2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC

[gambitx777]

I don't see a reason not to play both around 25 minutes a game, keeps them both fresh, and they are both starting level guys, just play them according to match up. i think as long as its working i don't see it being a problem. Like if they are loosing then yeah its an issue but if they are winning, it will work, look at golden state they have starters coming off the bench and they put egos aside to win a ring and it worked for them last year and almost worked for them this year.

[verbal8]

And we're talking about a really inconsistent player here - especially as a rim protector. He's never in good position and gambles way too much. Maxing him would be one the riskiest possible moves this offseason.

Other than keeping EG as GM?

[gtn130]

And we're talking about a really inconsistent player here - especially as a rim protector. He's never in good position and gambles way too much. Maxing him would be one the riskiest possible moves this offseason.

Other than keeping EG as GM?

lol true.

[gtn130]

Additionally, Horford isn't even worth discussing. He's so good and malleable that basically every team that strikes out on KD will move on to Horford. Why would GSW, SAS, Miami, Boston, OKC etc etc not throw a max at him? He's simply not coming to DC.

[gambitx777]

I think we should focus on building a good team, I don't diss like horford but he is 30 and is not the most durable thing ever. IDk. I guess we will see what happens.

[verbal8]

Additionally, Horford isn't even worth discussing. He's so good and malleable that basically every team that strikes out on KD will move on to Horford. Why would GSW, SAS, Miami, Boston, OKC etc etc not throw a max at him? He's simply not coming to DC.

GSW - fit isn't quite as clear
SAS - already have Aldridge
Miami - a lot of question marks, Bosh being a big one
OKC - potentially crowded front-court with Adams and Kanter probably look at cheaper Forwards and build around Westbrook,Olapdipo and Westbrook
Boston - would have a clear advantage and may not be able to pry Love from the Cavs

[gtn130]

Additionally, Horford isn't even worth discussing. He's so good and malleable that basically every team that strikes out on KD will move on to Horford. Why would GSW, SAS, Miami, Boston, OKC etc etc not throw a max at him? He's simply not coming to DC.

GSW - fit isn't quite as clear
SAS - already have Aldridge
Miami - a lot of question marks, Bosh being a big one
OKC - potentially crowded front-court with Adams and Kanter probably look at cheaper Forwards and build around Westbrook,Olapdipo and Westbrook
Boston - would have a clear advantage and may not be able to pry Love from the Cavs

GSW - How would he not be demonstrably better than Bogut at nearly everything?

SAS - Duncan is retiring very soon

Miami - there are zero question marks that would prohibit them from signing Horford. Their team is old and going to change a lot over the next few years

OKC - Kanter isn't a starter unless they're giving up on defense. His value is coming off the bench and hammering backup bigs while not getting torched on PnR. As a full time starter he's not as good.

The underlying point here, though, is that Horford can excel at the 4 or the 5. He is extremely malleable and fits with lots of teams and lots of lineups.

[fishercob]

I'd be doing some serious due diligence on Jared Sullinger.

The cons are well documented -- he's heavy and a health/injury risk, and he can't defend on the perimeter.

On the plus side (not plus size) he's 23, a beast on the boards and pretty productive. There is reason to believe he's got upside as well. Boston is going to be big game hunting, and signing Sully to an offer sheet on July 1 may not give them enough time time match. They may let him walk and preserve space for KD and/or Horford. Plus, with Olynyk, Amir, Crowder, Mickey and all their assets in tow, they may not feel the need to match and prefer to keep their powder dry.

Talk to me.

[Dat2U]

I'd be doing some serious due diligence on Jared Sullinger.

The cons are well documented -- he's heavy and a health/injury risk, and he can't defend on the perimeter.

On the plus side (not plus size) he's 23, a beast on the boards and pretty productive. There is reason to believe he's got upside as well. Boston is going to be big game hunting, and signing Sully to an offer sheet on July 1 may not give them enough time time match. They may let him walk and preserve space for KD and/or Horford. Plus, with Olynyk, Amir, Crowder, Mickey and all their assets in tow, they may not feel the need to match and prefer to keep their powder dry.

