Derrick Rose to NY

[Poohdini1]

I get that highlights are suppose to make a player look amazing, it's not the only factor I am considering. Highlights can make Bargnani look like a beast. The things I'm looking at are Rose's explosiveness, his first step and the different ways he can attack and finish at the rim. He honestly looks like a blur on the court and his passes have been lightening quick as well. Also the fact that he shot over 47% from the field to finish out the season gives me hope that his offense will improve after a full and healthy offseason.

Haven't looked too much on how Rose is on defense, but considering we had to deal with Calderon last year it can't possibly be a downgrade.

He's actually been an average finisher in the paint his entire career (same goes for average - he's either basically at average TS% or below). Last year he was at 51%, which is bad. He shot 47% over 21 games (sample size)...and still had a below average TS%. That's also bad.

His defense was bad last year as well.

The night of the trade I watched 4 games from throughout the year - he had the same issues he's had his entire career. His biggest issue, IMO, has been his poor shot selection.

Honestly, all we need Rose to do is be average and we will be a lot better than we were last year. We had the worst guard rotation in the league last year, all Rose needs to do is stay healthy and not completely fall off the map and we'll make the playoffs

He'll be good. Like I said if you look at just his regular averages they look fine, not sure why the advanced metrics aren't kind to him. 16-5 on 44% is solid af considering he couldn't see properly until December.

[Indomitable]

In case y'all didn't know, highlights are meant to make guys look amazing - that's why they're called highlights and not lowlights or what this player really is like-lights.

I get that highlights are suppose to make a player look amazing, it's not the only factor I am considering. Highlights can make Bargnani look like a beast. The things I'm looking at are Rose's explosiveness, his first step and the different ways he can attack and finish at the rim. He honestly looks like a blur on the court and his passes have been lightening quick as well. Also the fact that he shot over 47% from the field to finish out the season gives me hope that his offense will improve after a full and healthy offseason.

Haven't looked too much on how Rose is on defense, but considering we had to deal with Calderon last year it can't possibly be a downgrade.

He's actually been an average finisher in the paint his entire career (same goes for average - he's either basically at average TS% or below). Last year he was at 51%, which is bad. He shot 47% over 21 games (sample size)...and still had a below average TS%. That's also bad.

His defense was bad last year as well.

The night of the trade I watched 4 games from throughout the year - he had the same issues he's had his entire career. His biggest issue, IMO, has been his poor shot selection.

Everyone on the Bulls defense,stank last year.

Rose needs to stop trying to prove he is a great shooter. Melo is the bail out guy.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I get that highlights are suppose to make a player look amazing, it's not the only factor I am considering. Highlights can make Bargnani look like a beast. The things I'm looking at are Rose's explosiveness, his first step and the different ways he can attack and finish at the rim. He honestly looks like a blur on the court and his passes have been lightening quick as well. Also the fact that he shot over 47% from the field to finish out the season gives me hope that his offense will improve after a full and healthy offseason.

Haven't looked too much on how Rose is on defense, but considering we had to deal with Calderon last year it can't possibly be a downgrade.

He's actually been an average finisher in the paint his entire career (same goes for average - he's either basically at average TS% or below). Last year he was at 51%, which is bad. He shot 47% over 21 games (sample size)...and still had a below average TS%. That's also bad.

His defense was bad last year as well.

The night of the trade I watched 4 games from throughout the year - he had the same issues he's had his entire career. His biggest issue, IMO, has been his poor shot selection.

What is TS% and how is it accounted for?

Ppl were complaining at his advanced stats all year, but the last 3 months of the season he shot like 44%, 46%, and 47%. The only months he didn't shoot over 40% were the 1st 2, and he was playing with damn near 1 eye.

His defense came & went. Opposing teams would usually attack Mirotic, or they would go after Derrick & Pau in the PNR. Derrick would sometimes get caught up in the screens, and Pau is probably the worst PNR defender of all time. He wouldn't come close to hedging and would mostly just stay camped in the lane.

He has the ability to guard so hopefully he shows that again since he won't have as much a burden on offense anymore.

Which games did you watch if you don't mind me asking?

http://nyloncalculus.com/2015/08/31/nylon-calculus-101-true-shooting-percentage/

His defense has been "coming and going" since his first year in the league. I don't think he has the IQ for it (this would make sense given his terrible shot IQ as well), but he does have the quickness to be a good one. Honestly, I don't buy the "offensive burden" thing as a way to excuse poor defense. I'm not expecting great defense from everyone - I just want them to try hard and make an effort to be a good defender. I know Rose had to deal with Pau and Boozer, but even when they were off the court his defense was pretty bad.

I watched OKC, Indy, GSW, and Memphis.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I get that highlights are suppose to make a player look amazing, it's not the only factor I am considering. Highlights can make Bargnani look like a beast. The things I'm looking at are Rose's explosiveness, his first step and the different ways he can attack and finish at the rim. He honestly looks like a blur on the court and his passes have been lightening quick as well. Also the fact that he shot over 47% from the field to finish out the season gives me hope that his offense will improve after a full and healthy offseason.

