ImageImageImageImageImage

Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th

Moderators: Morris_Shatford, 7 Footer, DG88, niQ, Duffman100, tsherkin, Reeko, lebron stopper, HiJiNX

CoachJReturns
RealGM
Posts: 13,298
And1: 10,535
Joined: Mar 26, 2012

Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#621 » by CoachJReturns » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:27 pm

notsla refar wrote:
da6god wrote:Jakob Poeltl and Siakam are definitely guys that can be at least solid role players or contributors now

much like Norm Powell was in his first year

Our picks the last two years definitely seem like we're focusing on NBA-ready guys rather than prospects. Not a freshman in the bunch.

I think if he had stayed in the draft and been available, Masai would have takent Rabb. Productive young man with a high ceiling and very nice skill for a freshman. Sadly, it was not meant to be.
Image
TheGoodDoctor
General Manager
Posts: 9,807
And1: 8,607
Joined: Jul 23, 2012

Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#622 » by TheGoodDoctor » Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:03 pm

notsla refar wrote:
da6god wrote:Jakob Poeltl and Siakam are definitely guys that can be at least solid role players or contributors now

much like Norm Powell was in his first year

Our picks the last two years definitely seem like we're focusing on NBA-ready guys rather than prospects. Not a freshman in the bunch.



More specifically I think Masai is listening mostly to IBM Watson as we seem to be far more focused on players with strong analytics (PER etc). Delon was a monster with that as well.

I hate to keep dragging his name into other threads but the kid is so slept on for us because we haven't given him nearly enough burn. I'm almost certain that the kid will be a much better back up than CoJo. Everyone talks about how CoJo has good defence but that's actually probably Delon's strongest attribute and he is arguably a better one but just hasn't had the time to show it not to mention he's bigger and stronger than Joseph. If I were the Raps I would build up his playing time as a back up n then look to ship Cory out at the deadline for whatever need we may have then.
User avatar
OAKLEY_2
RealGM
Posts: 20,206
And1: 9,190
Joined: Dec 19, 2008

Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#623 » by OAKLEY_2 » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:09 pm

TheGoodDoctor wrote:
notsla refar wrote:
da6god wrote:Jakob Poeltl and Siakam are definitely guys that can be at least solid role players or contributors now

much like Norm Powell was in his first year

Our picks the last two years definitely seem like we're focusing on NBA-ready guys rather than prospects. Not a freshman in the bunch.



More specifically I think Masai is listening mostly to IBM Watson as we seem to be far more focused on players with strong analytics (PER etc). Delon was a monster with that as well.

I hate to keep dragging his name into other threads but the kid is so slept on for us because we haven't given him nearly enough burn. I'm almost certain that the kid will be a much better back up than CoJo. Everyone talks about how CoJo has good defence but that's actually probably Delon's strongest attribute and he is arguably a better one but just hasn't had the time to show it not to mention he's bigger and stronger than Joseph. If I were the Raps I would build up his playing time as a back up n then look to ship Cory out at the deadline for whatever need we may have then.


I fully agree assuming we are sure we won't lose KL next offseason. Delon looks like he can be a future starter somewhere.
User avatar
T-d0t
General Manager
Posts: 8,978
And1: 13,141
Joined: Nov 08, 2012
Location: T-dot
       

Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#624 » by T-d0t » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:33 pm

Summer league starting lineup looking deeep
CoachJReturns
RealGM
Posts: 13,298
And1: 10,535
Joined: Mar 26, 2012

Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#625 » by CoachJReturns » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:43 pm

OAKLEY_2 wrote:
TheGoodDoctor wrote:
notsla refar wrote:Our picks the last two years definitely seem like we're focusing on NBA-ready guys rather than prospects. Not a freshman in the bunch.



More specifically I think Masai is listening mostly to IBM Watson as we seem to be far more focused on players with strong analytics (PER etc). Delon was a monster with that as well.

