Thon Maker is at least 23 years old

[mj23z]

3. "Both schools I went to" implying that because YOUR schools did it that way, others possibly can't do it another way? Even though Australians including the guy who made that Reddit have already said their school did the graduating class way?


You're either a troll or have the logic of a 14 year old. I normally wouldn't insult you on this but you jumped in out of nowhere and just quoted everyone and called people out with pretty **** faulty logic. Move along now wee lad.

"because YOUR schools did it that way, others possibly can't do it another way?" - When did I say this?

Again, your reading comprehension is either terrible, or you just like twisting words to help your argument. The post I quoted said:

"in australia, yearbooks are ONLY for the graduating class "

Which is just plain wrong. I gave evidence that there are MANY schools in Australia actually do the exact opposite. So him saying that yearbooks are ONLY for graduating class is just plain wrong. I have no idea how many schools do this, neither does he. But using absolutes, and just assuming that all schools are the same is just plain wrong.

So where is the "faulty logic" in this? You're the only person constantly using faulty logic and assumptions in this whole thread. Like how you assumed that the MAJORITY of NBA teams knew that Thon was 23, which again is just plain wrong. How about you stop twisting words to help your argument like a little child?

[ebo]

Another picture got posted of that Thon Maker from the 2007 class in the reddit thread. I don't think it is the same person as the one that got drafted.

See link, but the biggest issues is that he isn't towering over everybody. My guess is that since both Thon and Maker are common Sudanese names, its could just someone else who has the same name.

http://i.imgur.com/R1kBhD3.jpg

Also, the OP remembered playing with a Thon Maker, who didn't tower over everybody.

I went to Aranmore and graduated a couple of years before this but I remember a Thon Maker and I know there were a lot of Makers at the school as we had quite a large Sudanese community. My friends thought it was the same person two years ago when his hoop mixtapes started popping up, but the person we remember playing soccer with us named Thon Maker was much smaller (and obviously younger at the time) so we weren't really sure and just put it down to it being a common name. I do remember the person in the picture though.

I put this into the "He doesn't look this old" category of being very meh evidence. Growth spurts differ for everyone and there are tons of stories of guys growing a foot in 1-2 HS years, just like a ton where NBA bigs were nearly 7 ft since their freshman year of high school. It's hardly indicative of anything. Anthony Davis said he was 6'2 or 6'3 until his JR or SR year of high school if I recall. Maker being only a couple inches taller than everyone at say 13 or 14 years old supposedly or even 16 means little.

Fair enough - But Anthony Davis was 6'2" when he was fifteen (above average height for the age) and grew to 6'10" by the time he was 19. Judging by that picture though, it would mean Thon went from what appears to be pretty average height (which is much less than 6'2") to over 7 feet by time he was 19 - that would be an even crazier growth spurt than AD.

[OkcSinceSGA]

3. "Both schools I went to" implying that because YOUR schools did it that way, others possibly can't do it another way? Even though Australians including the guy who made that Reddit have already said their school did the graduating class way?


You're either a troll or have the logic of a 14 year old. I normally wouldn't insult you on this but you jumped in out of nowhere and just quoted everyone and called people out with pretty **** faulty logic. Move along now wee lad.

"because YOUR schools did it that way, others possibly can't do it another way?" - When did I say this?

Again, your reading comprehension is either terrible, or you just like twisting words to help your argument. The post I quoted said:

"in australia, yearbooks are ONLY for the graduating class "

Which is just plain wrong. I gave evidence that there are MANY schools in Australia actually do the exact opposite. So him saying that yearbooks are ONLY for graduating class is just plain wrong. I have no idea how many schools do this, neither does he. But using absolutes, and just assuming that all schools are the same is just plain wrong.

So where is the "faulty logic" in this? You're the only person constantly using faulty logic and assumptions in this whole thread. Like how you assumed that the MAJORITY of NBA teams knew that Thon was 23, which again is just plain wrong. How about you stop twisting words to help your argument like a little child?

1. I admitted majority was a stretch, but you went to the extreme, illogical end of implying that people use several for 2 or 3 which they clearly don't in many instances. The literal definition is more than 2, but not too many. That is obviously relative and I admit when I said majority it was probably a conclusion I came to based on not just one source, but all the other talk I was reading/hearing circling his age around the draft. It was most likely 5-10, maybe more teams based on mock's and what I was reading through various channels.

