Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max II

[DayofMourning]

situation isnt as bad as some think, my real wish is get whiteside for number one draft picks. sign and trade, get us 3 first round draft picks ( 2017, 2019, 2021).I dont think whiteside is the player that would make a team instant contender , those draft picks could end up top 5 picks in the future

I'm having a hard time seeing that deal happen. Essentially shipping Whiteside off to a team for something that valuable would be a runaway deal for the HEAT, because it likely leaves them with enough cap space to sign a replacement center (Dwight/Horford?) while also resurrecting their future. I can't, for the life of me, see Whiteside going ANYWHERE for that value. You MAYBE make that deal for someone like a Shaq or LeBron. You certainly don't do that for Hassan Whiteside.

You don't think a team like Boston would make that trade considering their need? Hassan is in the conversation for best center in the league. I'm not saying we would or should but three first round picks could mean a variety of things and isn't outlandish for a premium player.

[UD4MVP]

situation isnt as bad as some think, my real wish is get whiteside for number one draft picks. sign and trade, get us 3 first round draft picks ( 2017, 2019, 2021).I dont think whiteside is the player that would make a team instant contender , those draft picks could end up top 5 picks in the future

I'm having a hard time seeing that deal happen. Essentially shipping Whiteside off to a team for something that valuable would be a runaway deal for the HEAT, because it likely leaves them with enough cap space to sign a replacement center (Dwight/Horford?) while also resurrecting their future. I can't, for the life of me, see Whiteside going ANYWHERE for that value. You MAYBE make that deal for someone like a Shaq or LeBron. You certainly don't do that for Hassan Whiteside.

You don't think a team like Boston would make that trade considering their need? Hassan is in the conversation for best center in the league. I'm not saying we would or should but three first round picks could mean a variety of things and isn't outlandish for a premium player.

Why sign and trade when they have the ability to sign him straight up

[DayofMourning]

I'm having a hard time seeing that deal happen. Essentially shipping Whiteside off to a team for something that valuable would be a runaway deal for the HEAT, because it likely leaves them with enough cap space to sign a replacement center (Dwight/Horford?) while also resurrecting their future. I can't, for the life of me, see Whiteside going ANYWHERE for that value. You MAYBE make that deal for someone like a Shaq or LeBron. You certainly don't do that for Hassan Whiteside.

You don't think a team like Boston would make that trade considering their need? Hassan is in the conversation for best center in the league. I'm not saying we would or should but three first round picks could mean a variety of things and isn't outlandish for a premium player.

Why sign and trade when they have the ability to sign him straight up

No, we sign Hassan, it doesn't work out, we trade him.

[PizzaLord305]

Even if he ends up leaving, i hope he has a successful career. it would suck to see this guy collapse mentally and turn into an even bigger bonehead who chases stats. hes come too far for that crap

[UD4MVP]

Even if he ends up leaving, i hope he has a successful career. it would suck to see this guy collapse mentally and turn into an even bigger bonehead who chases stats. hes come too far for that crap

I agree, I hope he's able to detect the BS spewed at him in some of these meetings. Some of these non playoff teams will say anything to get him, and those teams could be dysfunctional as hell when he gets there. He's not a perfect player but he's a nice guy. I don't wanna see him flame out in a dysfunctional situation.

[KingDavid]

Ill tell you this Riley will offer the max to Whiteside. If he doesn't sign it's on Whiteside. Riley does not let bugs go easy and we have a young one instead of a declining one. Riley is going to pitch taking care if him for the rest of his life and will use Haslam as an example of Riley taking care of you at the end of your career. That might mean enough for Whiteside to stay.

UD is actually a horrible example. UD has sacrificed at least 15 million in the span of his tenure here to stay here. That's not taking care of a player. Zo might be a better example but even Zo left for more money and what he felt was a better opportunity.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

I'm just saying...

[PizzaLord305]

Ill tell you this Riley will offer the max to Whiteside. If he doesn't sign it's on Whiteside. Riley does not let bugs go easy and we have a young one instead of a declining one. Riley is going to pitch taking care if him for the rest of his life and will use Haslam as an example of Riley taking care of you at the end of your career. That might mean enough for Whiteside to stay.

UD is actually a horrible example. UD has sacrificed at least 15 million in the span of his tenure here to stay here. That's not taking care of a player. Zo might be a better example but even Zo left for more money and what he felt was a better opportunity.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

I'm just saying...

Yeah, if guaranteeing a spot for you on a good playoff team even when you're washed like charmin, trusting you to deliver in playoff games, allowing you to be a main voice and someone who everyone unquestionably respects in the organization, giving you the opportunity to taste competitive ecstasy three times, retiring your number when ur done, and always treating you and your loved ones with respect isn't taking care of a player, idk what is lol. Ud has had it good.