I hate to keep dragging his name into other threads but the kid is so slept on for us because we haven't given him nearly enough burn. I'm almost certain that the kid will be a much better back up than CoJo. Everyone talks about how CoJo has good defence but that's actually probably Delon's strongest attribute and he is arguably a better one but just hasn't had the time to show it not to mention he's bigger and stronger than Joseph. If I were the Raps I would build up his playing time as a back up n then look to ship Cory out at the deadline for whatever need we may have then.


I fully agree assuming we are sure we won't lose KL next offseason. Delon looks like he can be a future starter somewhere.

As a guy who was pushing for Delon from the early part of his senior year(He was simply dominant at the time) I will add he does have a weakness defensively. DX ranked him near the bottom of all guard prospects in keeping his man in front of him. This isn't to say he can't be a good defender, but I guess lateral quickness is an issue.

But as for looking at analytics, it does seem to be the way Masai is going about draft picks at the moment. Not sure how well that will work out as some players simply are better pros than collegiate players and some all time college sensations were mediocre pros.
Image
Thebob
Sophomore
Posts: 113
And1: 110
Joined: Jul 24, 2009

Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#626 » by Thebob » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:36 am

TheGoodDoctor wrote:
notsla refar wrote:
da6god wrote:Jakob Poeltl and Siakam are definitely guys that can be at least solid role players or contributors now

much like Norm Powell was in his first year

Our picks the last two years definitely seem like we're focusing on NBA-ready guys rather than prospects. Not a freshman in the bunch.



More specifically I think Masai is listening mostly to IBM Watson as we seem to be far more focused on players with strong analytics (PER etc). Delon was a monster with that as well.

I hate to keep dragging his name into other threads but the kid is so slept on for us because we haven't given him nearly enough burn. I'm almost certain that the kid will be a much better back up than CoJo. Everyone talks about how CoJo has good defence but that's actually probably Delon's strongest attribute and he is arguably a better one but just hasn't had the time to show it not to mention he's bigger and stronger than Joseph. If I were the Raps I would build up his playing time as a back up n then look to ship Cory out at the deadline for whatever need we may have then.



While I agree with you, I think it's going to be tough to deal Joseph given the Canadian factor and the fact that he chose to come here as a free agent.
User avatar
MEDIC
RealGM
Posts: 20,574
And1: 11,308
Joined: Jul 25, 2006

Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#627 » by MEDIC » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:32 am

Not sold on this guy yet. I think there were better players available.

Seems like one of those low IQ players that will force his game more than he should.

Hopefully he proves me wrong.
Image
* Props to the man, the myth, the legend......TZ.
BismackonLebron
Pro Prospect
Posts: 764
And1: 481
Joined: May 19, 2016

Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#628 » by BismackonLebron » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:40 am

Thebob wrote:
TheGoodDoctor wrote:
notsla refar wrote:Our picks the last two years definitely seem like we're focusing on NBA-ready guys rather than prospects. Not a freshman in the bunch.



More specifically I think Masai is listening mostly to IBM Watson as we seem to be far more focused on players with strong analytics (PER etc). Delon was a monster with that as well.

I hate to keep dragging his name into other threads but the kid is so slept on for us because we haven't given him nearly enough burn. I'm almost certain that the kid will be a much better back up than CoJo. Everyone talks about how CoJo has good defence but that's actually probably Delon's strongest attribute and he is arguably a better one but just hasn't had the time to show it not to mention he's bigger and stronger than Joseph. If I were the Raps I would build up his playing time as a back up n then look to ship Cory out at the deadline for whatever need we may have then.



While I agree with you, I think it's going to be tough to deal Joseph given the Canadian factor and the fact that he chose to come here as a free agent.

Trading Joseph would be bad business and he's not bringing back much value anyways. He will be a Raptor until he opts out of his deal.
User avatar
Psubs
RealGM
Posts: 20,865
And1: 11,919
Joined: Nov 20, 2004
Location: Toronto

Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#629 » by Psubs » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:57 am

TheGoodDoctor wrote:More specifically I think Masai is listening mostly to IBM Watson as we seem to be far more focused on players with strong analytics (PER etc). Delon was a monster with that as well.

