Payton or Conley

Post #1 » by **Bensational** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:32 pm

Seems to be a relatively hot topic at the moment, so let's give it a thread of it's own.

I want to make this quick point to kick things off:

Conley's 2nd year vs Payton's 2nd year

As we go on, I'll try to make an effort to add points to the OP, as pros and cons for EACH side.

the_hobo · Post #2 » by **the_hobo** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:33 pm

Payton has awesome hair

ThatFloridaDude · Post #3 » by **ThatFloridaDude** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:54 pm

Without a doubt Elfrid Payton

Audi · Post #4 » by **Audi** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:01 pm

Elf's most pressing need, imo, is to improve from the stripe. I think he's got a whole lot of potential to draw fouls if he's got the spacing to get into the paint where he's more of a threat.

Nightman · Post #5 » by **Nightman** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:12 pm

Ideally I'd like to sign Conley and have Payton back him up and learn from him. I like Payton but Conley would immediately be our best player if he signed here. Give Payton time to learn and improve his shooting, sign him to a second contract, and by the time Conley's contract is up or starts declining significantly hopefully Payton would be ready to take the reigns.

augustopss · Post #6 » by **augustopss** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:19 pm

We need to take the next step this year. We do need to give reasons to Ibaka resign with us.

And I don't really think Payton is ready to be our point guard.

LBPTarHeel27 · Post #7 » by **LBPTarHeel27** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:25 pm

Push to sign Conley to a 1&1 max deal. We give Elf a pressure free year of development while learning from a great mentor. We are a better team in the process, making us appear more attractive to free agents. Conley gets a chance to play a big role and then get an even bigger pay day...then we hand the starting PG role back to Elf.

Blue_and_Whte · Post #8 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:29 pm

Conley. Hands down. He makes us instantly better and ibaka isn't going to stay because of Elfrid Payton. We just invested in a player on a one year deal and Robs job is hanging in the balance because of it. We need this huge upgrade.

Jameerthefear · Post #9 » by **Jameerthefear** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:31 pm

Conley is clearly the better player but I have no interest in paying him a max contract.

KingRobb02 · Post #10 » by **KingRobb02** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:19 pm

Jameerthefear wrote:Conley is clearly the better player but I have no interest in paying him a max contract.

People do not realize how much money is about to get thrown around. Basically every player with multiple teams chasing him is getting the max. if we estimate about 800M to 1B in cap room for 16/17. About 80 legit free agents. That's like 10-13M first year average price. I don't think there are enough FA for the money available. Everyone will be overpaid.

magicman123 · Post #11 » by **magicman123** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:30 pm

The idea is to improve and win games, so if I had the choice it's easily Conley, he's better

rusoopE · Post #12 » by **rusoopE** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:47 pm

cmon rob, make this happen, sign conley

Post #13 » by **Def Swami** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:54 pm

Conley, easily. Perfect fit for this young team. Strong veteran leader, playoff experience, can shoot and run an offense, steady, and gives Payton someone to learn from over the next 3 years until he's ready to takeover.

thelead · Post #14 » by **thelead** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:55 pm

Give me Conley for next year. If Elf shows that he's ready to run this team to his full potential, trade Conley and Vuc for PG13 in a year.... yeah, I'm not giving up on that dream

orlando1214 · Post #15 » by **orlando1214** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:04 pm

magicman123 wrote:The idea is to improve and win games, so if I had the choice it's easily Conley, he's better

My thinking exactly. I like Elf a lot and still think he has potential to be the point guard of the future. However, if the Magic have a shot of getting a better player to be the starter and to help win more games then I'm all for it.

Elf had a weird year last season, a lot of it was probably Skiles, however he still did not improve anywhere near what we were hoping he would. He will probably do better under Vogel, however I don't want to pass on a better player just in hopes that Elf will make some big jump that solidifies his starter spot. Maybe this is being to harsh on him, but I don't think he has earned that starter spot yet and I don't think the Magic should be scared of bringing in someone to challenge him for that, whether that's Conley or someone else. I also think he can improve dramatically with someone like Conley to help him develop and also challenge him day after day, instead of just handing him the starter role with Watson as his backup.

Furinkazan · Post #16 » by **Furinkazan** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:07 pm

this poll is pretty brutal for Elf league of justice

Incognito76 · Post #17 » by **Incognito76** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:08 pm

Conley on 3/66 mil please.
We need to watch if same people that are voting for Payton will be crying once season starts about not winning games and that team sucks and that Henningan should be fired.

NickAnderson · Post #18 » by **NickAnderson** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:13 pm

Payton sucks

Vogel Knows All · Post #19 » by **Vogel Knows All** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:15 pm

Conley but it was very close for sure. If Elfrid could improve his FT % that would obviously be a big push for him over Conley. As a PG he can't have a sub 60% FT especially when most of his game revolves around driving to the basket since he's not the best spot up shooter.

Incognito76 · Post #20 » by **Incognito76** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:17 pm

Vogel Knows All wrote:Conley but it was very close for sure. If Elfrid could improve his FT % that would obviously be a big push for him over Conley. As a PG he can't have a sub 60% FT especially when most of his game revolves around driving to the basket since he's not the best spot up shooter.

Name ONE thing Elfrid does better then Conley. And no he isn't better playmaker even though he has 0.9 more assists per game.

Who would you prefer as our starting PG next season?