[Flash4thewin]

Ill tell you this Riley will offer the max to Whiteside. If he doesn't sign it's on Whiteside. Riley does not let bugs go easy and we have a young one instead of a declining one. Riley is going to pitch taking care if him for the rest of his life and will use Haslam as an example of Riley taking care of you at the end of your career. That might mean enough for Whiteside to stay.

UD is actually a horrible example. UD has sacrificed at least 15 million in the span of his tenure here to stay here. That's not taking care of a player. Zo might be a better example but even Zo left for more money and what he felt was a better opportunity.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

I'm just saying...

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-mavericks/mavericksheadlines/2010/07/12/Udonis-Haslem-turns-down-bigger-offer-5228

Haslem signed a five-year deal Monday worth around $20 million, more than $10 million less than he could have gotten had he accepted offers from the Dallas Mavericks and Denver Nuggets.

"I would be changing my DNA if I left just for money," Haslem said

Just on that deal alone UD gave up over 10 mil, UD could have made more else where but he is the one that sacrificed to stay here.

[RJM]

He's likely gone. It's no secret the HEAT are going after KD, and Whiteside wants a fat paycheck. He fits in nicely with that young Lakers core out there, and he'll have a fresh new coaching staff with Luke Walton to work with. And then there's the prospect of being a highly-paid starting center for the Los Angeles Lakers...in LOS ANGELES. Money isn't an option for them. Whiteside was practically bagging groceries three years ago. Now he's on the verge of $100 million.

Why the hell would Whiteside go to a high tax state to play with a bunch of kids in an offense that all but ignores the C on the 2nd best team in its own city? That makes no sense. If Whiteside plays in California next season, it will be with the Warriors ... and they'll never have to worry about Kyrie Irving again.

Because a) we don't know what Luke Walton's offense will look like yet, b) marketing and endorsement opportunities will explode in Los Angeles as a franchise-type center, and...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-EcnQtVWzs[/youtube]

c) Kyrie Irving's series-winning shot vs. Golden State in Game 7 was a three-point shot, so Whiteside's presence doesn't exactly negate Irving's.

[contract]

Spoiler:

He's likely gone. It's no secret the HEAT are going after KD, and Whiteside wants a fat paycheck. He fits in nicely with that young Lakers core out there, and he'll have a fresh new coaching staff with Luke Walton to work with. And then there's the prospect of being a highly-paid starting center for the Los Angeles Lakers...in LOS ANGELES. Money isn't an option for them. Whiteside was practically bagging groceries three years ago. Now he's on the verge of $100 million.

Why the hell would Whiteside go to a high tax state to play with a bunch of kids in an offense that all but ignores the C on the 2nd best team in its own city? That makes no sense. If Whiteside plays in California next season, it will be with the Warriors ... and they'll never have to worry about Kyrie Irving again.

Because a) we don't know what Luke Walton's offense will look like yet, b) marketing and endorsement opportunities will explode in Los Angeles as a franchise-type center, and...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-EcnQtVWzs[/youtube]

c) Kyrie Irving's series-winning shot vs. Golden State in Game 7 was a three-point shot, so Whiteside's presence doesn't exactly negate Irving's.

Unless the NBA is starting the Finals in game 7 with :59 left in the game from now on, I'm not sure where you're going with that. Irving hit 15 three pointers all series. Whiteside means never having to worry about Irving blowing by Curry again.

btw that marketing and endorsing thing is way overrated. Wade earns more off the court than either Melo or Chris Paul, and James Harden earns as much as both of them combined.

[Flash4thewin]

Spoiler:

Why the hell would Whiteside go to a high tax state to play with a bunch of kids in an offense that all but ignores the C on the 2nd best team in its own city? That makes no sense. If Whiteside plays in California next season, it will be with the Warriors ... and they'll never have to worry about Kyrie Irving again.

Because a) we don't know what Luke Walton's offense will look like yet, b) marketing and endorsement opportunities will explode in Los Angeles as a franchise-type center, and...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-EcnQtVWzs[/youtube]

c) Kyrie Irving's series-winning shot vs. Golden State in Game 7 was a three-point shot, so Whiteside's presence doesn't exactly negate Irving's.

Unless the NBA is starting the Finals in game 7 with :59 left in the game from now on, I'm not sure where you're going with that. Irving hit 15 three pointers all series. Whiteside means never having to worry about Irving blowing by Curry again.

btw that marketing and endorsing thing is way overrated. Wade earns more off the court than either Melo or Chris Paul, and James Harden earns as much as both of them combined.

