Portland - 2016 Offseason

[PerkinsFor3]

IF the Kings sign Crabbe,would you be interested to see McLemore come this way? I still believe in his talent, just think Sacramento wasnt the right place/situation for him.

[Beeboywhoo]

IF the Kings sign Crabbe,would you be interested to see McLemore come this way? I still believe in his talent, just think Sacramento wasnt the right place/situation for him.

Sigh im a bigger fan of AC game over McLemore, but that said, if kings overpay for allen.. McLemore isnt a horrible replacement, i think his defense is good.. but he cant really shot

[DeBlazerRiddem]

IF the Kings sign Crabbe,would you be interested to see McLemore come this way? I still believe in his talent, just think Sacramento wasnt the right place/situation for him.

If it's something or nothing sure, but I've never been high on McLemore. I have him in Dion Waiters/Jeremy Lamb territory for a while.

[DusterBuster]

All of those teams suck for sure. But each team has made a bunch of stupid decisions over the last few years. Probably not out the question for one of them to give AC like 18+ or something ...That's a prettttty hefty pay rise lol

They're welcome to him at that price. AC isn't irreplaceable by a long-shot. I'm ready to let him go for 12mil per, let alone 18. For what he brought, Portland can find bargain replacements.

[Oneluckbox]

All of those teams suck for sure. But each team has made a bunch of stupid decisions over the last few years. Probably not out the question for one of them to give AC like 18+ or something ...That's a prettttty hefty pay rise lol

They're welcome to him at that price. AC isn't irreplaceable by a long-shot. I'm ready to let him go for 12mil per, let alone 18. For what he brought, Portland can find bargain replacements.

For sure let him go at that price but it just seems probable that one of those teams gets desperate and overpays massively for him. I like AC and he's still relatively young so if you can get him for around 11m that's a good price. If hes offered 14-15+ you gotta let him go. Would rather have a guy like Bazemore for that price than AC.

[Beeboywhoo]

I may be alone here. But now I'm taking into consideration the massive overpays. 15-18M. Which might sound insane. As Kobe was making just a couple more than that last year. I still think we have to do it. I still value AC as a franchise core. Not a big 2/3/4 type player but someone you need. People saying there are replacements. But where? And at AC age? Lastly , the cap is projected at 92M this year. With another raise over 100M in the next year. In hindsight, that may not look too bad

[DusterBuster]

I may be alone here. But now I'm taking into consideration the massive overpays. 15-18M. Which might sound insane. As Kobe was making just a couple more than that last year. I still think we have to do it. I still value AC as a franchise core. Not a big 2/3/4 type player but someone you need. People saying there are replacements. But where? And at AC age? Lastly , the cap is projected at 92M this year. With another raise over 100M in the next year. In hindsight, that may not look too bad

A core, no way. He's a helpful player, but he doesn't bring anything that can't be easily replaced until Lillard and CJ. Those guys are franchise cores. AC is useful but for a 3 and D guy who's slightly above average at 3 and not particularly great at D, you can find replacements who are equal to that around the league fairly easily. Certainly no need to pay 15-18. And I do understand we're entering a new era for NBA contracts where 6-9mil per is going to become the new MLE average for guys, but 15-18 is still a considerable amount. You're talking two MLE guys for that price. That's two rotational players. Considering Crabbe himself is really just a rotational player, then....

I'm sorry, but you're dreaming if you think Crabbe is worth that much.

For sure let him go at that price but it just seems probable that one of those teams gets desperate and overpays massively for him. I like AC and he's still relatively young so if you can get him for around 11m that's a good price. If hes offered 14-15+ you gotta let him go. Would rather have a guy like Bazemore for that price than AC.

Even 11 is pretty high for my blood, but I'd reluctantly match up to 12mil. I look at it this way, even under this new salary cap, if AC was unrestricted and not restricted, would we be talking about him getting upwards of 13mil? I don't believe so. On an open market where teams aren't concerned about having to outbid a team with matching rights, I think AC is, at max, an MLE level guy. 7 to 8mil per. That's what his talent level says he is and truly all he should be making. However because he's restricted and teams know they need to offer a high amount to scare off the home-team, he's gonna get substantially more and thanks to the salary cap, teams have the ability to offer it. Without that perfect storm, I really don't think we'd be talking about Crabbe being worth anywhere near what we are.

I absolutely agree with you. If the Blazers are looking at 14mil for Crabbe, let him go and use that money on Bazemore. If the money is equal, go for the better player, and that's clearly Bazemore.

[DusterBuster]

IF the Kings sign Crabbe,would you be interested to see McLemore come this way? I still believe in his talent, just think Sacramento wasnt the right place/situation for him.

I don't know much about McLemore's game, but yeah, I'd be fine with that since he's still on his rookie deal. I like Crabbe well enough, but think he's becoming wildly overrated and really not worth the price-tag. I'd be interested in seeing what McLemore could do outside of that toxic Kings lockerroom.

[PerkinsFor3]

IF the Kings sign Crabbe,would you be interested to see McLemore come this way? I still believe in his talent, just think Sacramento wasnt the right place/situation for him.

Sigh im a bigger fan of AC game over McLemore, but that said, if kings overpay for allen.. McLemore isnt a horrible replacement, i think his defense is good.. but he cant really shot

He CAN shoot, that's the thing. I always said his shot is one of the most beautiful ones since RayRay. BUT his confidence is 95% gone. I think if you can get that up, you've got a perfect Crabbe replacemen.

[red_power]

McLemore could be nice but only if he'd come with Harkless-like deal.