Talk to me.

I agree, he's a good fall back option after Horford. Unlike Horford though I think his girth and relative lack of mobility requires him to play C full time so he'd be more of a backup to Gortat. He was the Celtics starting C last year and as of this moment they don't have a replacement so I'm not sure what they'd do.

[Dark Faze]

Not sure how Sully is a fit. Can't hit the three well enough to justify shooting it and is bad defensively.

[80sballboy]

Not sure how Sully is a fit. Can't hit the three well enough to justify shooting it and is bad defensively.

Agree. It ain't all about the f-ing three-ball and having a stretch-5. Defense is more of a priority. We need to get younger and more athletic up front, not fatter and slower.

[verbal8]

Additionally, Horford isn't even worth discussing. He's so good and malleable that basically every team that strikes out on KD will move on to Horford. Why would GSW, SAS, Miami, Boston, OKC etc etc not throw a max at him? He's simply not coming to DC.

GSW - fit isn't quite as clear
SAS - already have Aldridge
Miami - a lot of question marks, Bosh being a big one
OKC - potentially crowded front-court with Adams and Kanter probably look at cheaper Forwards and build around Westbrook,Olapdipo and Westbrook
Boston - would have a clear advantage and may not be able to pry Love from the Cavs

GSW - How would he not be demonstrably better than Bogut at nearly everything?

It is that Horford would essentially mean giving up all their free agents - in addition to sending out Bogut or Iggy. That is an easy choice to make for a superstar, a little tougher for a star.

SAS - Duncan is retiring very soon

If Horford is willing to play a fair amount of Center, it might work. Also similar to the Warriors they would have to make moves that clearly make sense to acquire a superstar, but may not for a star player.

Miami - there are zero question marks that would prohibit them from signing Horford. Their team is old and going to change a lot over the next few years

He is likely replacing Deng and Whiteside - which seems like a push. If Bosh doesn't play the team is pretty thin.

OKC - Kanter isn't a starter unless they're giving up on defense. His value is coming off the bench and hammering backup bigs while not getting torched on PnR. As a full time starter he's not as good.

Probably a better option than the other teams except Boston. Other than letting Waiters walk - they can pretty much take on Horford without a major impact to cap space.

The underlying point here, though, is that Horford can excel at the 4 or the 5. He is extremely malleable and fits with lots of teams and lots of lineups.

I agree that he is a great fit for a lot of teams. It probably is less than 50% he would come to the Wizards - but at this point he should be the first target.

[80sballboy]

After reading a ton of rumors on Twitter and other sites, I get the feeling we're not going to get any of the so-called top guys that are available because better teams have cap room or are more attractive options. Not Durant, Whiteside, Horford, or Batum (assuming LeBron and DeRozan re-sign with their own teams, we don't need Conley). That leaves Sullinger, Parsons, Biyombo, Marvin Williams, Dwight Howard (ugh), Deng, Cole Aldridch and Ryan Anderson as options. Not game-changing impact guys like a Horford or Durant.

Wonder if we should go back to grabbing a bunch of one-year contract dudes and attempting to go for 2017 Free Agency yet again, who the f-ck will want to play here if we are .500 again. Will getting cheaper guys like Cole Aldrich, Jerryd Bayless, Sato, Darrell Arthur and Alan Anderson translate into 8-10 more wins? Of course not. Stuck in mediocrity.

[verbal8]

I'd be doing some serious due diligence on Jared Sullinger.

The cons are well documented -- he's heavy and a health/injury risk, and he can't defend on the perimeter.

On the plus side (not plus size) he's 23, a beast on the boards and pretty productive. There is reason to believe he's got upside as well. Boston is going to be big game hunting, and signing Sully to an offer sheet on July 1 may not give them enough time time match. They may let him walk and preserve space for KD and/or Horford. Plus, with Olynyk, Amir, Crowder, Mickey and all their assets in tow, they may not feel the need to match and prefer to keep their powder dry.

