Giannis' Development

[Mirotic12]

As i said Bourousis fits for the Bucks as a backup. All displayed. Passion, commitment wven in friendly game, clutch left hook made next possesion steal, next possesion, posts finds the cutter assist.

Yeah would be a great addition to the Bucks.

Bourousis would be a great addition according to you, but also according to you, Spanoulis is the worst player in NBA history, is not good enough to pay in the NBA, and NCAA players are better than him...

Yet Spanoulis is much better than Bourousis is.....even though Bourousis is the best center in Europe, he's never been Spanoulis, and he will never be that good in his absolute wildest dreams.

I think you pretty much proved with that post that you are a hater and only intended to bash Spanoulis, without ever having seen him play a game. You could not find one basketball fan in Greece that thinks Bourousis is as good as Spanoulis.

Yanni with some plays on D in the half-court. This greek team doesn't want anything to do with "giannis-ball". Not really.

Coach Katsikaris is really the worst fit for this team. He should be fired 2 years ago.

I don't watch as much Euro-Ball as you guys do, obviously. Hopefully he's just figuring out his lineups? The worst coach I've ever seen for a NT was the French coach. Good Lord, a team that loaded shouldn't have played as poorly as they did last summer.

Vincent Collet (France's coach) is way, way, way, way better of a coach than Katsikaris. I don't think you have any idea how bad of a coach Katsikaris is for European standards. He's not a Euroleague level coach. In fact, there are many Greek coaches alone that are vastly superior to him. It's an absolute joke that someone like him is Greece's national team coach.

Come on don't come on any conclusions for any team from those kind of games, especially when it's clear that they are testing things.

Want I can say is that the future of the Greek NT looks bright again among the Adeto bros Papajohn Dorsey Auguste Charalampo and Dorsey. If Loutzis pans out as the next generation's Diamantides then watch out

Not this again. Once again, Lountzis has no similarity at all to Diamantidis. He is a completely 100% different type of player. Just because Panathinaikos owned media propaganda called him "next Diamantidis" does not mean it has anything to do with reality. Lountizis is a totally different kind of player than Diamantidis.

He is more a Rudy Fernandez style player, only clearly nowhere near as athletic as Rudy. Lountzis has very limited play making skills, and would not cut it as a point guard on any serious team. Even Calathes has way more guard skills than Lountzis does, and Calathes is definitely the worst lead guard Greece has had in probably the last what, 45 years?

Lountzis is going to be a wing man, and he's going to be a guy that plays a Rudy type style. He's nothing at all like Diamantidis, and you need to recognuze Panathinaikos owned media nonsense is the only thing that made that comparison. You should also think how the same Panathinaikos owned media called Bochoridis the next Diamantidis and Pappas the next Diamantidis, just in the couple years before they called Lountzis the next Diamantidis.

It's fake propaganda that is colored green. It's not actually true.

[truly]

According to Mirotic Greece had the best team for the last 5 years.Add to that the team that won medals a few years back and suddenly we dominated for a decade at least.Come on man,i am Greek and i dont even believe that.Take your agenda and post on a greek forum if you want to talk about it.This is a bucks forum about Giannis.Nobody cares about your wild speculation.

So the Greek coach threw a player under the bus and said player is back on the team? Weird

It would be weird if it was true.Its not though,Mirotic is lying.What puzzles me is why would he post such things in a bucks forum.What would that achieve?

[har13]

sorry for all Olympiakos fans(συγνωμη πραγματικα) here and the bucks fans but i need to give an answer to Mirotic 12
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[Mirotic12]

Agravanis+Papapetrou are ok as well
Sloukas also is quite young

Sloukas has been exposed as nothing more than an average player ever since he left Olympiacos. Without Spanoulis drawing defense, and without him having free reign against secondary help players (his role in Olympiacos), he basically did nothing at all with Fener, except for a few flashes here and there.

He's never done anything at all with the national team, except suck. He's better than Calathes, and that's all you can say about him. But Calathes is a total joke in Euroleague, so saying he is better than Calathes isn't saying much.

Sloukas will definitely be replaced by guys like Toliopoulos, Diplaros, Flionis that are coming up, and that are way better than he is.

It is but has the most potential than any other guard that we have on the youths

Totally false. Again, just Panathinaikos green media nonsense. Greece youth program guards that are more talented than Lountzis include:

Nikos Arsenopoulos
Nikos Diplaros
Vassilis Toliopoulos
Dimitris Flionis
Antonis Koniaris
Dimitris Moraitis

I am probably forgetting some others. And add Tyler Dorsey in also, because he's only in the senior team due to so many guys retiring and choosing not to play. In a normal year, he would 100% for sure be in the youth team still.

Arsenopoulos and Moraitis are very young, so they will need a long time to develop. But they are definitely more talented than Lountzis is.

Diplaros, Toliopoulos, and Flionis are already better than Lountzis, and easily better at that. Toliopoulos is by leaps and bounds a better talent and prospect than Lountzis is.

Then there is someone like Dimitris Stamatis. I'm not sure about his potential, because he is small (not by NBA standards, but small for a FIBA guard), and he's also inconsistent. But then again, as of right now, he's way better than Lountzis is. I have to see him play more in Greek League, but he's already at least producing in Greek League since like age 19.

You are obviously just repeating green media talking points. For example, if Toliopoulos played for Panathinaikos, they would have without any question called him "the next Galis" for the last year.

[JustinCredible]

Can we have a 'Greek National Team' thread for all of the Greece fans? That way they can be free to talk about all of the Greek players without it taking up the Giannis thread.