2. Upon further review, you're right you didn't definitively say that everyone uses the annual yearbook in Australia, but it wasn't hard for me to take it that way at first glance with your wording of "It was that way at my two schools and the same for my friends". I simply misread it initially. You didn't elaborate enough to make it so clear. It could be taken as you using ad populum and basically saying me and my friends only use this system, so I'm calling bullocks on this etc, but I see what you meant to say now.

You're downplaying the evidence here against Maker.

[crkone]

Another picture got posted of that Thon Maker from the 2007 class in the reddit thread. I don't think it is the same person as the one that got drafted.

See link, but the biggest issues is that he isn't towering over everybody. My guess is that since both Thon and Maker are common Sudanese names, its could just someone else who has the same name.

http://i.imgur.com/R1kBhD3.jpg

Also, the OP remembered playing with a Thon Maker, who didn't tower over everybody.

I put this into the "He doesn't look this old" category of being very meh evidence. Growth spurts differ for everyone and there are tons of stories of guys growing a foot in 1-2 HS years, just like a ton where NBA bigs were nearly 7 ft since their freshman year of high school. It's hardly indicative of anything. Anthony Davis said he was 6'2 or 6'3 until his JR or SR year of high school if I recall. Maker being only a couple inches taller than everyone at say 13 or 14 years old supposedly or even 16 means little.

Fair enough - But Anthony Davis was 6'2" when he was fifteen (above average height for the age) and grew to 6'10" by the time he was 19. Judging by that picture though, it would mean Thon went from what appears to be pretty average height (which is much less than 6'2") to over 7 feet by time he was 19 - that would be an even crazier growth spurt than AD.

Everyone else may be standing on the bleachers while he is standing behind them. He looks to be a little behind the guys next to him.

[inquisitive]

Zhou Qi is said to be at least 23yrs old too ..

[GoldenAntlers]

As a Bucks fan I'd be LIVID. Mainly at Thon who continues to defend it with crappy points that make no sense at all. Do you think Bucks fans agree with that? Or are they more supporting of the pick?

Overall, we are pretty disappointed (and unfortunately not surprised) by this organization. Some of us have hope that the "proof" is a troll job, but that is the minority. As of now, most of us seem pretty pissed off.

Honestly I wouldn't let it bring you down though. Bucks have great upside (Surprised at their slide last year TBH) and Antekeopdofosdfosdf (I'm not gonna even try) is an amazing player who has upside to be the most well rounded player in the league after Lebron/Kawhi. You guys have tons of potential with all that length/defensive versatility. Not to mention that this draft was one of the worst I can remember so no matter who you picked at 10 probably wouldn't of mattered much.

One thing I'm bummed about is John Henson not getting enough burn. I'd move Monroe and build around Parker/Ante/Henson frontcourt. I also believe in MCW more than most people including Bucks fans probably. Sure he's horrid on offense but as a lengthy, versatile defender who can make plays, I don't see why he can't improve. I'd like him to try to be a bigger Rajon Rondo type.

Don't get me wrong, we are very excited about our big 3 (Giannis, Jabari, Middleton).
What scares us is whether or not the big 3's prime years will be wasted by the surrounding incompetence of a front office we can't trust to do the right thing.

[Ice Trae]

Maybe that's why he elected to go straight to the NBA? Man this stuff is killing me, lol. A 4 year difference is HUGE, especially for a developmental project like him. If the dude is lying he needs to come clean about it already

[S ID]

I had no clue DraftExpress' Givony was a Body Morphologist

[VeKKtorious]

Hey, at least he passed the "must be 1 year removed from high school" requirement, just overshot it by about 4 years

[Wolf_Cry]

Pretty sure the Bucks knew, and other teams knew as well, but you know the Bucks...they didn't give a damn, still wanted the guy anyways. As for punishment for lying to the league and fans? Well I'm not sure what can be done.

[Ferulci]

Rubbish.

And generally, DX is the top draft site. I can't think of one more reputable.

How is it rubbish? http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ben-Simmons-61928/mock-draft-history/

They had him at 2nd from March until June.

I like DraftExpress but the crusade they had against Simmons the past year is ridiculous.

[-Sammy-]

As long as he keeps making those thons, I don't have an issue with his age.

[Novocaine]

There is a huge thread dedicated to this on the Bucks forum.