Talk to me.

I think "overpaying" on a 2 year deal with not much guaranteed the 2nd year might be the way to go. The overpay makes the Celtics less likely to match. It also helps if things work out well for retaining him since there is a higher salary to use for Early bird rights. Also a 2 year window leaves a year with Gortat still under contract.

With similar contracts I would probably prefer Biyombo, but even if he gets the same salary, I think Biyombo commands a longer more player friendly deal.

[verbal8]

Wonder if we should go back to grabbing a bunch of one-year contract dudes and attempting to go for 2017 Free Agency yet again, who the f-ck will want to play here if we are .500 again. Will getting cheaper guys like Cole Aldrich, Jerryd Bayless, Sato, Darrell Arthur and Alan Anderson translate into 8-10 more wins? Of course not. Stuck in mediocrity.

I don't think there will be many FA bargains, especially among the 1-year deals. I would rather sign guys with some upside(and admittedly some risk) to 2 or 3 year team friendly(either option or not guaranteed) deals than do the 1 year rentals of low-upside guys.

[gtn130]

Wonder if we should go back to grabbing a bunch of one-year contract dudes and attempting to go for 2017 Free Agency yet again, who the f-ck will want to play here if we are .500 again. Will getting cheaper guys like Cole Aldrich, Jerryd Bayless, Sato, Darrell Arthur and Alan Anderson translate into 8-10 more wins? Of course not. Stuck in mediocrity.

This was more or less what I posted in the prediction thread. Because we need so many roster spots filled and because we aren't a valued destination, we're more than likely going to wind up signing a bunch of mediocre shorter contract players and have another 40ish win season in 2016/17 unless Beal/Porter/Morris/Oubre take steps forward.

[Dark Faze]

Dwight might not actually be the most god awful idea in the world. I don't think its Plan A, but we have to live with the hand we're given and building a great team around Gortat at center is going to be difficult. Say what you want about Dwight but he's still better than Marcin and easier to build around. If we could get Ariza back something like Wall/Beal/Oubre/Ariza/Dwight would be the best defensive team in the conference and could potentially make the conference finals.

I can't easily throw a team together to accomplish the same with Gortat at center.

[Dat2U]

Say what you want about Dwight but he's still better than Marcin and easier to build around.

I think that's an outdated view of Dwight's current abilities. And unless it's DeMarcus Cousins it probably doesn't make sense to build around any NBA center in this day and age.

[gtn130]

Say what you want about Dwight but he's still better than Marcin and easier to build around.

I think that's an outdated view of Dwight's current abilities. And unless it's DeMarcus Cousins it probably doesn't make sense to build around any NBA center in this day and age.

KAT is definitely worth building around. AD as well if he's a center

[deneem4]

1st

3 team trade
Gortat/Ross to bucks
Monroe/MCW/PPatt to wizards
Caps space Toronto
Maybe get a 1st from one of those guys

Mcw- pg in a contract year looking to redeem himself , I think we should use him in the Evan turner role and let him play 1-3...

Monroe - put into the Kanter role off bench playing 30 mins a nigh...

Free agents:
Sign Troy Daniels as beal backup and lights out shooter
Sign dedmon as prospect defensive big
(^^Long contract for those 2)

Sign big; Pau/Ian/Ezeli/noah - whoever
(preferably Pau for the vet leadership)

bonus:)
Il even try to entice charlotte to dump lamb and hawes if we can get a pick back

Wall/MCW
Beal/Daniels/lamb
Porter/oubre
Morris/ppat/hawes
Pau/Monroe/dedmon

I think this is a top 5 team in the east...good bench depth quality athletic wings...different types of bigs to throw at opponents and small ball capable

That's like 70 mil before signing Pau/dedmon and Daniels...