[GeoBar]

Can we have a 'Greek National Team' thread for all of the Greece fans? That way they can be free to talk about all of the Greek players without it taking up the Giannis thread.

This is the best post in this thread by far.

[Mirotic12]

According to Mirotic Greece had the best team for the last 5 years.Add to that the team that won medals a few years back and suddenly we dominated for a decade at least.Come on man,i am Greek and i dont even believe that.Take your agenda and post on a greek forum if you want to talk about it.This is a bucks forum about Giannis.Nobody cares about your wild speculation.

So the Greek coach threw a player under the bus and said player is back on the team? Weird

It would be weird if it was true.Its not though,Mirotic is lying.What puzzles me is why would he post such things in a bucks forum.What would that achieve?

Katsikaris also did an interview where he said he was personally to blame for the loss, because he never made any switches on Gasol defensively.

But in another interview, he claimed they lost because of Bourousis. Bourousis said his coach told him Greece lost because of coach tactics.

They were not throwing each other under the bus, as someone said here (that's an American media nonsense). They were just answering the questions honestly, as both are those kind of straight shooters. There was no intent to attack the player or the coach. But it still is funny nonetheless.

You are the one "speculating", in claiming Greece was not the favorite in 2013 and 2015. Even the bookies said Greece was the gold medal favorite in 2013 and 2015 and picked them that way almost across the board. In 2010, the bookies named Greece the bronze favorites, and even ESPN itself picked Greece to win the gold medal.

So spare me the revisionist history, especially considering that we both know every Greek here that was following the team in that time knows I am right about this. You are not just talking with NBA only fans here, but also people that actually know I am right about this. In fact, some Greeks here have even said the same thing already in this thread.

[turbostef]

Mirotic i know you don't have but give me a link for that bourousis Story

Never read about katsikaris say something about bourousis like this.

Bourousis would have killed him

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[Greek]

Seriously everywhere I go that tool is in front of me. Why they haven't banned him already?

Now I need to drink some zivania (traditional Cyprus alcohol made from grapes ) to relax.

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[thomchatt3rton]

Can we have a 'Greek National Team' thread for all of the Greece fans? That way they can be free to talk about all of the Greek players without it taking up the Giannis thread.

I disagree. The Greek NT stuff is relevant to what's going on with GIannis now, so I say let people talk. Just gloss over the stuff that doesn't interest you like you would in any other thread.

[Ayt]

He's not good enough to play in major conference and certainly isn't one and done talent. There is a reason he is at Dayton.

He chose Dayton over Florida I'm assuming because they will play him right away instead of off the bench

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From what I can tell, other than Dayton the only teams that actually put forth offers were Iowa St. and Memphis.

[Presence]

Mirotic12 is creepy with his Spanoulis obsession, like Bjork fan creepy.

In Giannis news, he took two jumpers and missed both but his release was quick and without hesitation so that's a good sign.

[chonestown]

Depends on what his goal is. NBA? How many Dayton players are in the NBA? Europe? College degree? Florida may have been the better choice there. So he probably has some academic issues but he's going to play four years of college ball? And at Dayton?

I expected him to go to Europe. College interest had dried up. Nutty that he was listed as a 4-star. I've heard ego issues, reluctance to play in a manner that would exploit his size and poor grades as reason for the drop. Scouts seem almost universal in the praise for his physical ability, but he hasn't put it together. Right now, he seems to be a victim of "too big for his britches" syndrome. Hope he does well at Dayton and I love Archie Miller as a coach. The fact that none of the state schools were on the radar at the end is a good indicator of what his current level prospects are.

[turbostef]

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Somebody is lifting

[Prez]

Bourousis would be a great addition according to you, but also according to you, Spanoulis is the worst player in NBA history, is not good enough to pay in the NBA, and NCAA players are better than him...

Yet Spanoulis is much better than Bourousis is.....even though Bourousis is the best center in Europe, he's never been Spanoulis, and he will never be that good in his absolute wildest dreams.

I think you pretty much proved with that post that you are a hater and only intended to bash Spanoulis, without ever having seen him play a game. You could not find one basketball fan in Greece that thinks Bourousis is as good as Spanoulis.

Probably because these things are actually true. Bourousis completely sh*ts on Spanoulis, I'd rather have Bourousis on the Bucks on a 5 year max than Spanoulis for free.

How mad are you that Giannis is far and away better than Spanoulis ever was?

[Remon]

I pitty the americans here, they'll have to suffer this every summer.

So, Mirotic12 is KillBillPana?

[turbostef]

We should get back to topic. Spanoulis is Not even Relevant for the Greek NT

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[yannisk]

In Fiba tournaments one loss in knock out stages and you are out, there are many teams that are close enough in talent so there is a thin line between success and failure. On top of that Greeks always overate our national team and then put the failure on our coach. Greece has had some good NT coaches (there have been successful in other teams). Even Katsikaris who has not have a great career has only two losses in official NT matches in two Fiba tournaments. Last tournament we lost by two points to Spain the eventual winners, a different draw or just an extra shot and we could be talking for a successful tournament.

[Blublah]

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Somebody is lifting

He looks a little bigger.... I wonder if he is starting to feel more comfortable at a heavier weight.....

[Magic Giannison]

Please no more Spanoulis talk, lets just focus on our Basketball God Giannis.
Once again he was the key factor on why we won today and im sure he is gonna be the leader of Bucks NT for the next 15 years.
He is gonna conquer the whole freaking world!