As a Bucks fan I'd be LIVID. Mainly at Thon who continues to defend it with crappy points that make no sense at all. Do you think Bucks fans agree with that? Or are they more supporting of the pick?

Overall, we are pretty disappointed (and unfortunately not surprised) by this organization. Some of us have hope that the "proof" is a troll job, but that is the minority. As of now, most of us seem pretty pissed off.

You should be more pissed off that you drafted a guy at #10 that looked positively underwhelming just a few months ago, playing against Canadian high-schoolers, regardless of his age.

I saw Thon Maker losing way too many rebounds for 6'5'' chubby kids who won't even get a JuCo scholarship to be bothered about his age.

[AndriPerdhian93]

I believe it, something like this happening so many time on other sport like football etc. African (no racist intended just fact) is well know for something like this.

[DarkSaturn]

You should be more pissed off that you drafted a guy at #10 that looked positively underwhelming just a few months ago, playing against Canadian high-schoolers, regardless of his age.

I saw Thon Maker losing way too many rebounds for 6'5'' chubby kids who won't even get a JuCo scholarship to be bothered about his age.

I only watched him at that bio-steel all-Canadian game, but he sure looked underwhelming there. Only thing that looked 'nba' was his height, seemed lost in the play. His "younger" (who knows) brother looked marginally better. Jamal Murray on the other hand looked light-years ahead of the other players.

[Tinseltown]

I believe it, something like this happening so many time on other sport like football etc. African (no racist intended just fact) is well know for something like this.

It's racist because people say this about every African player that looks old for their age even when there's no evidence.

Everyone, and I mean everyone said Mutombo was 5 years older than his true age until he was able to prove them wrong by playing well at age 40+.

http://espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2735070

If Mutombo had even had a normal career and retired around 35, everyone now would point to him as an example of an African player lying about his age.

[Tinseltown]

Think about how many people say that Ibaka is declining in his mid-late twenties because he lied about his age and he's really over 30 (despite there being no evidence at all for this other than his declining statistics) and yet there's no one saying the same thing about Kevin Love, another power forward declining in his mid-late twenties. It'd make an awful lot of sense if Kevin Love was losing athleticism because he's really 32, but no one would ever say or think that because he's not from Africa.

[phanman]

They are pretty much the top draft site on the internet, its not at all like that. But hey, random reddit guy = reliable, OK.

I actually work heavily with conspiracy, unexplained phenomenon and the like. I'm usually pretty damn good at spotting doctored evidence like photos. These look legitimate to me and it falls in line with what I already told you about how most teams took him off the draft board because with conviction they believe Maker to be 21-23 years old, not 19. So you're claiming draftexpress is the guru, yet why were most NBA teams ruling him out against their advice? Doesn't add up chief.

Actually what doesn't add up is people claiming a random internet poster would know more about this than both the US government and a bunch of people literally paid to do this.

I'd add that it doesn't say in the yearbook he's in the graduating class. It just has him at the school that year.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but going off a reddit post isn't proving something to me.

Having him at that school proves the point that he lied about his age. As you can see the year book is dated 2010... its 2016 now 6 years have passed and you only spend 4 years in highschool... ergo he isn't 19.

That said putting your self in his shoes you'd probably do the same thing if a shady agent came along and gave you this grand plan to be come a multi millionaire in 5 years - that rookie deal will set him and his family up for life. He capitalized on his god given height and an organization was stupid enough not to do the homework on a draft pick despite months and months of research and rumors circulating his age.

[lambchop]

At least there's actual evidence for Maker being older than he says he is. With Ibaka and Biyombo I've yet to see any proof; it annoys me when people speak of them being older as if it was a fact.

I remember how ppl said bron was older when he entered the league too. He'd be pretty athletic for a 37 year old if that were truly the case

[HeartBreakKid]

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Actually what doesn't add up is people claiming a random internet poster would know more about this than both the US government and a bunch of people literally paid to do this.

I'd add that it doesn't say in the yearbook he's in the graduating class. It just has him at the school that year.

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You do realize people lie about their age and personal information all the time right? If you wanted too, you could make up an identity and the government likely wouldn't catch you. People from countries like South Sudan and Congo can easily make up their identities when going into new countries, even people in US ghettos can do that due to lack of documentation.

It sounds like you're just being a skeptic.