I hate to keep dragging his name into other threads but the kid is so slept on for us because we haven't given him nearly enough burn. I'm almost certain that the kid will be a much better back up than CoJo. Everyone talks about how CoJo has good defence but that's actually probably Delon's strongest attribute and he is arguably a better one but just hasn't had the time to show it not to mention he's bigger and stronger than Joseph. If I were the Raps I would build up his playing time as a back up n then look to ship Cory out at the deadline for whatever need we may have then.


I can see a bench lineup of Joseph, Wright, Powell, Patterson and Poeltl.

Really, have to see what happens with Lowry next summer.
Image
Dalek
RealGM
Posts: 13,877
And1: 10,677
Joined: Jan 24, 2005
Location: At the elbow - dropping dimes
 

Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#630 » by Dalek » Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:31 am

I found this interesting read on Pascal.

"Defensively, he's really special," Brown said. "He is a multiple-effort defender. He can switch all screens and guard perimeter players. He hedges and recovers and stunts and gets back and plays multiple times throughout a single possession. He's not one and done. He also blocks shots. I think he can step in as an NBA four man right now."


http://www.nba.com/2016/news/features/chris_dortch/06/17/pascal-siakam-hoping-to-land-in-nba-and-fulfill-his-fathers-dream/

I would like him to get a good mentor here. I think signing Luc Mbah a Moute would be a solid veteran to bring in. Both are from Cameroon, and know each other, but the biggest help will be Mbah a Moute's defensive IQ. He could really teach Siakam, while being able to step in as a back-up PF.
User avatar
raptor jesus
RealGM
Posts: 10,766
And1: 22,295
Joined: Feb 12, 2011
 

Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#631 » by raptor jesus » Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:35 am

Former NBA coach, Tim Floyd, with high praise of Siakam after he put up 24 points, 23 boards and 5 blocks against his team.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr1e9f_FU7M[/youtube]
User avatar
theSkinny
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 22,097
And1: 4,277
Joined: Jan 06, 2006
Location: 2019 NBA Champions.
     

Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#632 » by theSkinny » Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:03 am

Dalek wrote:I found this interesting read on Pascal.

"Defensively, he's really special," Brown said. "He is a multiple-effort defender. He can switch all screens and guard perimeter players. He hedges and recovers and stunts and gets back and plays multiple times throughout a single possession. He's not one and done. He also blocks shots. I think he can step in as an NBA four man right now."


http://www.nba.com/2016/news/features/chris_dortch/06/17/pascal-siakam-hoping-to-land-in-nba-and-fulfill-his-fathers-dream/

I would like him to get a good mentor here. I think signing Luc Mbah a Moute would be a solid veteran to bring in. Both are from Cameroon, and know each other, but the biggest help will be Mbah a Moute's defensive IQ. He could really teach Siakam, while being able to step in as a back-up PF.



That is an incredible story.. When he was drafted I was like "who" and now I can't believe very few of us have heard of him.. All this info was out there.

I can't wait to see him play at the next level, I really hope he pans out.. Cause if he does, we got a steal of a pick (again).

Also kinda funny, but our team now is more internationally diverse than in the BC days.

USA
Canada
Brazil
Lithuania
Congo
Austria
Cameroon
Argentina (for now)

That is pretty amazing
Image
lilneige
Sophomore
Posts: 228
And1: 0
Joined: May 23, 2006

Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#633 » by lilneige » Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:17 am

For somehow I think Siakam may end up as Pat2's replacement, not someone would fill in Biz's shoe.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Pascal-Siakam-87577/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Patrick-Patterson-1225/

you see, their height & length are pretty much identical. The thing that stands out is weight difference and verticals. those two have correlation, heavier person would lost some bounce.

So, if Siakam gains some weight in the future to bang in the NBA paint, and improves his shooting touch. It just sound like a Pat2 clone isn't it?
CunningLinguist
Rookie
Posts: 1,092
And1: 190
Joined: Jan 03, 2011

Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#634 » by CunningLinguist » Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:09 am

MEDIC wrote:Not sold on this guy yet. I think there were better players available.

