Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th

[thunderforce]

The 2014 draft was just weirdly OOC for Masai who otherwise has mostly gone after players with great production. Not just Bruno but Deandre Daniels pick (talented underperformer, soft) was the opposite type of player as his other ones

We probably weren't using Watson back then .

[CunningLinguist]

Judging from the game Risk101 posted, he reminds me a lot of Biz if he had better hands and a more developed shot. Not nearly as much of a liability with the ball in his hands on offense. Everywhere on the court, always hustling. Looks pretty decent at picking up guards on switches. Deceptive length, ability to run out from the interior and get blocks on perimeter shooters.

Probably needs to put on 10-20 pounds to hold his ground in the league, but looks very promising.

He and Biz's skill sets seem a bit redundant, should be interesting to see how they co-exist if we manage to retain Biyombo. They'd be a huge problem for other teams if they can be on the floor at the same time.

Biz can't pass like Siakim. We only saw a couple examples of Siakim's jumpshot in that game, but it's much improved over his freshman year. That's another area where their skillsets may differ. Biz is a 5 and Siakim is definitely a 4.

They may not be the best pairing on the court but you could play JV with Siakim and Biz with Poeltl (not to mention Poeltl with Siakim and Patterson with any of the centres). If Poeltl can indeed play the 4 as well as the 5, there's a lot of roster flexibility.

[yt_boi]

Judging from the game Risk101 posted, he reminds me a lot of Biz if he had better hands and a more developed shot. Not nearly as much of a liability with the ball in his hands on offense. Everywhere on the court, always hustling. Looks pretty decent at picking up guards on switches. Deceptive length, ability to run out from the interior and get blocks on perimeter shooters.

Probably needs to put on 10-20 pounds to hold his ground in the league, but looks very promising.

He and Biz's skill sets seem a bit redundant, should be interesting to see how they co-exist if we manage to retain Biyombo. They'd be a huge problem for other teams if they can be on the floor at the same time.

Biz can't pass like Siakim. We only saw a couple examples of Siakim's jumpshot in that game, but it's much improved over his freshman year. That's another area where their skillsets may differ. Biz is a 5 and Siakim is definitely a 4.

They may not be the best pairing on the court but you could play JV with Siakim and Biz with Poeltl (not to mention Poeltl with Siakim and Patterson with any of the centres). If Poeltl can indeed play the 4 as well as the 5, there's a lot of roster flexibility.

Stop acting like you know anything about siakam when you don't even know how to spell his name....saying that tho I agree with most of what you said lol...I see him as a hustle 4 with a midrange shot in the future

[notsla refar]

Don't let facts get in the way of a good argument

Fact is Masai hasn't been here very long but we know he reached really bad on Bruno and he had a hand in us drafting Solomon Alibi. Even Delon Wright was a bit of a reach with Portis still on the board. This year he reached on Pascal,so I'd say he's developing a history for reaching on draft picks in Toronto. But, hey don't let history get in the way of ignorance

Well lets not get history get in the way of ignorance. You mentioned Alibi but not Powell.
Delon Wright wasn't a reach. Dallas would've picked him right after us if we'd passed on him.
And can someone please explain the masturbatory obsession some fans here have with Portis? WTF has he done that makes him a can't miss prospect?

PF was a position of need for us. People wanted Portis over Delon at the draft, then Noah got injured and he had a good stretch of games for the Bulls last year. This was before Wright got any real minutes for us, but people started calling Delon a wasted pick and saying we should've picked Portis.

The argument doesn't really hold much weight since Delon has shown he can play and wasn't a waste of a pick, but people are still clinging to it for some reason.

[Rapsalot]

Ujiri gonna Ujiri...

To predictable several good players slip to us and we pass on them to reach for a guy nobody has heard of

Good players or big name players?

I'm sure there is a Rodney Hood and Bobby Portis in there somewhere

I think this year is different I want R Hood or K Anderson because they projected well and we needed a wing and they could help.
I was shocked at our good fortune that Portis fell to us as the draft was going I kept counting because he was projected 14-16 ish but I thought he will be gone then closer and closer. Finally our pick I was 98% sure we would take him great player and a need then Delon Wright WTF.

This year I didn't have a good feel for the KY kid I guess I would have taken Mi State or Bryce from NC I thing was still on board but I won't give MU as much heat for 27th pick and I did not have a dog in the fight this year.

[CunningLinguist]

Judging from the game Risk101 posted, he reminds me a lot of Biz if he had better hands and a more developed shot. Not nearly as much of a liability with the ball in his hands on offense. Everywhere on the court, always hustling. Looks pretty decent at picking up guards on switches. Deceptive length, ability to run out from the interior and get blocks on perimeter shooters.

Probably needs to put on 10-20 pounds to hold his ground in the league, but looks very promising.

He and Biz's skill sets seem a bit redundant, should be interesting to see how they co-exist if we manage to retain Biyombo. They'd be a huge problem for other teams if they can be on the floor at the same time.

Biz can't pass like Siakim. We only saw a couple examples of Siakim's jumpshot in that game, but it's much improved over his freshman year. That's another area where their skillsets may differ. Biz is a 5 and Siakim is definitely a 4.

