2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Seeing the free agent landscape and hearing guys like Solomon Hill expecting $9 mil per a year or Ryan Anderson wanting $17 mil per... here's my ideal situation for how it plays out for the Wizards.

1. Backup C - Cole Aldrich - 4 yrs - $30 mil with a starting salary at $6.0 mil
2. Backup PF - Amir Johnson (if Boston waives him) or Loul Deng - 3 years - $36 mil with a starting salary at $10.0 mil
3. Backup G/F - Tomas Satoransky - 4 yrs - $30 mil with a starting salary of $6.0 mil
4. Backup PG - Seth Curry - 4 yrs - $40 mil with a starting salary of $8.0 mil (since he's an RFA I'd offer more to try to scare off the Kings)
5. Backup SG - Garrett Temple - I would not renounce his cap hold. - 3yrs - $15 mil with starting salary of $5.0 mil
6. Backup G/F - Alan Anderson - I would re-sign him using our cap exception - 2 yrs - $7 mil

I would fill out the 3rd string PF & C spots with minimum salaried players and leave the 15th spot open.

CE Marcin Gortat ... Cole Aldrich ... MinimumFA
PF Markieff Morris ... Amir Johnson/Loul Deng ... MinimumFA
SF Otto Porter Jr ... Kelly Oubre Jr ... Alan Anderson
SG Bradley Beal ... Tomas Satoransky ... Garrett Temple
PG John Wall ... Seth Curry

Outside of Gortat & our backup PF spot, our rotation guys are all 27 and younger. Anderson & Temple are insurance depth on the perimeter (In case of Beal injury or Oubre not being ready). Curry, Sato & Temple are all capable of playing backup point role so no need for a 3rd string PG.

I love it. Plan "b" for "bunch of overpaid scrubs." But atleast they're young.

[AFM]

I think we should just embrace being the clown amateurs of the NBA.
Sign Riff Raff as shooting guard
Kevin Hart as PG
The Game as SF (dude can actually ball lmao)
Louis CK as PF
Donald Trump as C, he can build a wall around the paint

[Dat2U]

Seeing the free agent landscape and hearing guys like Solomon Hill expecting $9 mil per a year or Ryan Anderson wanting $17 mil per... here's my ideal situation for how it plays out for the Wizards.

1. Backup C - Cole Aldrich - 4 yrs - $30 mil with a starting salary at $6.0 mil
2. Backup PF - Amir Johnson (if Boston waives him) or Loul Deng - 3 years - $36 mil with a starting salary at $10.0 mil
3. Backup G/F - Tomas Satoransky - 4 yrs - $30 mil with a starting salary of $6.0 mil
4. Backup PG - Seth Curry - 4 yrs - $40 mil with a starting salary of $8.0 mil (since he's an RFA I'd offer more to try to scare off the Kings)
5. Backup SG - Garrett Temple - I would not renounce his cap hold. - 3yrs - $15 mil with starting salary of $5.0 mil
6. Backup G/F - Alan Anderson - I would re-sign him using our cap exception - 2 yrs - $7 mil

I would fill out the 3rd string PF & C spots with minimum salaried players and leave the 15th spot open.

CE Marcin Gortat ... Cole Aldrich ... MinimumFA
PF Markieff Morris ... Amir Johnson/Loul Deng ... MinimumFA
SF Otto Porter Jr ... Kelly Oubre Jr ... Alan Anderson
SG Bradley Beal ... Tomas Satoransky ... Garrett Temple
PG John Wall ... Seth Curry

Outside of Gortat & our backup PF spot, our rotation guys are all 27 and younger. Anderson & Temple are insurance depth on the perimeter (In case of Beal injury or Oubre not being ready). Curry, Sato & Temple are all capable of playing backup point role so no need for a 3rd string PG.

What about Aaron White?

Meh, I don't see White as an NBA player. Lets see how he does in Vegas but I think he's a career overseas guy.

[montestewart]

I think we should just embrace being the clown amateurs of the NBA.
Sign Riff Raff as shooting guard
Kevin Hart as PG
The Game as SF (dude can actually ball lmao)
Louis CK as PF
Donald Trump as C, he can build a wall around the paint

David Duchovny can ball, saw him score 20 in a pro-am game. So can Nils Lofgren, who once on the Howard Stern (TV) show stomped Stern 1 on 1 (even after Stern trained with the Globetrotters)? Plus he wrote and sang Bullets Fever. Sign him now!

