Sam Pressti and Pat Riley think Brown is the next Vince Carter

[galipeautim]

Was listening to this radio station on my way to the gym. Apparently, top GMs in the league including Pat fahkin Riley and Presti applauded Danny Ainge for picking Jaylen Brown. Presti claimed Brown will shine under coash Stevens and Celtics will be one of the fastest teams in the league.

Both Presti and Riley think Jaylen could become the next Vince Carter & Dwayne Wade type of player.

Presti also said Bender could become franchise player - the best player to come out of this draft once he gets NBA expetience and adds more muscle to his frame.

I am now in peace with Danny and the org. not making any trades. Unless you can get Durant and Butler - we are NOT competing for the championship. 99.9% we don't get KD or Butler so what is the point of wasting money on someone who will not change the face of the franchise ? Kevin Durant is the only player that could do this.

There are 3-4 FRANCHISE players coming out in the next year draft. Nets most likely will be the worst team in the league.

Next year Celtics should try to get Russel Westbrook.

I like Jimmy Butler, but he is not worth 3rd pick, Bradley + Jae or Smart. FAHK THAT! That 3rd pick could be the next Kobe Bryant! YOU NEVER EVER KNOW.

I predict that Simmons will be a bust (GREG ODEN) and Ingram will be successful like Durant.

Please discuss

Simmons is the least likely player since Lebron to bust. Hype machine has been on him for about 3 years and nobody has ever seriously questioned him as a #1 pick that entire time. He's a plus rebounder, a beast of an athelte, and has great floor vision. Guy is an all star without a jump shot and a hall of famer if he develops it. Ingram has some bust potential because he might get manhandled, but Simmons has almost zero bust potential. Only busts that looked as good as him were drug related.

[galipeautim]

Everybody is fishing if they think Brown is on the level of Ingram or Simmons. Give any of the 30 GMs in the league the #1 or #2 pick and Simmons and Ingram go #1 and #2 in that order every time.

[sam-hinkie]

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[emkeyfour]

Everybody is fishing if they think Brown is on the level of Ingram or Simmons. Give any of the 30 GMs in the league the #1 or #2 pick and Simmons and Ingram go #1 and #2 in that order every time.

Yeah same can be said anout Greg Oden

[truth18]

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[sam-hinkie]

My mistake I was lurking and posted that by mistake lol


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[galipeautim]

Everybody is fishing if they think Brown is on the level of Ingram or Simmons. Give any of the 30 GMs in the league the #1 or #2 pick and Simmons and Ingram go #1 and #2 in that order every time.

Yeah same can be said anout Greg Oden

Oden was always an injury concern, just like Embiid. Simmons is not in the oversized center mold like Olowakandi and those guys. He moves like he is 6"3.

[Jammer]

Too many posters are drinking the Kool Aid.

Jaylen Brown shoots free throws at less than 66%. He shoots 3's at 29%.

He's young, but he's not a closer.

Quick refresh on some Celtic title team characteristics. and why Brown, despite being a #3 pick, doesn't have the pedigree of his predecessors in terms of being a "closer."

2008 Team - Best shooting team in league. 2 players (Ray Allen, Eddie House were 40% 3 pt. shooters, and two (Pierce, Posey) were 38%. That's off the charts reliable. And all those guys, including Garnett, were at least 80% free throw shooters. Ray Allen and Eddie House were pushing 90% from the free throw line. 1 League MVP, 1 Finals MVP, 3 players 1rst or 2nd Team All-NBA at some point in their career (meaning one of the 10 best players in the NBA).

1981 Team - 3 Time League MVP, 1 Finals MVP and a future 2 Time Finals MVP, 3 players who at some point in their career were First Team All NBA (meaning one of the 5 Best Players in the NBA - Nate Archibald (best season 34 ppg, 11.4 apg); Bird, McHale) and one who a Second Team All-NBA (meaning one of the 10 Best players in the NBA, Robert Parish).

1974 Team - 1 League MVP, 2 Finals MVPs (different players (JoJo, Hondo) from League MVP (Cowens)), 2 Players at some point First Team All-NBA (Havlicek, Paul Westphal) and 2 players at some point Second Team All-NBA (Dave Cowens, JoJo White)

1969 Team - 5 Time League MVP, 4 players 1rst or 2nd Team All-NBA at some point in their career (Bill Russell, Sam Jones, John Havlicek, Bailey Howell), best free throw shooter in League (Siegfried).

