Mike Conley

[bran muffin]

I realize the Mavs have forever been the bridesmaid in free agency. But I think this July they will have a very good shot at signing the best point guard in the market.

The rationale is simple --- the demand for a starting PG will be pretty low this summer. If Conley decides to leave Memphis, there aren't many teams that will want him. Especially not for a max contract. Most teams already have good players entrenched at point guard:

GSW - Curry
OKC - Westbrook
LAC - CP3
POR - Lillard
LAL - D'Angelo Russell
MIN - Kris Dunn (R)
NOL - Jrue Holiday
PHO - Brandon Knight
DEN - Mudiay
CLE - Kyrie
TOR - Lowry
IND - Jeff Teague
NY - Derrick Rose
MIA - Dragic
ATL - Schroder
CHA - Kemba
BOS - Isiah Thomas
WAS - John Wall
DET - Reggie Jackson

I can't imagine any one of those teams splurging a max contract for Conley, when they already have solid starters at PG. There will be only a handful of teams in the league that can justify paying Conley a max contract this July --- and none of those teams are as attractive as DAL.

First up is HOU, and they do need a PG. But no point guard wants to play with James Harden since he handles the ball 99% of the time. Next up is SAS, frequently mentioned as a good fit for Conley. But would Conley want to spend the next 2+ years splitting time with Tony Parker? And possibly finding himself glued to the bench in crunch time? Between SAS and DAL, I think DAL would be more attractive situation for Conley.

ORL and CHI are the only other possibilities. But neither one look any better than DAL. It looks to me like that the Mavs will be favorites to land Conley this July.

[Dirk]

It should be between Dallas, Memphis and San Antonio. Dallas offers the max. The Spurs would love to get rid of Parker and replace him with Conley, but I doubt they'd be willing to pay him $26 million. Aldridge is making $20.5 million and Leonard $17.6M. They would need to trade Parker for pure cap space to have the space available for Conley and even then, Conley would likely be asked to take a discount.

Max contract offer:

Mavs
26.60
27.80
28.99
30.19
$113.58M / 4 years

Grizzlies
26.60
28.60
30.59
32.59
34.58
$152.95M / 5 years

$39.37M difference

$150 million for Conley who will be 29 at the start of next season. It's crazy to think that the Grizzlies will give him that much. But since they gave Gasol $113 million last year, I guess they will be more than comfortable to match the Mavs offer for Conley. They really have no other option, unless they blow up the team.

[Mr B]

I realize the Mavs have forever been the bridesmaid in free agency. But I think this July they will have a very good shot at signing the best point guard in the market.

The rationale is simple --- the demand for a starting PG will be pretty low this summer. If Conley decides to leave Memphis, there aren't many teams that will want him. Especially not for a max contract. Most teams already have good players entrenched at point guard:

GSW - Curry
OKC - Westbrook
LAC - CP3
POR - Lillard
LAL - D'Angelo Russell
MIN - Kris Dunn (R)
NOL - Jrue Holiday
PHO - Brandon Knight
DEN - Mudiay
CLE - Kyrie
TOR - Lowry
IND - Jeff Teague
NY - Derrick Rose
MIA - Dragic
ATL - Schroder
CHA - Kemba
BOS - Isiah Thomas
WAS - John Wall
DET - Reggie Jackson

I can't imagine any one of those teams splurging a max contract for Conley, when they already have solid starters at PG. There will be only a handful of teams in the league that can justify paying Conley a max contract this July --- and none of those teams are as attractive as DAL.

First up is HOU, and they do need a PG. But no point guard wants to play with James Harden since he handles the ball 99% of the time. Next up is SAS, frequently mentioned as a good fit for Conley. But would Conley want to spend the next 2+ years splitting time with Tony Parker? And possibly finding himself glued to the bench in crunch time? Between SAS and DAL, I think DAL would be more attractive situation for Conley.

ORL and CHI are the only other possibilities. But neither one look any better than DAL. It looks to me like that the Mavs will be favorites to land Conley this July.