They are all star players, the corner stones of there respective franchise. In the playoffs Whiteside was a 4th option after Wade,Dragic,Deng,JJ. No way a 4th option gets any endorsements.

If fame and marketing is part of his goal realistically it wont be here but in another team sadly.

[dancing2thabeet]

He can build up his fame and reputation on defense and rebounding. The minute some franchise hands him over the keys and make him first option on offense they're out of contention. Simple as that.

[QUIZ]

^Pretty much. Like Lebatard said earlier this year, the Heat baby Hassan unlike any other player in the league.

There was a reason he bounced out of the NBA.

Now I'm not trying to say that he'd be absolutely nothing without us... Because after all at the end of the day players play.

At the same time though I'm not going to fall to my knees and beg him to stay.

We saw it all from Hassan. The good, shot blocking triple doubles.

The bad, getting wrecked in the post 1v1.

And the ugly, Elbowing Boban in the face.


After that one most wanted him gone. It's the offseason though so it's easy to forget the low moments but they were real and they were bad.

We'll see how to all pans out.

The Heat don't leak anything so all we hear is the narratives that the agents try to spin. So far it's all been pretty much a typical Heat offseason.

[RexBoyWonder]

The Haslem compression is really out of place.

UD is a classic overachiever - he fulfilled 150% of his talent and tools due to his strong mind and high character, professionalism.

Hassan was a classic underachiever - he had all the natural talent and physical tools any player can dream of having, but he's 27 YO and we're still hoping he learns to really maximize it. He was close to never reaching any NBA career if we didn't give him an opportunity at age 25. His mind is his biggest weakness in terms of reaching the highest levels.

Ironically - Hassan needs a strong organization around him much more then UD did. UD could have flourished even in Sacramento - he's strong minded, self driven and savvy all around. If Hassan goes in the wrong situation, it could get extremely toxic very fast.

Hopefully he understand his own needs, but it's his choice. I think he's smart enough to realize there's no greener pastures out there - he's got a really great situation here in all regards.

[dolphinatik]

would you want Andre Drummond or Hassan?

Media has Drummond as the more desireable prospect. Its easy for us to hate on Hassan and try to down play his value but if he were on another team we would be begging for a chance to sign him. Id take Hassan over Drummond. Hassan has his problems but he is a max player and you dont let those kinda guys walk away especially when we so void at that position for so long. We started out with a bigtime center Seikley, have always had centers; the Heat are a team that likes to have a good center. Even if he doesnt get a lick better he is still worth it imo.

[KingDavid]

would you want Andre Drummond or Hassan?

Media has Drummond as the more desireable prospect. Its easy for us to hate on Hassan and try to down play his value but if he were on another team we would be begging for a chance to sign him. Id take Hassan over Drummond. Hassan has his problems but he is a max player and you dont let those kinda guys walk away especially when we so void at that position for so long. We started out with a bigtime center Seikley, have always had centers; the Heat are a team that likes to have a good center. Even if he doesnt get a lick better he is still worth it imo.

Both of them are space killers. I like Hassan because of his story and that we're the team that pulled him back in.

I'd love for him to stay, but idc. As long as we get someone worthwhile in the middle.

[Durrrtysouth]

Bleacher Report is reporting that his choice is down to Mavs and Heat for Hassan.

[Cmon_Son-_-]

would you want Andre Drummond or Hassan?

Media has Drummond as the more desireable prospect. Its easy for us to hate on Hassan and try to down play his value but if he were on another team we would be begging for a chance to sign him. Id take Hassan over Drummond. Hassan has his problems but he is a max player and you dont let those kinda guys walk away especially when we so void at that position for so long. We started out with a bigtime center Seikley, have always had centers; the Heat are a team that likes to have a good center. Even if he doesnt get a lick better he is still worth it imo.

Drummond is only 22 tho.

[QUIZ]

would you want Andre Drummond or Hassan?

Media has Drummond as the more desireable prospect. Its easy for us to hate on Hassan and try to down play his value but if he were on another team we would be begging for a chance to sign him. Id take Hassan over Drummond. Hassan has his problems but he is a max player and you dont let those kinda guys walk away especially when we so void at that position for so long. We started out with a bigtime center Seikley, have always had centers; the Heat are a team that likes to have a good center. Even if he doesnt get a lick better he is still worth it imo.

Drummond is only 22 tho.

He's also literally the worst ft shooter of all time. He'll probably always be the worst ft shooter of all time.

[Bishop45]

Close to lock up for thread