spend some time in the wilderness before launching a serious NBA career.

[TheGoodDoctor]

Now Whiteside seems like a great comparison not Drummond for Davis who I agree should have been the pick n especially because it's was at the end of the first.

That kid has the potential to be a very high level role player but definitely will need a few years to figure it out like HW did n he also doesn't seem like the brightest bulb out of the bunch like Hassan but the physical attributes to be good are there. I really like what I see of Siakam but Davis' potential exceeds his imo we just needed to give him a couple of years or so n he'll be a pretty good young big man, unfortunately we thought in win now mode.

I won't harp on it too much because I think Siakam is going to make his mark on this team too but we def missed an opportunity here for a little more upside in the future.

[OakleyDokely]

The more I see and read about this guy, the more excited I am about him. Could be another Norman Powell under the radar pick.

[Patman]

Deyonte Davis will be the Norman Powell of this draft mark my words

So Norm was an over-hyped prospect that was projected to get picked in the lottery?

[Tortiglioni]

According to analytics (consensus of various models: http://www.tothemean.com/tools/draft-models/#/2016/dv2/all), he ranked as the 16th best prospect. If you factor in Masai's prioritization of character, work ethic, motor, defense, etc. (not always measurable in the stats), he obviously would be much higher on Masai's board. I'm not a proponent of drafting based on stats, but it is interesting nonetheless.

[The_Hater]

I have no problem with people criticizing this pick based on the mocks buthe was an extremely productive college player and seems like a hard working late bloomer. I think he ends up being a better player than both Davis and Skal.

[Veggamattic]

You cannot be serious.

Totally serious...what's the problem?

For starters, what kind of resources do armchair GMs here have that real NBA GMs don't have access to?

On the flip side, has anybody on this forum attended a draft workout? Interviewed a prospect?

The assertion that there is any kind of consensus on this forum is, in of itself, asinine. Perhaps you don't know what "consensus" means.

Don't know what consensus means? I have an idea...**** off!

[HangTime]

Maybe he's was looking for a Gorgui Dieng lite type of player.

[Duffman100]

According to analytics (consensus of various models: http://www.tothemean.com/tools/draft-models/#/2016/dv2/all), he ranked as the 16th best prospect. If you factor in Masai's prioritization of character, work ethic, motor, defense, etc. (not always measurable in the stats), he obviously would be much higher on Masai's board. I'm not a proponent of drafting based on stats, but it is interesting nonetheless.

Love how high Poeltl is on most of those boards too.

[Steelo Green]

According to analytics (consensus of various models: http://www.tothemean.com/tools/draft-models/#/2016/dv2/all), he ranked as the 16th best prospect. If you factor in Masai's prioritization of character, work ethic, motor, defense, etc. (not always measurable in the stats), he obviously would be much higher on Masai's board. I'm not a proponent of drafting based on stats, but it is interesting nonetheless.

Love how high Poeltl is on most of those boards too.

So what you're saying Duff, is that Masai just didn't draft a Euro for the sake of it, and an African for the sake of it?!

It's funny people even make that assertion in the first place. Masai's draft picks before this year were Bruno, Daniels, Powell, Wright, ie 1 South American, and 3 American born collegiates, he selects a draft with two non-americans and the notion that he is picking Euro's and Africans is all over the news.

[Duffman100]

According to analytics (consensus of various models: http://www.tothemean.com/tools/draft-models/#/2016/dv2/all), he ranked as the 16th best prospect. If you factor in Masai's prioritization of character, work ethic, motor, defense, etc. (not always measurable in the stats), he obviously would be much higher on Masai's board. I'm not a proponent of drafting based on stats, but it is interesting nonetheless.

Love how high Poeltl is on most of those boards too.

So what you're saying Duff, is that Masai just didn't draft a Euro for the sake of it, and an African for the sake of it?!

It's funny people even make that assertion in the first place. Masai's draft picks before this year were Bruno, Daniels, Powell, Wright, ie 1 South American, and 3 American born collegiates, he selects a draft with two non-americans and the notion that he is picking Euro's and Africans is all over the news.

Like I just said in the Poeltl thread, this wasn't a top 8 draft, it was a top 9.

Thon Maker symbolized the cliff...everyone after us would have taken Poeltl in a heartbeat.