Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI

[gtn130]

I can't get behind gutting the roster for Cousins. That is entirely too much faith placed in him. We've been waiting for him to get it together for six years and it hasn't happened. The kid is hopelessly immature.

I think I'm at this point with Cousins as well.

That said, I think Cousins would be great in the situation Rondo was in during his early years in Boston. Playing next to a bunch of grown men and future HOFers who simply weren't going to even pay attention to his childish nonsense. Cousins would fall in line and be a huge asset. The Wizards are definitely not that spot, though.

[Ruzious]

If I had to choose between giving Cousins a new, full max and giving Joakim Noah the same deal -- I'd go with Noah. And, I also think that giving Noah such a deal would be a disaster.

People keep saying that Cousins has put up "monster stats" or at least "outstanding" ones. But, he hasn't. He scores a lot of points, but that's because he takes a lot of shots -- at a low efficiency. The more low efficiency shooting a team has the more games that team loses. Cousins is not a good scorer in the least.

Cousins does get lots of rebounds. But he mullifies too many of them by his incresible penchant for turning the ball over. Net that out in comparison to other Centers, and he's nothing special.

Happily, we don't seem to be thinking of trading for Cousins -- whew! Instead, we are thinking of maxxing Joakim Noah.

You know, they say that when you are in a hole, the first thing you should do is stop digging. Ernie seems to take the opposite view.

Anyone ready to stomach another slide down to 30 or fewer wins?

Cousins isn't even close to being a free agent, so what's the point of discussing Cousins with a max? There is none.

Noah at the max is absurd beyond words. There are 3 max's, and Noah would be in the middle - 30% of the cap. The Wiz are being exposed with a well-earned national reputation as a team that always panics and overpays. Maybe that national slap in the face will finally wake up Leonsis.

[montestewart]

Maybe Brooks started the rumor to try and force in a new GM after watching an episode of House of Cards.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I can't get behind gutting the roster for Cousins. That is entirely too much faith placed in him. We've been waiting for him to get it together for six years and it hasn't happened. The kid is hopelessly immature.

I agree. I will never forget what Jay Bilas said before the 2010 draft. Bilas is a sober analyst. not prone to hyperbole -- except perhaps when talking about physical measurables. He said he had worked with Cousins and simply wouldn't draft him. He's used some euphemisms to basically say that Cousins was too big of an as*hole to risk having on your team. Cousins has flashed supreme talent, yes. Sacramento has been a picture of dysfunction, yes. But Cousins has done little to nothing to dispel his bad rap. To boot, while he's uber-talented and put up huge counting stats, his inefficiency makes him not particularly productive. Maybe after some more humbling, aging, and maturing, he can take the Rasheed Wallace route and be some team's final piece. But I wouldn't build around him; no way.

(PS: This post is coming from a keyboard with a non-functional comma key. No commas make for some tough writing/reading. SORRY in advance).

Fisher: Chocolate City gear is working for me! Fat-fit must be in season. I'm wearing it as oft as I can and I THANK YOU in public for your thoughtfulness. Thanks!

Speaking of humbling/aging/maturing: I think Cousins is the epitome of the big/black man who most people are scared of. I'm not.

Boogie is a guy who IMO you must simply man up with when dealing. Dude is from the bible belt south. I used to be an educator in Alabama. I've dealt with all types. Guys with parole officers. Guys who may say they want to hurt you. And others who just might. IMO The worst thing Cousins will do is punch a (physically fit) guy out-- but that hasn't happened yet. Seven seasons into his career and all he's really been is insufferable. BFD. Learn about dysfunction and then AXE SOMEBODY why he's on the Olympic team and Wall isn't. IMO he's simply high-maintenance but well worth it to the right team.

PER
Real plus minus
Rebounding percentages
INTIMIDATION

These are things the guy does put up strong arguments PRO.

The fact that egos get bruised around him and some folks are SCURRED are things I've read about for years. BS

Dude is big and black and scary to most but not to me. You basically have to agree to have a time to tell the guy to STFU. Get him both a case manager and a PEER (I'm thinking a Marvin Barnes-type former pro or just some random pops figure; even one straight out of the pen). Tyronn Lue told Lebron to STFU. That's the coach for Lebron. Boogie needs the same kind of guy. Understand that the player doesn't always manage his emotions well and give the guy his own means of timeout when needed--but work WITH HIM.

The Wizards are the team that really needs Boogie the most because he would be the first teammate besides perhaps Pierce and Gortat to really be able to tell John Wall to check himself. Wall is much more of an underachiever IMO than Cousins. Wall has more physical gifts but HE and NOT COUSINS continually loses matchups to guys like Isiah Thomas. Wall is much more prone to mental errors than Cousins except for personal fouls and technicals. Boogie gets those. OTOH he tends to maximize his physical ability. Not so for John Wall unless John's legs really did hurt his defense. (I suspect Wall was hurting more than he let on this past season).

All I posted to say is Cousins might have mental issues and he's is big and black and scary but he's been quite functional and quite successful. Olympics to boot. I get SICK of the negativity associated with a guy who's probably going to be Laker soon.

Watch Cousins go to another team.

Watch him become successful overnight.

[AFM]

Did fish buy you some clothing? That's real nice.

But now we all want some. I'm a 32/32, size M.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Did fish buy you some clothing? That's real nice.

But now we all want some. I'm a 32/32, size M.

AFM you have to know that I put out. Oh yeah.

Not sure you measure up, if you know what I mean.

