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I was also on the draft Dunn and trade up for Chriss train. But that was only if Bender was taken by Boston as Bender was my first choice, Dunn 2nd. If we had taken Dunn and still made the Chriss trade we'd have more holes to fill than the route we just went. I really like Dunn's intangibles but the route we went should be fine too.
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Spoiler:
I think he wanted Dunn more so for that killer trade deal like Minnesota got for him.
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Ulis's best case is a featherweight Mike Conley Jr, he won't crack an NBA rotation without first completing a bulking regimen so that he won't get blown over when sneezed at. Even then he has a red flagged hip and his frame may not hold up. Dunn may have been the inferior college player, but he wins hands don they aren't even comparable at the next level
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saintEscaton wrote:Ulis's best case is a featherweight Mike Conley Jr, he won't crack an NBA rotation without first completing a bulking regimen so that he won't get blown over when sneezed at. Even then he has a red flagged hip and his frame may not hold up. Dunn may have been the inferior college player, but he wins hands don they aren't even comparable at the next level
Disagree. Ulis's best case scenario is he grows 3 inches over the next two years, becomes the next Chris Paul and we have a dynamite backcourt with Ulis/Booker.


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Sorry to disappoint you NavLo,and thanks for the predictable volley displaying your own animosity. Obviously, I don't buy into your blind optimistic faith in double talking McMulligan. You can blow sunshine up a number of rumps here, just not mine. Until we field a good competitive team, McD remains McMully. And thanks for the recap, but its time you quit living in the past. Now is the most important moment. And NOW we have an unfinished, poorly constructed roster that needs some serious tweaking/additions if we are to compete.... its on McMully to take the next step and when he does, I'll be the first to applaud him. Well, likely not the first as a legion of backslappers will erupt from his butt. But what if he signs a couple old guys ???? Wait... isn't he interested in Mirza ? Are the 'Youthers' ok with that ?
And BTW... I think I'll stay on a bit longer.
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Frank Lee wrote:8-) I guess this place should be one GD lovefest eh? I feel it .
Sorry to disappoint you NavLo,and thanks for the predictable volley displaying your own animosity. Obviously, I don't buy into your blind optimistic faith in double talking McMulligan. You can blow sunshine up a number of rumps here, just not mine. Until we field a good competitive team, McD remains McMully. And thanks for the recap, but its time you quit living in the past. Now is the most important moment. And NOW we have an unfinished, poorly constructed roster that needs some serious tweaking/additions if we are to compete.... its on McMully to take the next step and when he does, I'll be the first to applaud him. Well, likely not the first as a legion of backslappers will erupt from his butt. But what if he signs a couple old guys ???? Wait... isn't he interested in Mirza ? Are the 'Youthers' ok with that ?
And BTW... I think I'll stay on a bit longer.
So, what would have made you happy? Let's say you took over as GM one week prior to the draft. What would you have done and what would you be trying to do in free agency?
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dantley4prez wrote:I have to tell you guys a story.
Has anyone seen "Once Brothers," the ESPN 30 for 30 documentary?
Vlade Divac is the narrator. He recalls that in 1990, the Yugoslavian national team was really, really good. They had Drazen Petrovic and Toni Kukoc, and at the FIBA cup they beat the United States and won gold.
A couple years later, right before Divac and Petrovic get drafted by LA and Portland respectively, Croatia declares its independence. Divac is Serbian and Petrovic is Croatian, so there’s tension. At one of the medal ceremonies, Divac makes a unity gesture of some kind. Petrovic is really, really pissed off at Divac for this. Divac wants the nation states to stay together as Yugoslavia, but this is really offensive to Petrovic.
They both go to the NBA within a year or two of each other, or maybe the same year. Divac is starting in LA while Petrovic is sitting behind Clyde Drexler and Terry Porter in Portland. Divac tries to bond with Petrovic whenever they are playing each other, but Petrovic wants nothing to do with Divac.
As we all know, Petrovic dies a couple years later in a car accident. He was a really special player, and he could’ve been one of the all-time greats.
So what does this have to do with the Suns?
Well, Dragan Bender is Croatian. Drazen Petrovic is Croatian. Toni Kukoc is Croatian, but Vlade Divac and Bogdan Bogdanovic are Serbian. I know, right?
Dragan Bender says his hero is Toni Kukoc, who is Croatian. Last night Vlade Divac really wanted Bogdan Bogdanovic. There has been no mention of Divac being interested in Bender. Now I’m starting to wonder whether it had anything to do with Bender’s heritage. I am pretty sure this is one reason why Divac wanted Bogdanovic, though. Maybe Bogdan reminds Vlade of Drazen stylistically? I also wonder why Bender doesn’t compare himself to Divac, who is closer in size, and even style of play, than Kukoc. (edit: thought Kukoc was smaller. oops.)
Wow……that is deep, for real.