This is one of the situations where Carlisle comes up big for us. Conley has a huge amount of respect for Carlisle, and he should considering what Carlisle has done for guards throughout his career. Memphis is still the biggest competition for Conley's services in my opinion.

[Pinkyring]

Its a sad day in sports when mike conley is a max player, goodness. As i said in another thread if we can get he and howard or whiteside yes beyound that paying 44 million for he and matthews spells disaster

[Pinkyring]

I wish we could find a way to get eric bledsoe, I wonder what happens with rondo though, oddly had things not went south he would be the perfect fit next to matthews and running pnp with dirk, darn shame

[Devassa]

Well if we want to have a shot at signing him, we have to make it more appealing than Memphis... Coaching and market size favor us so that's good, but unless we have a guy like Whiteside or Howard, I think it would be hard to sell Dallas on him... Same goes for Whiteside though, we need a good PG

[HMFFL]

A max contract for his productivity is still overpaying for Conley.
However, I understand the nature of the business, and I have no issue with overpaying Conley.
I believe we have a solid shot at bringing him to Dallas.

[2011Champs]

I bet Mike Conley stays in Memphis and we overpay Deron to stay in Dallas.

[Darren]

26.4M for Mike Conley on the Mavs is not overpaid.
- Dirk needs a true PG to be effective (Jason Kidd)
- The Mavs need penetrator who can get the best of p-n-r to be effective (we stocked with good 3 point shooter but ranked near bottom in 3 point percentage last season). We need a drive and dish threat rather badly.
- Rick Carlisie requires veteran.
- Mike Conley is hitting his prime at 28 year's old. And he's versatile on both ends at anywhere of the court. He's clutch as well. You rarely find great fit like that.
- Once Conley is signed, the Mavs become much more appealing to top center prospects.
- Despite his injuries, the Mavs has the top-notch medical staff team in this league.

For that reasons, we would better off sign him to max contract quickly and pursuing Hassan Whiteside.
For Whiteside, it is indeed Lakers, Portland or Mavs. Of these 3 teams, the Mavs gives him the best chance to get a champion, all-star game appearance and defensive player of year. Not to mention, he will get his paid regardless. Mark Cuban is such a boss. And texas is the state without income tax. I have counted Miami out. Besides home and environment factors, they are nothing appealing. Even if Wade signs for less, they can't put together a great team anytime soon. However, we can because of our very professional and passionate franchise player, Dirk Nowitzki, who is willing to sacrifice himself for the team. And we also have arguably the best coach in the game that can expand Whiteside's talents to his top ceiling. And Conley and Matthews are both great defender. They help Whiteside to hide his shortcoming and play to his best self. That's not difficult for Whiteside to figure out. He maximizes the money gains, achievements and talents by choosing the Mavs if he joins the Mavs with Conley together. Both Dragic and Wade are so-so defender. Whiteside still get 3 plus shotblocking. What if he's got the best perimeter defenders in the league to slow down their guards as well? What if he plays alongside Dirk? How many extra rebounds and blocks will he get? In a system that run with extensive pick at roll, how many extra points can he get? He averages 24 PPG, 15 RPG, 5 BPG per game as a Mavs.

If Mike Conley helps us recruit as well, our chance is even better. Let's put it that way, it's like we underpay Conley at 20M and give Whiteside a 28M offer for 2-4 years. And then get Whiteside to reach his highest ceiling and gets the Lebron max at the end of his career. That's a win-win situation for all parties, from Whiteside, Conley, Dirk, Matthews, Carlisie, Cuban to the Mavs.

[HMFFL]

Darren,

I love Dirk like any Maverick fan, but I'm actually over the, it's all about Dirk mentality, because honestly it's only hurting us. That hurt won't last much longer since retirement is around the corner for him. At 38 years old if it wasn't for his shooting accuracy he'd really have no value. However, I agree, Dirk will benefit with Conley as a teammate. Conley is still going to be overpaid as a max player. I absolutely have no idea why you believe he'll help us recruit. Are you content with having Conley and Wesley Matthews taking up the bulk of our payroll?
I must say, I do have an issue with him, but am forced to be content, due to not feeling confident that we can land a true star talent during the short or long-term. Even if Conley decides to accept our max offer we'll continue to be without a star talent.