Bullets Fever! Happens to me every year
Bullets Fever. And this year’s the one
Bullets Fever. Got the Doctor and the Iceman
Bullets Fever. Seattle was stunned
You’ve gotta be a fan from old DC
To know what the Bullets mean to me
To see them get up and go all the way
For me Bullets Fever is here to stay
Bullets Fever! Happens to me every year
Bullets Fever. And this year’s the one
Bullets Fever. Got the Doctor and the Iceman
Bullets Fever. Seattle was stunned
C.J. and Larry, Greg, Joe and Mitch
Ran the Bomb Squad into a ditch
C.J. Tom and Larry are fast as light
Kevin, Bobby and Elvin they shoot out of sight
Aint it beautiful how Bobby D
Plays so great with the Big E!
At Abe's zoo we blew the Sonics out
Now all the world knows what our team’s about
Bullets Fever! Happens to me every year
Bullets Fever. And this year’s the one
Bullets Fever. Got the Doctor and the Iceman
Bullets Fever. Seattle was stunned
With all his heart Wes fought the west
Now every Bullet wears a champion’s ring
They’ve got our town screaming and stompin’
They turn it into a family thing
Come on coach Motta
King of basketball chess
Come on now fans support them every test
Bullets Fever! Happens to me every year
Bullets Fever. And this year’s the one
Bullets Fever. Beat the best in the world
Bullets Fever. Now we’re number one!
Bullets Fever. Come on Bobby D
Bullets Fever. Put in a swish for me
Bullets Fever. Let’s see that turnaround, Mr. Hayes
Bullets Fever. See your play is amazing
Bullets Fever. Hey Dick and Bernie, we’re pulling for you
Bullets Fever. Dreams come true
Number one, number one…

[dorianwrite]

Who among the Wizards from last season, not currently under contract, would folks consider possibilities to return? Or who would you ideally like to have return?

Ramon Sessions if he doesn't get the deal he wants from someone else?
Nene on a much, much cheaper contract?
J.J. Hickson for 12th-man forward depth with a nasty streak?

This is an interesting question -- should have its own thread. Dorian, you could start it. I hope you do.

Someone on this board encouraging a separate thread for a topic? That's such a rarity that now I have to do it. Okay, PIF, I'll get on it.

[fishercob]

I think we should just embrace being the clown amateurs of the NBA.
Sign Riff Raff as shooting guard
Kevin Hart as PG
The Game as SF (dude can actually ball lmao)
Louis CK as PF
Donald Trump as C, he can build a wall around the paint

David Duchovny can ball, saw him score 20 in a pro-am game. So can Nils Lofgren, who once on the Howard Stern (TV) show stomped Stern 1 on 1 (even after Stern trained with the Globetrotters)? Plus he wrote and sang Bullets Fever. Sign him now!

Bullets Fever! Happens to me every year
Bullets Fever. And this year’s the one
Bullets Fever. Got the Doctor and the Iceman
Bullets Fever. Seattle was stunned
You’ve gotta be a fan from old DC
To know what the Bullets mean to me
To see them get up and go all the way
For me Bullets Fever is here to stay
Bullets Fever! Happens to me every year
Bullets Fever. And this year’s the one
Bullets Fever. Got the Doctor and the Iceman
Bullets Fever. Seattle was stunned
C.J. and Larry, Greg, Joe and Mitch
Ran the Bomb Squad into a ditch
C.J. Tom and Larry are fast as light
Kevin, Bobby and Elvin they shoot out of sight
Aint it beautiful how Bobby D
Plays so great with the Big E!
At Abe's zoo we blew the Sonics out
Now all the world knows what our team’s about
Bullets Fever! Happens to me every year
Bullets Fever. And this year’s the one
Bullets Fever. Got the Doctor and the Iceman
Bullets Fever. Seattle was stunned
With all his heart Wes fought the west
Now every Bullet wears a champion’s ring
They’ve got our town screaming and stompin’
They turn it into a family thing
Come on coach Motta
King of basketball chess
Come on now fans support them every test
Bullets Fever! Happens to me every year
Bullets Fever. And this year’s the one
Bullets Fever. Beat the best in the world
Bullets Fever. Now we’re number one!
Bullets Fever. Come on Bobby D
Bullets Fever. Put in a swish for me
Bullets Fever. Let’s see that turnaround, Mr. Hayes
Bullets Fever. See your play is amazing
Bullets Fever. Hey Dick and Bernie, we’re pulling for you
Bullets Fever. Dreams come true
Number one, number one…

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dQ7GZFHgBI[/youtube]

[AFM]

Can we please sign this guy lmao

[fishercob]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/748164124710830081[/tweet]

Based on what I know today, I have little interest in Batum at the max. Anderson scares me at his likely price tag, but I could see him helping. The back end of Horford's deal would be scary, but he's a terrific player and would help the Wizards immensely; he'd probably their best player right away. I would be extremely excited for the short term if we added Horford.