IN ADDITION….Mirza Teletovic is Bosnian. According to someone on Yahoo! Answers, Bosnians and Croatians are cool with each other. I have no idea if that’s accurate, but what if it plays into Mirza’s free agency? Probably not, I would think….maybe. Maybe it gets him signed. Maybe Mirza and Bender will be good friends.
Crazy.
Wow! Your conjecture is sensible. Nationalism is a bwitch, always has been always will be. We might have benefited from it in a funky way.
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Qwigglez wrote:saintEscaton wrote:Ulis's best case is a featherweight Mike Conley Jr, he won't crack an NBA rotation without first completing a bulking regimen so that he won't get blown over when sneezed at. Even then he has a red flagged hip and his frame may not hold up. Dunn may have been the inferior college player, but he wins hands don they aren't even comparable at the next level
Disagree. Ulis's best case scenario is he grows 3 inches over the next two years, becomes the next Chris Paul and we have a dynamite backcourt with Ulis/Booker.![]()
I had Paul's scouting report openned comparing it to Ulis's... Before suns made the pick, as he was my guess for pick 34...
I pondered also.... If Ulis is still growing... But not sure.
Chris Paul's body type allowed him to be a very good defender... Narrow shoulders but thick torso and semi long arms... He can body up bigger players whilst poking the ball away or disrupting lanes.
Ulis is tiny... Same body as Isaiah Thomas and Tyus Edney...
Basically.. PGs can bully him and do what they want to do...
He needs to bulk up... Like Nate Robinson... Who was decent defensively because he was strong... For his height he was able to hold his own against taller PGs.
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1UPZ wrote:Qwigglez wrote:saintEscaton wrote:Ulis's best case is a featherweight Mike Conley Jr, he won't crack an NBA rotation without first completing a bulking regimen so that he won't get blown over when sneezed at. Even then he has a red flagged hip and his frame may not hold up. Dunn may have been the inferior college player, but he wins hands don they aren't even comparable at the next level
Disagree. Ulis's best case scenario is he grows 3 inches over the next two years, becomes the next Chris Paul and we have a dynamite backcourt with Ulis/Booker.![]()
I had Paul's scouting report openned comparing it to Ulis's... Before suns made the pick, as he was my guess for pick 34...
I pondered also.... If Ulis is still growing... But not sure.
Chris Paul's body type allowed him to be a very good defender... Narrow shoulders but thick torso and semi long arms... He can body up bigger players whilst poking the ball away or disrupting lanes.
Ulis is tiny... Same body as Isaiah Thomas and Tyus Edney...
Basically.. PGs can bully him and do what they want to do...
He needs to bulk up... Like Nate Robinson... Who was decent defensively because he was strong... For his height he was able to hold his own against taller PGs.
Mighty Mouse had a sturdier build and Robinson was always yoked, Felder is similar. Ulis is much slighter but has a long wingspan, prolific generating on ball pressure and disrupting passing lanes, denying his man on the baseline. His awareness is off the charts, always was at the right place at the right time setting his feet to draw charges
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A point guard’s primary duties are to serve as the coach on the court, orchestrate the offense, and ultimately, produce points. To that end, Ulis headlines the Cousy finalists in offensive rating per 100 (an estimate of points produced per 100 possessions) with a 131.5 rating — a staggering 25.5 points more than Dunn, a projected top-five pick.
IN ANALYZING ULIS’ EFFORTS ALONGSIDE THE OTHER NINE BOB COUSY AWARD FINALISTS — PRESENTED TO THE NATION’S TOP POINT GUARD — ULIS’ NAME APPEARS AMONG THE UPPER ECHELON OF NEARLY EVERY MEANINGFUL ADVANCED STAT.
Only five NBA teams currently average 100-plus possessions per game, with the Phoenix Suns just over that mark with a 100.1 pace rating — number of possessions for 48 minutes; your average NBA game. Essentially, the discrepancy in offensive rating between Ulis and Dunn would mean if they were to each orchestrate the Suns’ offense all game, Phoenix would score 25.5 more points with Ulis at the helm.
Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-basketball-men/article60613726.html#storylink=cpy
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saintEscaton wrote:A point guard’s primary duties are to serve as the coach on the court, orchestrate the offense, and ultimately, produce points. To that end, Ulis headlines the Cousy finalists in offensive rating per 100 (an estimate of points produced per 100 possessions) with a 131.5 rating — a staggering 25.5 points more than Dunn, a projected top-five pick.
IN ANALYZING ULIS’ EFFORTS ALONGSIDE THE OTHER NINE BOB COUSY AWARD FINALISTS — PRESENTED TO THE NATION’S TOP POINT GUARD — ULIS’ NAME APPEARS AMONG THE UPPER ECHELON OF NEARLY EVERY MEANINGFUL ADVANCED STAT.
Only five NBA teams currently average 100-plus possessions per game, with the Phoenix Suns just over that mark with a 100.1 pace rating — number of possessions for 48 minutes; your average NBA game. Essentially, the discrepancy in offensive rating between Ulis and Dunn would mean if they were to each orchestrate the Suns’ offense all game, Phoenix would score 25.5 more points with Ulis at the helm.
Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-basketball-men/article60613726.html#storylink=cpy
I remember reading that before and probably posted in in draft forum or something.
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saintEscaton wrote:1UPZ wrote:Qwigglez wrote:
Disagree. Ulis's best case scenario is he grows 3 inches over the next two years, becomes the next Chris Paul and we have a dynamite backcourt with Ulis/Booker.![]()
I had Paul's scouting report openned comparing it to Ulis's... Before suns made the pick, as he was my guess for pick 34...
I pondered also.... If Ulis is still growing... But not sure.
Chris Paul's body type allowed him to be a very good defender... Narrow shoulders but thick torso and semi long arms... He can body up bigger players whilst poking the ball away or disrupting lanes.
Ulis is tiny... Same body as Isaiah Thomas and Tyus Edney...
Basically.. PGs can bully him and do what they want to do...
He needs to bulk up... Like Nate Robinson... Who was decent defensively because he was strong... For his height he was able to hold his own against taller PGs.
Mighty Mouse had a sturdier build and Robinson was always yoked, Felder is similar. Ulis is much slighter but has a long wingspan, prolific generating on ball pressure and disrupting passing lanes, denying his man on the baseline. His awareness is off the charts, always was at the right place at the right time setting his feet to draw charges
Sounds like a basketball version of Tyrann Matthieu
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Too early to look at 2017? I think if we get a high pick and take position into account we'd probably be focusing on a PG or SF:
PGs seem to be a group with high level athleticism and ball handling ability - Fultz, Ntilikina, Fox, Smith, Ball, Monk.
SFs similar with athleticism and length - Tatum, Jackson, Isaac, Bridges.
* DeAaron Fox will be a Kentucky G.
PGs seem to be a group with high level athleticism and ball handling ability - Fultz, Ntilikina, Fox, Smith, Ball, Monk.
SFs similar with athleticism and length - Tatum, Jackson, Isaac, Bridges.
* DeAaron Fox will be a Kentucky G.
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Mulhollanddrive wrote:Too early to look at 2017? I think if we get a high pick and take position into account we'd probably be focusing on a PG or SF:
PGs seem to be a group with high level athleticism and ball handling ability - Fultz, Ntilikina, Fox, Smith, Ball, Monk.
SFs similar with athleticism and length - Tatum, Jackson, Isaac, Bridges.
* DeAaron Fox will be a Kentucky G.
Skal Labissiere would approve of using the ESPN Recruiting rank for draft purposes.
SHAZAM!
Suns traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder and 4 1st round picks and a swap so some Vegas Bookies would like us.
Suns traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder and 4 1st round picks and a swap so some Vegas Bookies would like us.
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MrMiyagi wrote:Mulhollanddrive wrote:Too early to look at 2017? I think if we get a high pick and take position into account we'd probably be focusing on a PG or SF:
PGs seem to be a group with high level athleticism and ball handling ability - Fultz, Ntilikina, Fox, Smith, Ball, Monk.
SFs similar with athleticism and length - Tatum, Jackson, Isaac, Bridges.
* DeAaron Fox will be a Kentucky G.
Skal Labissiere would approve of using the ESPN Recruiting rank for draft purposes.
It's pretty much all we've got right now, it's not like there's a bunch of game tape and meaningful stats floating around for them yet outside of highlight reels
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darealjuice wrote:MrMiyagi wrote:Mulhollanddrive wrote:Too early to look at 2017? I think if we get a high pick and take position into account we'd probably be focusing on a PG or SF:
PGs seem to be a group with high level athleticism and ball handling ability - Fultz, Ntilikina, Fox, Smith, Ball, Monk.
SFs similar with athleticism and length - Tatum, Jackson, Isaac, Bridges.
* DeAaron Fox will be a Kentucky G.
Skal Labissiere would approve of using the ESPN Recruiting rank for draft purposes.
It's pretty much all we've got right now, it's not like there's a bunch of game tape and meaningful stats floating around for them yet outside of highlight reels
He asked if it was too early. My response was a proxy yes - it's too early.
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I have been saying the last two months that Tyler Ulis is one of the better talents in this daft. I am very happy with him on board, the guy is the typical underdog who LOVES basketball and is pure talent/hard work.
He is a team player, great passer, amazing court awareness, defensively he is a pest and gives his heart on every game. His ball handling is off the charts, be ready to watch him breaking some ankles. He is not egocentric like Isaiah, in some sense he reminds me Steve Nash/Tyrone Bogues.
He is a player that you wants to root for him and we need it that.
He is a team player, great passer, amazing court awareness, defensively he is a pest and gives his heart on every game. His ball handling is off the charts, be ready to watch him breaking some ankles. He is not egocentric like Isaiah, in some sense he reminds me Steve Nash/Tyrone Bogues.
He is a player that you wants to root for him and we need it that.