Haven't looked too much on how Rose is on defense, but considering we had to deal with Calderon last year it can't possibly be a downgrade.

He's actually been an average finisher in the paint his entire career (same goes for average - he's either basically at average TS% or below). Last year he was at 51%, which is bad. He shot 47% over 21 games (sample size)...and still had a below average TS%. That's also bad.

His defense was bad last year as well.

The night of the trade I watched 4 games from throughout the year - he had the same issues he's had his entire career. His biggest issue, IMO, has been his poor shot selection.

Honestly, all we need Rose to do is be average and we will be a lot better than we were last year. We had the worst guard rotation in the league last year, all Rose needs to do is stay healthy and not completely fall off the map and we'll make the playoffs

Asking for Rose to be average is a high task, IMO. Asking him to be healthy in addition is unlikely IMO.

[Poohdini1]

He's actually been an average finisher in the paint his entire career (same goes for average - he's either basically at average TS% or below). Last year he was at 51%, which is bad. He shot 47% over 21 games (sample size)...and still had a below average TS%. That's also bad.

His defense was bad last year as well.

The night of the trade I watched 4 games from throughout the year - he had the same issues he's had his entire career. His biggest issue, IMO, has been his poor shot selection.

What is TS% and how is it accounted for?

Ppl were complaining at his advanced stats all year, but the last 3 months of the season he shot like 44%, 46%, and 47%. The only months he didn't shoot over 40% were the 1st 2, and he was playing with damn near 1 eye.

His defense came & went. Opposing teams would usually attack Mirotic, or they would go after Derrick & Pau in the PNR. Derrick would sometimes get caught up in the screens, and Pau is probably the worst PNR defender of all time. He wouldn't come close to hedging and would mostly just stay camped in the lane.

He has the ability to guard so hopefully he shows that again since he won't have as much a burden on offense anymore.

Which games did you watch if you don't mind me asking?

http://nyloncalculus.com/2015/08/31/nylon-calculus-101-true-shooting-percentage/

His defense has been "coming and going" since his first year in the league. I don't think he has the IQ for it (this would make sense given his terrible shot IQ as well), but he does have the quickness to be a good one. Honestly, I don't buy the "offensive burden" thing as a way to excuse poor defense. I'm not expecting great defense from everyone - I just want them to try hard and make an effort to be a good defender. I know Rose had to deal with Pau and Boozer, but even when they were off the court his defense was pretty bad.

I watched OKC, Indy, GSW, and Memphis.

I wouldn't label him as having excellent shot IQ, but terrible is too far the other way.

[NBA Fan 1234]

What is TS% and how is it accounted for?

Ppl were complaining at his advanced stats all year, but the last 3 months of the season he shot like 44%, 46%, and 47%. The only months he didn't shoot over 40% were the 1st 2, and he was playing with damn near 1 eye.

His defense came & went. Opposing teams would usually attack Mirotic, or they would go after Derrick & Pau in the PNR. Derrick would sometimes get caught up in the screens, and Pau is probably the worst PNR defender of all time. He wouldn't come close to hedging and would mostly just stay camped in the lane.

He has the ability to guard so hopefully he shows that again since he won't have as much a burden on offense anymore.

Which games did you watch if you don't mind me asking?

http://nyloncalculus.com/2015/08/31/nylon-calculus-101-true-shooting-percentage/

His defense has been "coming and going" since his first year in the league. I don't think he has the IQ for it (this would make sense given his terrible shot IQ as well), but he does have the quickness to be a good one. Honestly, I don't buy the "offensive burden" thing as a way to excuse poor defense. I'm not expecting great defense from everyone - I just want them to try hard and make an effort to be a good defender. I know Rose had to deal with Pau and Boozer, but even when they were off the court his defense was pretty bad.

I watched OKC, Indy, GSW, and Memphis.

I wouldn't label him as having excellent shot IQ, but terrible is too far the other way.

It's pretty horrid. Takes WAY too many contested jumpers (usually mid range).

[AllanH20]

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[thebuzzardman]

Yup plus that is one thing he and Clyde have in common. I hope they are open to working together, because there is a lot he can still learn from one of the best to ever do it. I know people hate Isiah but he is in the building too, and if he is willing to work with Rose that will also be great.

Rose has a relationship with Isiah. Obviously they're both from Chicago, but Derrick has said he looked up to him and tried taking parts of his game and adding it to his.

Derrick got in touch with him after the 2011-12 regular season ended. He asked what it took to lead your team to the championship as a PG (IT was the last PG to lead his team in scoring & win the title). Here's the article if you guys want to take a look. I think the Bulls could've won the title that year had Rose not got injured.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/7555698/chicago-bulls-derrick-rose-sought-advice-isiah-thomas

Unfortunately, he may have also decided to take some lifestyle/sexual advice as well

[Lolo]

If Rose stays healthy, he will eat and own his critics souls this season.

He is 3yrs off surgery, only 27yrs old and most importantly, on his contract year. Big year coming. Bulls fans who say not happening are jealous.