Seems like one of those low IQ players that will force his game more than he should.

Hopefully he proves me wrong.


I'm curious as to why you see him as a low IQ player. I think he actually has a high IQ. He doesn't force his offense and he can really pass the ball. He'll have to adjust his game given that he won't be a go-to guy in the pros, but I think he brings enough to the table in terms of rebounding and defense to make the transition. One area of his game that may take time is help defense, given that his team played zone most of the time.
User avatar
MEDIC
RealGM
Posts: 20,574
And1: 11,308
Joined: Jul 25, 2006

Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#635 » by MEDIC » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:13 pm

CunningLinguist wrote:
MEDIC wrote:Not sold on this guy yet. I think there were better players available.

Seems like one of those low IQ players that will force his game more than he should.

Hopefully he proves me wrong.


I'm curious as to why you see him as a low IQ player. I think he actually has a high IQ. He doesn't force his offense and he can really pass the ball. He'll have to adjust his game given that he won't be a go-to guy in the pros, but I think he brings enough to the table in terms of rebounding and defense to make the transition. One area of his game that may take time is help defense, given that his team played zone most of the time.


I have to admit that I have only watched highlight videos of him so far. I obviously have to watch some full games to get a real feel.

I did see a lot of forced shots in the videos that I watched. He did score 20+ ppg on a very good % though, so maybe I'm just jumping to conclusions too quickly. I do love the fact that he hasn't been playing the game very long, seems like a very hard worker & very very coachable.

Love his defensive potential though & that alone may be enough to warrant a 1st round pick.
Image
* Props to the man, the myth, the legend......TZ.
User avatar
MEDIC
RealGM
Posts: 20,574
And1: 11,308
Joined: Jul 25, 2006

Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#636 » by MEDIC » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:59 pm

Risk101 wrote:Watching Pascal in a full game will instantly make you like him. His foot work, motor, and I.Q is really something else. Not to mention he can actually shoot the ball. To much skills not to like this pick.


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQeapcqsA[/youtube]


This definitely gives me a different impression. Thanks for sharing.

You don't see a lot in this game but if you pay attention to the little things, there is a lot to like.

The zone defense makes visualizing him in an NBA defense a little more difficult, but you can see the footwork & you can see the focus.

Summer league will be fun to watch this season.
Image
* Props to the man, the myth, the legend......TZ.
0 - 100
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,186
And1: 8,449
Joined: Jun 30, 2015

Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#637 » by 0 - 100 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:11 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thb1FwzBwD4#t=11[/youtube]
nabbs
RealGM
Posts: 10,203
And1: 19,366
Joined: Jul 05, 2013
Location: Whiteby
 

Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#638 » by nabbs » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:19 pm

Someone confirm this but I recall him making quite the impression at the draft combine during the 5 on 5 scrimmages
Image

2018 My Top Guys (no particular order): Doncic, JJJ, Zhaire Smith, Miles Bridges, Knox, Wendell, Bamba, Ayton, Sexton, Brown, Huerter, Okogie, Svi,
I_Like_Dirt
RealGM
Posts: 36,063
And1: 9,442
Joined: Jul 12, 2003
Location: Boardman gets paid!

Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#639 » by I_Like_Dirt » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:28 pm

Dalek wrote:I would like him to get a good mentor here. I think signing Luc Mbah a Moute would be a solid veteran to bring in. Both are from Cameroon, and know each other, but the biggest help will be Mbah a Moute's defensive IQ. He could really teach Siakam, while being able to step in as a back-up PF.


Wasn't Mbah a Moute credited with finding Siakam in the first place at a basketball without borders camp? As I understand it he's already had plenty of mentorship time with Siakam. Doesn't mean that signing him would be a bad thing, but Siakam is starting to stand up on his own, too. I think he's going to surprise. What will be important is having a professional, inviting and friendly environment for him and coaches that find a role for him that plays to his strengths, but that's the case for basically every prospect ever.

