3 names outside of Horford and Baze that realistically could play here

td00 · Post #1 » by **td00** » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:09 pm

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/2/1/10774690/nba-free-agents-2016-rankings-kevin-durant-andre-drummond

NOTE: Al is ranked 6th on this list (and he's coming back to get with a max deal), and Baze is 19.
My top three are:

1) Harrison Barnes (ranked 17th on this list) - he's 23; its his time to step up and take a lead role after his success @ GS....especially with them wooing Durant to replace him. His number is probably 20-22M.

2) Bradley Beal - you'd have to break the bank to go get him, but man, would that be a coup to get him away from Washington? He is exactly what we need since Oladipo is gone and Eric Gordon is not reliable at all.

3) Allen Crabbe - what I saw at the end of the year was a reliable guy who is another threat on the court and has terrific size.
He will be worthy of 7-9M to pry him away from Portland, or make Portland pay him more. Very similar to Baze if we can't justify his raise.

Barnes and Beal will command similar numbers, but either would be a big plus for this roster. Barnes a better offensively than DMC, who we didn't want to pay, and Beal could be very beneficial.

We need a vet PG as well from the group of Vazques, Ish Smith and Jarrett Jack.

Post #2 » by **Hawk Eye** » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:39 pm

1) Barnes is trash. Had an awful post season and fell off the hinges towards the end of the regular season.

2) Beal is a good player but do you really want to invest 20M+ in a player who has proven he can't stay healthy?

3) Portland isn't letting Crabbe go. Him and Harkless are RFA's so it's going to cost a pretty penny to get him. Only way i see it is if both players get ridiculous offers and Olshey doesn't want to fork over 40M+ to the both of them--even then I have a hunch he would choose to keep Crabbe over Harkless.

While everyone is focused on Durant we need to strike on guys like Parsons and Batum.

New_Hawks_Era · Post #3 » by **New_Hawks_Era** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:32 am

I don't think 1 terrible Finals showing makes Barnes trash, yes he is not max player material but trash is taking it too far. Instantly a starter in our lineup. Beal is worth the risk imo, I agree can't see Portland parting with Crabbe.

Post #4 » by **Hawk Eye** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:44 pm

I'm not talking about just the Finals. I'm talking about the entire playoffs. He posted a FG% of .385 on .474 TS% in the playoffs this season. That's trash to me.

Skyhawk1 · Post #5 » by **Skyhawk1** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:13 pm

Regardless of how you look at it, Barbes IS NOT worth the money he'll command.

1. Not a good ball handler
2. Can't create his own shot
3. Can't shoot it all that well
4. Can't dish the ball
5. Can't guard Lebron lol

Stay away from him.

MaceCase · Post #6 » by **MaceCase** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:33 pm

Barnes was below average his first two seasons, took a step forward during the playoffs of his sophomore season and his 3rd season which is typically when star prospects begin to establish themselves but his was incremental at best. Then he regressed in his 4th season and cratered in the playoffs before looking like he lost all confidence in the Finals.

You take the entirety of his limited skill set, lackluster production, and then punctuate it with the fact he was literally scared witless on the biggest stage and it all doesn't add up to a potential star formula.

hawkschop1 · Post #7 » by **hawkschop1** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:33 am

Chandler parsons makes sense to me. Efficient scorer and playmaker. 6'10 can play the small ball four. I'd give him the max and continue to clear cap to resign baze as well.
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Geaux_Hawks · Post #8 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:38 am

Batum has made it known he will more than likely go back to Charlotte.

Parsons makes sense for a guy we could make a run at, but is Horford coming back in that case? are we even going to shoot for a major piece on the wings after drafting 2 guys in the first round?

Beal seems to make the most sense as he is more of a go to scorer.

Barnes is out the window for me. I would really hate to max him out or overpay for him.

MaceCase · Post #9 » by **MaceCase** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:35 am

I like Parsons but he's had surgery on the same knee two years in a row. Sure, microfracture surgery isn't the same dreaded career killer that it was but the fact he required follow-up surgery and he's opting out of 16 mil a year before the ~110 cap gives me the sense he doesn't trust his health and is trying to lock down one last payday while he can.

