Other Cap Use? Extensions.

[Wizop]

anyone have an idea what the minimum payroll will be this season? I assume signing a couple of rookies won't get us there. will signing Ian to say 12mm get us to the minimum or will we need to sign another free agent?

[Scoot McGroot]

anyone have an idea what the minimum payroll will be this season? I assume signing a couple of rookies won't get us there. will signing Ian to say 12mm get us to the minimum or will we need to sign another free agent?

90% of the cap, so around $81m.

[Wizop]

and if HoopsHype is right at saying we're at 57mm now, we need to spend something like 25mm or more. doesn't that mean we almost have to sign a max contract free agent or make a trade for a contract that looked bad a year ago? and threads that suggested we needed to get out from under Stuckey's and Ellis's contracts failed to recognize that you just can't get to the new minimum without contracts of that size.

[Scoot McGroot]

and if HoopsHype is right at saying we're at 57mm now, we need to spend something like 25mm or more. doesn't that mean we almost have to sign a max contract free agent or make a trade for a contract that looked bad a year ago? and threads that suggested we needed to get out from under Stuckey's and Ellis's contracts failed to recognize that you just can't get to the new minimum without contracts of that size.

No. The only punishment for being under the minimum is that you have to pay that difference out to the players currently on the roster. If the choice is to pay out $10m in payments, or take on a $15m contract for multiple years that you don't necessarily want, clearly, you just pay out the $10m. There are other options, though.

The concept of dealing Stuckey's contract for cap space, to me, is this. Say we can get Mike Conley to sign. By dealing out Stuckey's deal, we might then be able to also get a Marvin Williams to sign and fill that stretch 4 spot (or bring along our draft pick a bit more slowly), while also extricating ourselves from a potential backlog at the guard spots (Conley, Hill, Ellis, Young, Miles, etc). We'd be at the cap, then, and with no worry about the minimum.

[Wizop]

If the choice is to pay out $10m in payments, or take on a $15m contract for multiple years that you don't necessarily want, clearly, you just pay out the $10m.

sure, but the minimum might want you to be happy with a contract for next year that you wouldn't have wanted to take on last year.

There are other options, though.

which would include extensions as the thread title suggests. if you are going to have to pay a player more than his contract, you might want to renegotiate the contract to get something for your money.

I think though that it is safe to say that there will be some free agents signed for more than the veterans minimum. as for roster balance, if we sign Lawson and draft big we'll probably still need a free agent big which could just be Ian. I'm on record though as hoping we'll get a Valentine or a Brogdon so we can pass on Lawson. a max guy like Conley or Horford solves the minimum issue, but if we can't land anyone worth the max, we might just as well give Ian market value and find a way to lock in GHill

I really hate that they failed to get a new CBA that allowed a percentage of the revenue formula to be taken out of the cap and used to fund minor league contracts. as it is now, the only way to keep your rights to a guy that belongs in the d-league is to count him against your 15. and I think the college game would be better off without the one and dones, but that's another episode.

[Scoot McGroot]

If the choice is to pay out $10m in payments, or take on a $15m contract for multiple years that you don't necessarily want, clearly, you just pay out the $10m.

sure, but the minimum might want you to be happy with a contract for next year that you wouldn't have wanted to take on last year.

There are other options, though.

which would include extensions as the thread title suggests. if you are going to have to pay a player more than his contract, you might want to renegotiate the contract to get something for your money.

I think though that it is safe to say that there will be some free agents signed for more than the veterans minimum. as for roster balance, if we sign Lawson and draft big we'll probably still need a free agent big which could just be Ian. I'm on record though as hoping we'll get a Valentine or a Brogdon so we can pass on Lawson. a max guy like Conley or Horford solves the minimum issue, but if we can't land anyone worth the max, we might just as well give Ian market value and find a way to lock in GHill

I really hate that they failed to get a new CBA that allowed a percentage of the revenue formula to be taken out of the cap and used to fund minor league contracts. as it is now, the only way to keep your rights to a guy that belongs in the d-league is to count him against your 15. and I think the college game would be better off without the one and dones, but that's another episode.

Generally speaking, those players aren't in the NBA Players Union. Who's going to bat for them?

[Wizop]

Generally speaking, those players aren't in the NBA Players Union. Who's going to bat for them?

that's what is strange. usually when you negotiate with a union you have to recognize that their membership has interests but the union brings its own interests to the table. here it would be in the union's interest to represent more players and collect more dues.

[Scoot McGroot]

Generally speaking, those players aren't in the NBA Players Union. Who's going to bat for them?

that's what is strange. usually when you negotiate with a union you have to recognize that their membership has interests but the union brings its own interests to the table. here it would be in the union's interest to represent more players and collect more dues.

The union exists for the players in the NBA. As far as they're concerned, they're arguing for the most money for themselves. Not for guys that want to be like them. It's the same reason the Players Associations in their respective sports do very little for retired players.

[Scoot McGroot]

Jeff Teague will be eligible for extension as of July 17th.

[Wizop]

and they've probably already talked to the agent hypothetically.

[Wizop]

I'm beginning to wish the league had negotiated raises for players under contract. There is just too much money going to too few free agents.

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[basketballwacko2]

The contracts I'm seeing here on the First day are crazy!

[Jake0890]

If Mahinmi wants as much money as Mozgov... I'd rather not have him back. That's ridiculous.

[Wizop]

the Mozgov contract is the new normal for starting centers

[Jake0890]

the Mozgov contract is the new normal for starting centers

I'm not ready to consider Mozgov a starting center, then.

The Al Jeff contract is sweet. Paying Mahinmi, or Mozgov, more than that is crazy.