[BlazersFan2015]

I posted something similar on the T&T board, but if Saric is not happy about the Philly situation, I would gladly S&T Crabble and the CLE R1 pick for his rights. Maybe also take back Stauskas as our 3rd SG. Then sign Whiteside. Re-sign Henderson and Harkless.

PG - Damian Lillard (34) / CJ McColumn (14)
SG - CJ McColumn (20) / Gerald Henderson (20) / Marcelo Huertas (8)
SF - Al Fariq Aminu (24) / Mo Harkless (24)
PF - Dario Saric (26) / Ed Davis (16) / Al Fariq Aminu (6)
C - Hassan Whiteside (30) / Mason Plumlee (18)

It bumps Vonleh out of the rotation, but who knows he could develop out of nowhere and take up the minutes allocated to Davis or even Plumlee. We could also sign a true backup PG and bounce Huertas from the rotation but IDK, I really dont see the need especially with another ball handler/passer like Saric.

IMO Saric is going to be a guy that can be the #3 to Lillard and CJ's #1 & #2. Really like the kid.

[grigs]

I find it really helpful to look at percentages of the cap instead of raw numbers this year.

So let's say that you think AC is worth about $8M under the old cap, but you're willing to over pay slightly to keep him so you'll would have paid $10M under the old cap.

The old cap was $70M so you're looking at at a range of 11.4% to 14.3% of your cap that you're willing to pay Crabbe.

Under the new $94M cap, that means a range of $10.7M to $13.4M.

I think there is a decent chance that under the old cap that AC's range starts at $10M or higher instead of $8M, but that is beside the point. The main point is that everything will be sticker shock unless you do this sort of math and tie things back to a percentage of the cap.

[Run PDX]

I wonder if Crabbe is going to be a focal point for one of those teams in free agency...
I mean, if Philly or Sacramento meets him tomorrow at 9pm Pacific Standard Time, and they make him an offer sheet, then Portland would have plenty of options - including Kent Bazemore and Brandon Rush.
But, if the offer comes two or three days into free agency, then it might be easier to find a replacement via trade.

[Masterfully]

It goes beyond cap percentages though. The cap jumped 33% in one year, leaving almost every team with a ton of cap space. There is more available money than available talent. Even using your percentage method of thinking things are gonna be crazy.

[red_power]

I wonder if Crabbe is going to be a focal point for one of those teams in free agency...
I mean, if Philly or Sacramento meets him tomorrow at 9pm Pacific Standard Time, and they make him an offer sheet, then Portland would have plenty of options - including Kent Bazemore and Brandon Rush.
But, if the offer comes two or three days into free agency, then it might be easier to find a replacement via trade.

With Whiteside or another high profile FA on board Blazers will match any offer for Crabbe, no matter of cost really.
But otherwise its going to be very very mind breaking decision for the teams head office.

[PDXKnight]

Crabbe isn't getting 18 million imo, 12 million maybe 15 million max but a team sinking 20 percent of its cap total into Allen crabbe seems pretty outlandish to me

[PDXKnight]

It goes beyond cap percentages though. The cap jumped 33% in one year, leaving almost every team with a ton of cap space. There is more available money than available talent. Even using your percentage method of thinking things are gonna be crazy.

Things will indeed get crazy, doesn't mean teams won't be thinking in terms of how much of their cap will be used up on one player. Also the one year jump is probably the biggest we will see in some time, that was bringing the nba salaries up to the new tv deal and the bull stock market is now the second longest on record and the inevitable bear market will probably help keep contracts from going up too exponentially once it hits

[DaVoiceMaster]

I'd like to keep Crabbe with the Blazers, but good with letting him go if the money gets too crazy. The guy disappeared mid season and didn't reappear until the last few games of the playoffs. Had he stayed consistent throughout the season, we might all be talking $18m, but he didn't. It's really too bad NBA teams don't sign incentive based contracts. You shoot this percentage, you get more money. You make this many 3 point shots, 2 point shots, whatever, you get more money. Big guys, you rebound or block this much, you get more money, etc. I know there are a few incentives built in, such as Lillard making the All Star and All NBA teams, but maybe there should be more incentives involved in contracts. Obviously it might be hard to plan for the salary cap if that is the case.

[red_power]

Not sure if you have to carry about money aspect if you're not Paul Allen's financial manager. For me it's all about impact, flexibility and a balance between them.
So if blazers locked with big FA sign it would be stupid to let Crabbe go. He's still useful player despite all his limitations. But if the offseason will go as usually.. Yes, cashing out backcourt role player not the wisest idea in that case.

[Wizenheimer]

I wouldn't go north of 10 million/year for Crabbe

he just doesn't do enough to warrant a big, long term deal. He was 13th on the Blazers in rebound rate and 12th in assist rate. But maybe the most critical thing is he sucks on defense. Making him the long-term 1st guard off the bench, which a big contract would likely force, would mean the Blazers had Lillard/CJ/Crabbe as their primary guard rotation and that rotation would almost certainly be the worst perimeter defensive trio in the league. I simply can't forget that in the Golden State series, the Blazers tried to guard Klay Thompson with CJ and Crabbe in game 1. The result was Klay had 37 points and 5 assists. After game 1, the Blazers went to Harkless to defend Klay and tried to hide CJ & Crabbe defensively on other, less dynamic scorers. Besides all that Crabbe has to commit some of the dumbest fouls this side of Greg Oden

personally, with a very probable long term starting back court of Dame/CJ, I think the Blazers need a 3rd guard who is a strong defender and decent playmaker...Crabbe has neither skill and he's already 24 having played 6 years of college and NBA ball