Not really true to the jealous Bulls fan thing. There was a large number of fans who wanted him traded because they think he is done, both physically and mentally. They don't think a big year is coming because they've been waiting for 2+years. They'd think the same thing if he was still on the Bulls. I've always been on the "give him one more year" bandwagon. I think he will be great this season. I hope he stays healthy for you guys. I think a change of scenery will do him well.

Also, on the free throw question someone else was asking, as some one who has watched every Bulls game the past 8ish years or so, yes, he was getting jobbed on free throws lAst season. It was hard to watch.

There was a group who never got over the ACL gate. Rose needs to work on his conditioning because he was exhausted at times. That was his biggest problem. He needs to run his a$$ off. He would be going well and then get winded.

I was always dumbfounded by his conditioning. By all accounts, the guy worked his arse off and was in the gym all the time. This past season he slimmed down, which should have helped his stamina, yet it seemingly did nothing. Any ache or pain seemed to really set him back in regards to his conditioning. All last season he was getting back in shape. I've never seen anything like it at the professional level.

[F N 11]

Rose has a relationship with Isiah. Obviously they're both from Chicago, but Derrick has said he looked up to him and tried taking parts of his game and adding it to his.

Derrick got in touch with him after the 2011-12 regular season ended. He asked what it took to lead your team to the championship as a PG (IT was the last PG to lead his team in scoring & win the title). Here's the article if you guys want to take a look. I think the Bulls could've won the title that year had Rose not got injured.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/7555698/chicago-bulls-derrick-rose-sought-advice-isiah-thomas

Unfortunately, he may have also decided to take some lifestyle/sexual advice as well

Isola is that you?

[DowNY]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBfIRvwQt44&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

my body is ready

[thebuzzardman]

Unfortunately, he may have also decided to take some lifestyle/sexual advice as well

Isola is that you?

I can be an ****, but I'm not that one

[madvillian]

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Not really true to the jealous Bulls fan thing. There was a large number of fans who wanted him traded because they think he is done, both physically and mentally. They don't think a big year is coming because they've been waiting for 2+years. They'd think the same thing if he was still on the Bulls. I've always been on the "give him one more year" bandwagon. I think he will be great this season. I hope he stays healthy for you guys. I think a change of scenery will do him well.

Also, on the free throw question someone else was asking, as some one who has watched every Bulls game the past 8ish years or so, yes, he was getting jobbed on free throws lAst season. It was hard to watch.

There was a group who never got over the ACL gate. Rose needs to work on his conditioning because he was exhausted at times. That was his biggest problem. He needs to run his a$$ off. He would be going well and then get winded.

I was always dumbfounded by his conditioning. By all accounts, the guy worked his arse off and was in the gym all the time. This past season he slimmed down, which should have helped his stamina, yet it seemingly did nothing. Any ache or pain seemed to really set him back in regards to his conditioning. All last season he was getting back in shape. I've never seen anything like it at the professional level.

Yea I agree it was bewildering. He seriously had no stamina last year at all. I've never seen anything like it from a guy that was obviously not eating himself out of the league. It's not like he was fat or even bulky -- he just had no wind.

[F N 11]

Rose will make more layups in his first game than the knicks guards made all of last season.

[King of Canada]

Rose will make more layups in his first game than the knicks guards made all of last season.

And both of them will be awesome!

[F N 11]

Rose will make more layups in his first game than the knicks guards made all of last season.

And both of them will be awesome!

Gosh last acrobatic layup made was probably Marbury.

[trophywinner]

everyone has to take contested shots, it's the nba.

complaining about rose's shot selection is petty as hell. especially his mid-range, considering it's always been his bread & butter.

[iAdoreeKnicks]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OJnnOSuAn8[/youtube]

[Jose7]

He's actually been an average finisher in the paint his entire career (same goes for average - he's either basically at average TS% or below). Last year he was at 51%, which is bad. He shot 47% over 21 games (sample size)...and still had a below average TS%. That's also bad.

His defense was bad last year as well.

The night of the trade I watched 4 games from throughout the year - he had the same issues he's had his entire career. His biggest issue, IMO, has been his poor shot selection.

Honestly, all we need Rose to do is be average and we will be a lot better than we were last year. We had the worst guard rotation in the league last year, all Rose needs to do is stay healthy and not completely fall off the map and we'll make the playoffs

Asking for Rose to be average is a high task, IMO. Asking him to be healthy in addition is unlikely IMO.

When the stat geeks say rose over Calderon isn't a HUGE upgrade..the stat geeks need to be shunned.

Sorry. Take your saber metrics over there. Way far over there.

[Retired_Doc]

Rose will make more layups in his first game than the knicks guards made all of last season.

Might well be so, but then guess what? All those layups he makes in the first game might be all the layups he makes for the next 20 games, as he finds a way to get injured in the very first game of the season!

Truthfully, Jackson better get us a damn good back-up PG, because this back-up will start more games than Rose, the "Man of Glass."