I believe Hassan Whiteside stays with Miami. It's the best situation for him and he fits right into their system. I have no idea why you believe out of the teams you mentioned that we offer him the best opportunity to win a championship. Are you delusional?

[Darren]

Darren,

I love Dirk like any Maverick fan, but I'm actually over the, it's all about Dirk mentality, because honestly it's only hurting us. That hurt won't last much longer since retirement is around the corner for him. At 38 years old if it wasn't for his shooting accuracy he'd really have no value. However, I agree, Dirk will benefit with Conley as a teammate. Conley is still going to be overpaid as a max player. I absolutely have no idea why you believe he'll help us recruit. Are you content with having Conley and Wesley Matthews taking up the bulk of our payroll?
I must say, I do have an issue with him, but am forced to be content, due to not feeling confident that we can land a true star talent during the short or long-term. Even if Conley decides to accept our max offer we'll continue to be without a star talent.

I believe Hassan Whiteside stays with Miami. It's the best situation for him and he fits right into their system. I have no idea why you believe out of the teams you mentioned that we offer him the best opportunity to win a championship. Are you delusional?

We'll see. It's not much to debate about. Besides injury history and age, there's not much you can complain on Mike Conley. We'll instantly become one of the best perimeter defensive team. And our spacing will be vastly improved. We'll see. Be patient, guy. Mike Conley deserves the max. There are many players who do not deserve the max command the same or similar contract. It's not hard to figure out.

[Mr B]

Darren,

I love Dirk like any Maverick fan, but I'm actually over the, it's all about Dirk mentality, because honestly it's only hurting us. That hurt won't last much longer since retirement is around the corner for him. At 38 years old if it wasn't for his shooting accuracy he'd really have no value. However, I agree, Dirk will benefit with Conley as a teammate. Conley is still going to be overpaid as a max player. I absolutely have no idea why you believe he'll help us recruit. Are you content with having Conley and Wesley Matthews taking up the bulk of our payroll?
I must say, I do have an issue with him, but am forced to be content, due to not feeling confident that we can land a true star talent during the short or long-term. Even if Conley decides to accept our max offer we'll continue to be without a star talent.

I believe Hassan Whiteside stays with Miami. It's the best situation for him and he fits right into their system. I have no idea why you believe out of the teams you mentioned that we offer him the best opportunity to win a championship. Are you delusional?

We'll see. It's not much to debate about. Besides injury history and age, there's not much you can complain on Mike Conley. We'll instantly become one of the best perimeter defensive team. And our spacing will be vastly improved. We'll see. Be patient, guy. Mike Conley deserves the max. There are many players who do not deserve the max command the same or similar contract. It's not hard to figure out.

I agree that Conley would be a perfect fit for this team. It doesn't matter if anyone here thinks he deserves a max contract or not, the fact is he's going to get one, if not from the Mavs then by someone. He's the best true PG on the market. His style fits Carlisle's system perfectly. Adding
Conley and Whiteside would surround Dirk with elite defenders and a stud rebounder.

That's the same formula they used in 2011 to win a title. On paper would they be better than GS, OKC (with Durant), or SA? No, but then that 2012 Mavs team wasn't the best team on paper either. It would put them right on par with the Clippers and Portland though. The Mavs would be battling for that 4th seed and with Carlisle as coach I'd like their chances at fighting for a title.

[k-lynch201]

Aside from this year being our best chance to sign top talent. Speaking of Conley and Whiteside of course..

I couldnt be happier that we arent messing around with Durant, even if you have a shot at him, I wouldnt want to go down this road again while all the other FA's find teams and Durant is making his decision.

And after last summer I think this team is due to make something happen...definitely some optimism for July 1st...

[Mr B]

Aside from this year being our best chance to sign top talent. Speaking of Conley and Whiteside of course..