Yea, Batum is the exact argument I use for people who say they'd never give anything up for a "rental". You get a guy, show him love and how he's going to be a big part of your franchise's future direction, couple that with Bird rights and you're in the driver's seat to resign him.

I don't see Washington letting Beal go now that they are admitting they have little chance at Durant after spending almost 3 years planning to pursue him. They'd match anything on Beal to save face.

A lot of the rest of the guys in that link (which needs updating) are either pipe dreams, locker room issues, injury issues, likely to get matched, or not better than Baze. My dark horse is still Conley though, just imagining him going from that slow it down, dump it in, grind it out style in Memphis to Bud's pace and space almost screams like a Nashian late career explosion.

PandaKidd · Post #10 » by **PandaKidd** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:19 pm

Conley would be great but would they really do that to Dennis?

D21 · Post #11 » by **D21** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:34 pm

Geaux_Hawks wrote:Batum has made it known he will more than likely go back to Charlotte

And he made it known that he will accept an offer, balanced between championship potential/money/possilibilty to play "his game" (like this year in CHA), as soon as he can because he wants to play with French National team starting July 7th

td00 · Post #12 » by **td00** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:37 pm

Parsons over Barnes? Is this a real choice?

What has Parsons done in the playoffs? Has he ever been in the Finals, much less 2 straight years?
All I've seen here is negatives about Barnes, but that is a solid starter for any team going forward. If you are wavering on how much money, simply don't expect any big names to come to Atlanta. It should be a realistic attempt to improve our starting 5, and Barnes does just that.

And which of these is headed to the Olympics? Parsons sure isn't.

D21 · Post #13 » by **D21** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:55 pm

td00 wrote:Parsons over Barnes? Is this a real choice?

What has Parsons done in the playoffs? Has he ever been in the Finals, much less 2 straight years?

Not a fan of Parsons, but I would not compare him with Barnes on this point : it's more GSW making Barnes being in Finals than Barnes making GSW being in Finals.
Nothing say that GSW would not have been in Finals with Parsons in the roster instead of Barnes.
Add that Barnes plays with a $95M team, while Parsons was playing for a $73M team... they didn't have the same guys around them

Geaux_Hawks · Post #14 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:16 pm

td00 wrote:Parsons over Barnes? Is this a real choice?

What has Parsons done in the playoffs? Has he ever been in the Finals, much less 2 straight years?
All I've seen here is negatives about Barnes, but that is a solid starter for any team going forward. If you are wavering on how much money, simply don't expect any big names to come to Atlanta. It should be a realistic attempt to improve our starting 5, and Barnes does just that.

And which of these is headed to the Olympics? Parsons sure isn't.

Barnes has been riding the tails of Curry and Klay, and hasn't even been more than a regular role player. Not even a super sub. Parsons at least shown some flashes of being a 2nd option, and at the very least a 3rd option.

MaceCase · Post #15 » by **MaceCase** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:00 pm

PandaKidd wrote:Conley would be great but would they really do that to Dennis?

No I don't see Bud saying "dems the breaks, kid" but I'd certainly hate if he turned down opportunities to replace guys on the roster with actually better players out of loyalty or by being nice.

PandaKidd · Post #16 » by **PandaKidd** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:01 pm

If i have to choose between Barnes or Parsons, Id rather find another 2 million dollar Bazemore and wait it out.

Barnes I still am interested in , but it has to be for the right price, and the price for him is not MAX money for me. I dont think he ego will allow that though.

td00 · Post #17 » by **td00** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:38 pm

Gordon Heyward shouldn't have gotten the $$ he got last year, but that's beside the point.

If you think Barnes can help this roster, you have to overpay to bring him in. There's always someone who is overpaying players, and that's a risk that Toronto took last year with DMC. I see a healthy 3 who appears to be available due to GSW's interest in Durant.

I'm not sure how many more years we're going to wait for guys to develop. We've seen that trades are not going to get us a superstar, nor is our positions in the draft. So free agency is where we stretch beyond our means.

You're not getting a Durant to even look at you, and it doesn't sound like Dwight is going to be an option either. We're going to max Al, and hope for draft picks to blend in and keep us competitive.