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[SUPERBALLMAN]

Ok so Milwaukee reportedly is looking to deal Monroe, and there seems to be some strange rift here with Gortat. What about a trade for Greg Monroe? It could be a matter of just being a better fit here.

[dangermouse]

I'd rather keep Gortat than use him to obtain the younger Monroe. Gortat plays much better defense. You can't anchor a defense with Monroe in the middle.

[dangermouse]

Actually, i'd rather keep Gortat AND somehow get Monroe, and play him at PF. Would be an interesting experiment if nothing else.

I dont see that happening though, we'd likely have to move Gortat. What other assets do we have? S&t Beal doesnt feel like the right deal for Monroe.

[80sballboy]

Monroe getting moved for the second time tells you what teams think about him defensively. I think for him to be effective, he needs to play with a Hassan Whiteside-type.

[Ruzious]

Actually, i'd rather keep Gortat AND somehow get Monroe, and play him at PF. Would be an interesting experiment if nothing else.

I dont see that happening though, we'd likely have to move Gortat. What other assets do we have? S&t Beal doesnt feel like the right deal for Monroe.

It didn't work with Drummond and Monroe, so I'm doubtful it work with Gortat and Monroe. Monroe got a lot of the blame for Milwaukee's defensive failures last season. He probably got too much of the blame, but there's no getting around the fact that his team's haven't been able to get around his defensive failures. I kinda doubt our new coach would discover how to hide Monroe's deficiencies.

[stevemcqueen1]

Yeah Monroe just takes too much off the table. I think you need a Serge Ibaka or Paul Millsap type PF to pair with him to make it work. The only thing he really has over Gortat is youth.

[LyricalRico]

Yeah Monroe just takes too much off the table. I think you need a Serge Ibaka or Paul Millsap type PF to pair with him to make it work.

Agreed, in my mind Monroe = Vucevic. Orlando tried to get Milsap last summer and just got Ibaka. Somebody would have to take the same approach with Monroe. Not sure who that is, though. Maybe LAL if Randle develops into a solid defender? Or CLE if they decided to move on from Love and move Thompson back to PF?

That last one is actually interesting:

Cavs receive: Monroe
Bucks receive: ???
Team 3 receives: Love

Does Milwaukee want Beal? LOL

[pcbothwel]

Yeah Monroe just takes too much off the table. I think you need a Serge Ibaka or Paul Millsap type PF to pair with him to make it work.

Agreed, in my mind Monroe = Vucevic. Orlando tried to get Milsap last summer and just got Ibaka. Somebody would have to take the same approach with Monroe. Not sure who that is, though. Maybe LAL if Randle develops into a solid defender? Or CLE if they decided to move on from Love and move Thompson back to PF?

That last one is actually interesting:

Cavs receive: Monroe
Bucks receive: ???
Team 3 receives: Love

Does Milwaukee want Beal? LOL

I dont see it for Cleveland. I think the two best fits would be Ibaka and Porzingis. You need a shot blocker that is athletic and can spread the floor. I said a while back that shipping Lopez to the Bucks for Monroe was the move to make, but oh well.

[Dat2U]

Actually, i'd rather keep Gortat AND somehow get Monroe, and play him at PF. Would be an interesting experiment if nothing else.

I dont see that happening though, we'd likely have to move Gortat. What other assets do we have? S&t Beal doesnt feel like the right deal for Monroe.

It didn't work with Drummond and Monroe, so I'm doubtful it work with Gortat and Monroe. Monroe got a lot of the blame for Milwaukee's defensive failures last season. He probably got too much of the blame, but there's no getting around the fact that his team's haven't been able to get around his defensive failures. I kinda doubt our new coach would discover how to hide Monroe's deficiencies.

Monroe did get too much of the blame. I'd like at a full season of Jabari masquerading as a PF as the biggest reason they took a massive step back. Losing Pachulia hurt too and also Milwaukee's bench is a mess. Pretty much their entire bench were poor defenders.

I agree you'd want a strong defender at PF to pair with Monroe. Taj Gibson is another one that comes to mind.

[gambitx777]

I hate people saying move gortat because we get "big man" get and keep them both, tell one of them look we want to win a ring some one is coming off the bench because that's how we win a ring, by having bench guys be good enough to start. and see if you can work that out with them.

[gtn130]

Ok so Milwaukee reportedly is looking to deal Monroe, and there seems to be some strange rift here with Gortat. What about a trade for Greg Monroe? It could be a matter of just being a better fit here.

Gortat >>> Monroe

[deneem4]

Ok so Milwaukee reportedly is looking to deal Monroe, and there seems to be some strange rift here with Gortat. What about a trade for Greg Monroe? It could be a matter of just being a better fit here.

Gortat >>> Monroe

Gortat for Monroe and MCW...
Il rather have Monroe he fits our needs better
MCW can anchor the 2nd unit

[gtn130]

Ok so Milwaukee reportedly is looking to deal Monroe, and there seems to be some strange rift here with Gortat. What about a trade for Greg Monroe? It could be a matter of just being a better fit here.

Gortat >>> Monroe

Gortat for Monroe and MCW...
Il rather have Monroe he fits our needs better
MCW can anchor the 2nd unit

MCW with Wall is simply not enough shooting at the PG position. MCW isn't even really good at anything point guard related aside from being long and somewhat athletic. I'd still not even consider that deal.

[nate33]

I have no interest in Monroe. He's a dinosaur in today's game.