I couldnt be happier that we arent messing around with Durant, even if you have a shot at him, I wouldnt want to go down this road again while all the other FA's find teams and Durant is making his decision.

And after last summer I think this team is due to make something happen...definitely some optimism for July 1st...

Agreed

[daoneandonly]

Its a sad day in sports when mike conley is a max player, goodness. As i said in another thread if we can get he and howard or whiteside yes beyound that paying 44 million for he and matthews spells disaster

I can't understand how you think Howard or Dragic are worth bringing in at big money and not Conley, he's clearly better than both of them, not to mention there's never been any character issues with him like the other 2.

[Devassa]

Aside from this year being our best chance to sign top talent. Speaking of Conley and Whiteside of course..

I couldnt be happier that we arent messing around with Durant, even if you have a shot at him, I wouldnt want to go down this road again while all the other FA's find teams and Durant is making his decision.

And after last summer I think this team is due to make something happen...definitely some optimism for July 1st...

Agreed. If we don't sign 1 or both of Whiteside and Conley, I would fire Nellie.

[Pinkyring]

Its a sad day in sports when mike conley is a max player, goodness. As i said in another thread if we can get he and howard or whiteside yes beyound that paying 44 million for he and matthews spells disaster

I can't understand how you think Howard or Dragic are worth bringing in at big money and not Conley, he's clearly better than both of them, not to mention there's never been any character issues with him like the other 2.

Dragic has character issues? Im ok with him at 12m a year which hed essentially be if we move barea for him, conley isnt better nor is he more valuable than dwight howard, dwight at his best even at 30 can be dominant, conley has always been just a good player, he isnt a game changer and you dont max guards that arent dominant

[Teffer10]

It should be between Dallas, Memphis and San Antonio. Dallas offers the max. The Spurs would love to get rid of Parker and replace him with Conley, but I doubt they'd be willing to pay him $26 million. Aldridge is making $20.5 million and Leonard $17.6M. They would need to trade Parker for pure cap space to have the space available for Conley and even then, Conley would likely be asked to take a discount.

Max contract offer:

Mavs
26.60
27.80
28.99
30.19
$113.58M / 4 years

Grizzlies
26.60
28.60
30.59
32.59
34.58
$152.95M / 5 years

$39.37M difference

$150 million for Conley who will be 29 at the start of next season. It's crazy to think that the Grizzlies will give him that much. But since they gave Gasol $113 million last year, I guess they will be more than comfortable to match the Mavs offer for Conley. They really have no other option, unless they blow up the team.

You just made me think about something....if Conley moves on to SA or another team then Memphis will surely be in rebuild mode and will most likely have a fire sale which could make Gasol become very available. Not that we have many trade assets but I'd certainly be willing to give up a pick or two to get him.

[daoneandonly]

Its a sad day in sports when mike conley is a max player, goodness. As i said in another thread if we can get he and howard or whiteside yes beyound that paying 44 million for he and matthews spells disaster

I can't understand how you think Howard or Dragic are worth bringing in at big money and not Conley, he's clearly better than both of them, not to mention there's never been any character issues with him like the other 2.

Dragic has character issues? Im ok with him at 12m a year which hed essentially be if we move barea for him, conley isnt better nor is he more valuable than dwight howard, dwight at his best even at 30 can be dominant, conley has always been just a good player, he isnt a game changer and you dont max guards that arent dominant

Dwight Howard was dominant many years ago, those days are long gone. He is one movement away from a season ending injury and still can't shoot FT's. And yes Dragic b*tched and moaned his way out of Phx and had a list of 3 teams he'd only play for to get traded to as if he were some superstar and not a above average role player (he is the latter).

[Pinkyring]

Conley is an above average role player too, i dont prefer neither but if i have to pick one I'd take the guy st 17m over the guy at 26, replace conley with d will on last years team and we are probably the same, replace dwight and zaza and we win 4 or 5 more games, this notion that dwight sucks is crazy, he can be 18-12-2 here easy with a couple more touches