They may not be the best pairing on the court but you could play JV with Siakim and Biz with Poeltl (not to mention Poeltl with Siakim and Patterson with any of the centres). If Poeltl can indeed play the 4 as well as the 5, there's a lot of roster flexibility.

Stop acting like you know anything about siakam when you don't even know how to spell his name....saying that tho I agree with most of what you said lol...I see him as a hustle 4 with a midrange shot in the future

I've formed my opinion based on watching several of Siakam's full games which are available for your viewing pleasure. You may wish to do the same.

[Rapsalot]

Fact is Masai hasn't been here very long but we know he reached really bad on Bruno and he had a hand in us drafting Solomon Alibi. Even Delon Wright was a bit of a reach with Portis still on the board. This year he reached on Pascal,so I'd say he's developing a history for reaching on draft picks in Toronto. But, hey don't let history get in the way of ignorance

Well lets not get history get in the way of ignorance. You mentioned Alibi but not Powell.
Delon Wright wasn't a reach. Dallas would've picked him right after us if we'd passed on him.
And can someone please explain the masturbatory obsession some fans here have with Portis? WTF has he done that makes him a can't miss prospect?

PF was a position of need for us. People wanted Portis over Delon at the draft, then Noah got injured and he had a good stretch of games for the Bulls last year. This was before Wright got any real minutes for us, but people started calling Delon a wasted pick and saying we should've picked Portis.

The argument doesn't really hold much weight since Delon has shown he can play and wasn't a waste of a pick, but people are still clinging to it for some reason.

Portis was projected 14-16 in draft most folks hoped that he would fall going into draft. Many analysis said Bobby might not have the best up side but, for a teens pick had a great chance at sticking on a roster in NBA for years as starter or first big off bench. Hi has Tough D, great motor and if he ever got shooting range he would have both pick and role and pick and pop. Delon is Ok but we don't really need him. If KLow goes down we would have signed another backup and CoJo gets keys. Where we could have used Portis last year some and this year. I believe he will average a double double this year if healthy. With some good D. That is pretty good for a second year player drafted 22 when you needed a PF!

[notsla refar]

Well lets not get history get in the way of ignorance. You mentioned Alibi but not Powell.
Delon Wright wasn't a reach. Dallas would've picked him right after us if we'd passed on him.
And can someone please explain the masturbatory obsession some fans here have with Portis? WTF has he done that makes him a can't miss prospect?

PF was a position of need for us. People wanted Portis over Delon at the draft, then Noah got injured and he had a good stretch of games for the Bulls last year. This was before Wright got any real minutes for us, but people started calling Delon a wasted pick and saying we should've picked Portis.

The argument doesn't really hold much weight since Delon has shown he can play and wasn't a waste of a pick, but people are still clinging to it for some reason.

Portis was projected 14-16 in draft most folks hope that he would fall going into draft many analysis said Bobby might not have the best up side but for a teens pick had a great chance at sticking. Tough D, great motor, if he ever got shooting range he would have both pick and role and pick and pop. Delon is Ok but we don't really need him. If KLow goes down we would have signed another backup and CoJo gets keys. Where we could have used Portis last year some and this year I believe he will average a double double if health. With some good D. That pretty good for a second year guy drafted 22 when you needed a PF!

I'm not saying Portis would've been a bad pick, but you draft BPA whenever possible. Right now it's still unclear as to who that is between him and Wright.

[notsla refar]

Judging from the game Risk101 posted, he reminds me a lot of Biz if he had better hands and a more developed shot. Not nearly as much of a liability with the ball in his hands on offense. Everywhere on the court, always hustling. Looks pretty decent at picking up guards on switches. Deceptive length, ability to run out from the interior and get blocks on perimeter shooters.

Probably needs to put on 10-20 pounds to hold his ground in the league, but looks very promising.

He and Biz's skill sets seem a bit redundant, should be interesting to see how they co-exist if we manage to retain Biyombo. They'd be a huge problem for other teams if they can be on the floor at the same time.

Biz can't pass like Siakim. We only saw a couple examples of Siakim's jumpshot in that game, but it's much improved over his freshman year. That's another area where their skillsets may differ. Biz is a 5 and Siakim is definitely a 4.

They may not be the best pairing on the court but you could play JV with Siakim and Biz with Poeltl (not to mention Poeltl with Siakim and Patterson with any of the centres). If Poeltl can indeed play the 4 as well as the 5, there's a lot of roster flexibility.

Could you imagine Siakam and Biz on the floor together? Swat city

[CunningLinguist]

Well lets not get history get in the way of ignorance. You mentioned Alibi but not Powell.
Delon Wright wasn't a reach. Dallas would've picked him right after us if we'd passed on him.
And can someone please explain the masturbatory obsession some fans here have with Portis? WTF has he done that makes him a can't miss prospect?

PF was a position of need for us. People wanted Portis over Delon at the draft, then Noah got injured and he had a good stretch of games for the Bulls last year. This was before Wright got any real minutes for us, but people started calling Delon a wasted pick and saying we should've picked Portis.