The point of all those teams above is they all had 3 players, and sometimes 4, who at some point were considered among the 10 best players in the league. When you have a chance for a 3 pick, you ideally want an All-Star, or better, and someone who can be trusted to close out a game. Vince Carter never had the shot to reliably close out games for any of his teams, or take them deep into the playoffs. Vince just never shot that well against the best defenses in game 6 or game 7 playoff situations.

My fear is despite all the kool-aid we are hearing about Jaylen Brown, ultimately, you need a money jump shot and "touch" to make buckets when a game is on the line, ideally WITH EITHER HAND when a defender is in your face. I always felt you either had it, or didn't, but since I was blessed, maybe I'm missing something from those who say it "can be learned."

[Andrew McCeltic]

Eddie House! Had completely forgotten about him.

You can't compare one 19 year old player to the rosters of championship teams. The point about shooting is potentially interesting, though.

[GuyClinch]

Brown can shoot it.. Wait till he gets in the NBA before writing off his J. You have to understand college plays a pittance of games compared to the NBA. So if a guy gets off to what would be a cold start over here - his season is over..

If you want to write off Smart's J or Rondo's J - I feel ya. But Brown hasn't played yet.. It's a different life being a professional, having coaches - being on the road - play 80 games..

[SeizeCoup]

My fear is despite all the kool-aid we are hearing about Jaylen Brown, ultimately, you need a money jumper shot and "touch" to make buckets when a game is on the line, ideally WITH EITHER HAND when a defender is in your face. I always felt you either had it, or didn't, but since I was blessed, maybe I'm missing something from those who say it "can be learned."

I appreciate the time you put into your post, but you lost me on this last point. Jaylen is very good at finishing "with either hand". One of his go-to moves is a crossover to his left hand where he protects the ball and then skies for a jam. There's not so many videos on youtube that it's hard to get a good feeling of the fact that he has good touch. I'd recommend watching every video you can find of him.

There is plenty of evidence out there to convince me that his shooting (3's and ft's) should improve - his form looks good, better and smoother than Smart. His percentages were better in highschool. And Brad said it himself, it's just going to take reps, his shot isn't broken. The "koolaid" gang are those who are just parroting other pundits, despite the obvious eye test pointing out the opposite.

[Cyclical]

Too many posters are drinking the Kool Aid.

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2008 Team - Best shooting team in league. 2 players (Ray Allen, Eddie House were 40% 3 pt. shooters, and two (Pierce, Posey) were 38%. That's off the charts reliable. And all those guys, including Garnett, were at least 80% free throw shooters. Ray Allen and Eddie House were pushing 90% from the free throw line. 1 League MVP, 1 Finals MVP, 3 players 1rst or 2nd Team All-NBA at some point in their career (meaning one of the 10 best players in the NBA).

Paul Pierce, Freshman year at Kansas: 30% 3-point shooter
Eddie House, Freshman year at Arizona State: 32% 3-point shooter
James Posey, Freshman year an Xavier: 19% 3-point shooter
Kevin Garnett, Rookie year at Minny: 29% 3-point shooter

Ray Allen is a freak of nature shooter since he was a teen so I'm not including him, but you get the point. You just don't know after 1 year of school. especially in a sub-par program. Regardless, we're not competing for a title with this current roster. He's 1 piece. Could be a special piece in no time.

[Crossy2008]

Brown can shoot it.. Wait till he gets in the NBA before writing off his J. You have to understand college plays a pittance of games compared to the NBA. So if a guy gets off to what would be a cold start over here - his season is over..

If you want to write off Smart's J or Rondo's J - I feel ya. But Brown hasn't played yet.. It's a different life being a professional, having coaches - being on the road - play 80 games..

You could even argue that the first year in the NBA isn't enough to accurately evaluate a player. It is a tough league to play in, and once upon a time players needed four years of playing college basketball to prepare themselves for playing in the NBA.

I wish we still lived in that era because the NBA would be such a better product if every player spent four years preparing for the pros post high school. Problem is that the college is essentially paying themselves the players salaries. Not only that but the draft would be a lot better too because we would have a much greater sample size.