I wouldn't mind Mbah a Moute as maybe an assistant coach, but I don't think Siakam needs that kind of hand holding, and I also don't think Mbah a Moute is an NBA player at this stage.
Bucket! Bucket!
TheGoodDoctor
General Manager
Posts: 9,807
And1: 8,607
Joined: Jul 23, 2012

Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#640 » by TheGoodDoctor » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:15 pm

nabbs wrote:Someone confirm this but I recall him making quite the impression at the draft combine during the 5 on 5 scrimmages


http://www.lcsun-news.com/story/sports/college/blogs/off-the-mark/2016/05/13/siakam-impresses-nba-draft-combine/84345576/

"Siakam has received high praise from Jonathan Givony of DraftExpress.com and ESPN's Chad Ford during the first few days of the combine. According to DraftExpress, Siakam had 12 points, seven rebounds, one assist, three blocks and 5 of 9 from the field in 24.4 minutes during the 5 of 5 play during the combine on Thursday and Givony had Siakam as one of the top 10 performances on Thursday.

Givony said this about Siakam's performance on his Day 1 recap on DraftExpress.com: "Productive 22-year-old sophomore Pascal Siakam stood out during Thursday's game thanks to his non-stop motor, rim running ability and excellent mobility. He's not the most offensively polished prospect in attendance, but Siakam competes on every play, a useful skill when coupled with his 7-foot-3 wingspan, fairly quick (although not overly explosive) leaping ability, and agility. He's the first one down the floor on nearly every possession, which resulted in a few transition buckets, including an And 1 finish that came after sprinting out to run Jarrod Uthoff off of the 3-point line and then recovering to block his jumper (one of three blocks on the game). Siakam also showed impressive footwork defending the perimeter and ball screens, something he wasn't always asked to do at New Mexico State as the Aggies played quite a bit of zone.

"Siakam, who has a decent feel for who he is as a player, knocked down a short corner jumper and two of his three free throw attempts, but he still room to polish his skill set. He missed a face-up 17 footer, and botched a couple of finishes around the rim versus length. Siakam isn't the most physically imposing player at 227 pounds, but his compete level, energy, rim running ability, length and agility make him an very solid second-round prospect if he decides to stay in the draft."

Ford listed Siakam as a sleeper to watch in the 5-on-5 and that he could end up in the first round after the combine."


ALSO


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2622680-new-mexico-states-pascal-siakam-is-the-best-player-youve-never-heard-of

Some excerpts:

The story of how Siakam, a 6'9" power forward, found himself leading the Aggies to back-to-back WAC championships follows a similar path to that of other African imports. He was discovered at a Basketball without Borders camp run by NBA forward and fellow Cameroon native Luc Mbah a Moute. By the end of the season, he was a first-team All-WAC selection and was named the league's Freshman of the Year.

"He's got a great motor, and that was put in his body by mom and dad," Menzies said. "I had nothing to do with that. When you have a player that comes with those kinds of gifts, and they have good buy-in and are receptive to learning and have the attitude he does, then you can create a special project."

What's intriguing to NBA scouts is the transformation Siakam made last summer. Already a chore to guard because his quickness allows him to drive around most big men, Siakam added a high-arcing jumper to his repertoire, making him a more complete scorer.

Now he can score with his back to the basket—he has a nice righty jump hook over his left shoulder—and the ability to shoot has helped his face-up game. He's made 39 jumpers (out of 90 attempted) at a 43.3 percent clip this season, according to Synergy.

"The main thing that impressed me on him was the fact that he made the big leap in improvement hitting the 12- to 15-foot jumper," a scout told B/R. "Last year, he was a guy that didn’t shoot that shot and now he's a guy who has a very good-looking jump shot."


"But this season he moved away from the basket. He was putting the ball on the floor, taking longer jumpers—but still mixing it up down low, too. He's got a more versatile skill set now, which makes him dangerous because it means he can play multiple positions."

The fact that Siakam has improved so rapidly and hasn't been playing the game that long suggests he could get the upside tag usually reserved for younger players; he's already 22.

It's also a testament to his work ethic.

Return to Toronto Raptors