The argument doesn't really hold much weight since Delon has shown he can play and wasn't a waste of a pick, but people are still clinging to it for some reason.

Portis was projected 14-16 in draft most folks hoped that he would fall going into draft. Many analysis said Bobby might not have the best up side but, for a teens pick had a great chance at sticking on a roster in NBA for years as starter or first big off bench. Hi has Tough D, great motor and if he ever got shooting range he would have both pick and role and pick and pop. Delon is Ok but we don't really need him. If KLow goes down we would have signed another backup and CoJo gets keys. Where we could have used Portis last year some and this year. I believe he will average a double double this year if healthy. With some good D. That is pretty good for a second year player drafted 22 when you needed a PF!

Ask Bulls fans about Portis' defense. That's a weak park of his game. If anything, the PF that I may have wanted was Kevon Looney. He was derailed a bit with his hip injury and he may not get much of a chance playing on one of the best teams in the league, but I like his defense and he has a nice midrange shot.

[Blood Orange]

I think Delon is way better than Portis. Portis is going to be a good player but Delon is going to be a certified stud. Masai made an excellent choice with that pick.

[notsla refar]

I think Delon is way better than Portis. Portis is going to be a good player but Delon is going to be a certified stud. Masai made an excellent choice with that pick.

Tolzman played a big part in the Delon pick, apparently.

[CunningLinguist]

I think Delon is way better than Portis. Portis is going to be a good player but Delon is going to be a certified stud. Masai made an excellent choice with that pick.

I like Delon as well. He has such a great feel for the game. We've got to get him minutes with the big club. If we were to trade Cojo, losing his playoff experience may hurt in the short-term, but we may be better off in the long run.

[S.W.A.N]

Well lets not get history get in the way of ignorance. You mentioned Alibi but not Powell.
Delon Wright wasn't a reach. Dallas would've picked him right after us if we'd passed on him.
And can someone please explain the masturbatory obsession some fans here have with Portis? WTF has he done that makes him a can't miss prospect?

PF was a position of need for us. People wanted Portis over Delon at the draft, then Noah got injured and he had a good stretch of games for the Bulls last year. This was before Wright got any real minutes for us, but people started calling Delon a wasted pick and saying we should've picked Portis.

The argument doesn't really hold much weight since Delon has shown he can play and wasn't a waste of a pick, but people are still clinging to it for some reason.

Portis was projected 14-16 in draft most folks hoped that he would fall going into draft. Many analysis said Bobby might not have the best up side but, for a teens pick had a great chance at sticking on a roster in NBA for years as starter or first big off bench. Hi has Tough D, great motor and if he ever got shooting range he would have both pick and role and pick and pop. Delon is Ok but we don't really need him. If KLow goes down we would have signed another backup and CoJo gets keys. Where we could have used Portis last year some and this year. I believe he will average a double double this year if healthy. With some good D. That is pretty good for a second year player drafted 22 when you needed a PF!

Ignoring need and drafting the guy you like is a smart way to draft. Would Portis play over Scola or Patterson? I highly doubt it.

I got no issue with liking Portis but I still today take Wright. His size, court vision and defensive potential at the pg position is excellent.

[Deadpool Raptor]

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Even the GODDAMN KINGS had the sense to pick up SKAL with the very next pick (28)...even tho he didn't work out for them either!

Isn't it a bad sign for a player that teams who passed on him worked him out, and the team that drafted him never saw him work out?

Maybe a GM took your approach in ass backwards decision making?

[RaptorsLife]

pascal has better stats, better measurements than skal. and he is actually loves basketball.

[Volcano]

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Even the GODDAMN KINGS had the sense to pick up SKAL with the very next pick (28)...even tho he didn't work out for them either!

Isn't it a bad sign for a player that teams who passed on him worked him out, and the team that drafted him never saw him work out?

Maybe a GM took your approach in ass backwards decision making?

Sacramento drafts Skal : Cabocle loves Skal
Sacramento is the dumbest organization in the league : ???

[da6god]

Skal and Deyonta have a lot of developing to do , might turn out OK but not good picks for raps in the current time for the franchise

for the same reason a player like Thon Maker was a risky picture given our current win now mode

Jakob Poeltl and Siakam are definitely guys that can be at least solid role players or contributors now

much like Norm Powell was in his first year

[notsla refar]

Jakob Poeltl and Siakam are definitely guys that can be at least solid role players or contributors now

much like Norm Powell was in his first year

Our picks the last two years definitely seem like we're focusing on NBA-ready guys rather than prospects. Not a freshman in the bunch.

[CoachJReturns]

Should be fun to watch the Bruno and Paskal show in D League next year. I'm guessing Paskal will see some minutes at center with Bruno getting some at power forward since Bruno should be more of a faceup 4 going forward.

I'm interested to see who takes over for Murmys? He did a good job judging by the development of Norm, Delon and Bruno. Only failure was Bennett which was just handled badly by everyone including AB from start to finish.
If in a year's time both these guys can be rotation players, that would be some nice depth to work with.