I mean Jordan came in and scored 28ppg rookie season. Bird scored 21ppg. Kobe got 7.6ppg. Tracy McGrady got 7ppg.

There are too many player coming in before they are ready, and the GM's all want to be the ones to grab those players early because they look great if they do.

[Higgs Boston]

Brown is rudy gay as best case scenario. Vince carter comparison is unlikey, and the comparison with Wade, well... I don't have the words to describe how ridiculous is this.

[Celtics_History_Lesson]

Brown: 43/29/65

freshman V Carter: 49/35/69

Carter is a lot better for first year, and Carter left UNC after 59/41/68 percentages.

For body size, as freshmen, Brown is bigger and stronger. Still, Carter and Brown don't seem like a good comparison.

There is some Maggette, for attacking the basket, and Corey had 53/35/72 percentages in his first and only college season.

Duke's Winslow, very similar although Winslow had better range. Waiters but bigger and a better athlete, but some similarities. Some Josh Smith, the good things.

Maybe a lot of Richard Jefferson, when he was a rookie out of Arizona.

UNLV JR Rider, the power for a swingman is similar, but Rider was a better shooter at that age. As people, thankfully they seem very different.

Freshman Ron Harper, that might be closer than Vince Carter or Wade.

Brown is good but he needs shooters on the court, maybe he gets an outside shot in a few seasons and there was news from the predraft workouts that he shot well in front of the Celtics, 76 of 100 3s?, but this season he needs minutes and with the floor spread with good shooters.



When I posted some of the possible picks during the season in the draft picks thread, J Brown was who I thought the Celtics would get a few times but that was when pick 5 or so seemed like the pick.

[15th overall]

If you're looking to Pat Riley for comfort, you're in much bigger trouble than you realize.

[Smog]

All I wanted out of the draft is a player, or two who can cock it back and dunk the piss out of the ball, and we got at least one maybe two of those. So I'm gucci. Time to just sit back and wait to see what happens next

I'm with you. These Celtics are already fun to watch, but they'll be next-level entertaining with guys like Brown and Yabusele finishing off all those steals and deflections. Tommy's calls on Jaylen's fast-break dunks are going to be hilarious.

[BannersOnly]

Brown is rudy gay as best case scenario. Vince carter comparison is unlikey, and the comparison with Wade, well... I don't have the words to describe how ridiculous is this.

Rudy fn Gay as "best" scenario??????? Even if you think he will be a BUST, don't give me this bullsh*t as Rudy fn Gay as absolute "best" scneario. Absurd. Gay never had this kid's arrogance, swagger or athleticsm. Plus, Gay is 6-9 and a true SF while this kid is only 6-6/6-7 and can be a SG if his shot improves. I'm not comparing him to ANYBODY because it's fn silly...........if he's as good as I think he can be than he'll be the first Jaylen fn Brown. People really sleeping on this kid's mental makeup. His fn arrogance, cockiness and desire to standout is what is going to make this kid great. He ain't no fn church mouse or play the sideline type of cat like Jeff Green or Rudy Gay. Dude wants to be the MAN.........probably why he went to California instead of being just one of many 5 star recruits at Kentucky or Duke.

[ermocrate]

You can't judge a guy from one season, his soothing mechanic is fine, he only needs practice and tuning. Plus Paul P never had a consistent Jumper, he has always been streaky but I doubt you can find a better "closer" than him.

[BannersOnly]

And, while I'm at it, why is Jaylen Brown going to be a "bust" according to the anti-Brown camp because he only shot 29% from 3pt range. Dwayne fn Wade is a fn career 28.4 percent 3pt shooter yet he was always one of the best "scorers" in the league and that's because the guy had the attitude, body and athleticsm to make things fn happen without being Larry fn Bird from downtown. For cris sakes, the guy's best 3pt shooting year in his entire career was 2008-2009 when he shot 31.7 percent. And Wade is a fn shooting guard and not a small forward. GTFOH with this nonsense that Brown will suck because he can't shoot. He attacks the fn rim and has the right attitude and fn body to make things happen. I'm not saying he's Dwayne Wade, but I'm simply pointing out that one of this generation's best players and a 3x NBA Champion has been one of the best scorer's in this league without an elite jumpshot.