[80sballboy]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/748164124710830081[/tweet]

Based on what I know today, I have little interest in Batum at the max. Anderson scares me at his likely price tag, but I could see him helping. The back end of Horford's deal would be scary, but he's a terrific player and would help the Wizards immensely; he'd probably their best player right away. I would be extremely excited for the short term if we added Horford.

They have little chance at Batum and Horford. I think it's more PR and window dressing that they are attempting to go for the top FA's after Durant. Sure, Batum is not a max guy, but neither is Beal. That's today's free agency. I think you can get him for a little less than the max, but he's going to have so many suitors other than Charlotte (like GS) and better options than us. Horford would be the best fit of anybody, which means we have no shot. I guess we'll see if the Scott Brooks' hiring has any effect on our FA options.

[Rafael122]

This is what scares me, we have enough for 1 max guy, so as soon as we sign him, that's it. We're done, we have just enough to sign another guy or split $7 million between 2 or 3 guys, plus the room exception.

[montestewart]

This is what scares me, we have enough for 1 max guy, so as soon as we sign him, that's it. We're done, we have just enough to sign another guy or split $7 million between 2 or 3 guys, plus the room exception.

Go Wiz takes on a whole new meaning, eh?

[payitforward]

Since 4 of our 6 players under contract are "our young players," and 3 of them are starters, and "continued development" just means they keep getting better, what you are saying amounts to this: if our young players get better our starting 5 is good enough to get to the ECF.

Now, how much better do they have to get, I wonder? Hmmm, let me think.... Ah, I've got it: our young players have to get enough better that they're good enough to take us the ECF (along w/ Gortat and Morris). Hard to disagree with that.

Then again... what happens if other teams' young players also get better? And if they have young players out of the draft who are good and then better? And they sign good FAs? Whoa! I guess our young players will have to accelerate that "continue to develop" thing, huh?

On a more useful front, I agree with you that Evan Turner would be a good FA signing -- depending on how much we have to pay him of course. Ryan Anderson not so much IMO (he'll be way expensive, and he's gone down hill).

Welcome to the Board, Wizman -- don't take my mockery seriously, ok? I do it to everyone, and they do it back to me too, so feel free!

True other teams have young talent, but John Wall isn't far off from being a top 3 pg in the game. Brad Beal is still young with a lot of potential, and Otto shows all the signs of becoming a good all around player. Morris is a solid player, and Gortat is underrated. The east is wide open outside of Cleveland. A productive bench will put us right back in the mix for being a top team in the east imo.
Thanks for the welcome, I've been reading this board for over 10 years.

Well then it's about time you started posting!!

A productive bench would be a big plus, of course. Especially if it could be based around young players -- guys who could surprise you in a positive direction, rather than known quantity vets in the last years of their careers.

[Dark Faze]

i mean you go with horford if you have to choose but jfc talk about zero imagination

like...are you looking to actually do something or are you just content with getting in the playoffs? come the eff on

[payitforward]

Seeing the free agent landscape and hearing guys like Solomon Hill expecting $9 mil per a year or Ryan Anderson wanting $17 mil per... here's my ideal situation for how it plays out for the Wizards.

1. Backup C - Cole Aldrich - 4 yrs - $30 mil with a starting salary at $6.0 mil
2. Backup PF - Amir Johnson (if Boston waives him) or Loul Deng - 3 years - $36 mil with a starting salary at $10.0 mil
3. Backup G/F - Tomas Satoransky - 4 yrs - $30 mil with a starting salary of $6.0 mil
4. Backup PG - Seth Curry - 4 yrs - $40 mil with a starting salary of $8.0 mil (since he's an RFA I'd offer more to try to scare off the Kings)
5. Backup SG - Garrett Temple - I would not renounce his cap hold. - 3yrs - $15 mil with starting salary of $5.0 mil
6. Backup G/F - Alan Anderson - I would re-sign him using our cap exception - 2 yrs - $7 mil

I would fill out the 3rd string PF & C spots with minimum salaried players and leave the 15th spot open.

CE Marcin Gortat ... Cole Aldrich ... MinimumFA
PF Markieff Morris ... Amir Johnson/Loul Deng ... MinimumFA
SF Otto Porter Jr ... Kelly Oubre Jr ... Alan Anderson
SG Bradley Beal ... Tomas Satoransky ... Garrett Temple
PG John Wall ... Seth Curry

Outside of Gortat & our backup PF spot, our rotation guys are all 27 and younger. Anderson & Temple are insurance depth on the perimeter (In case of Beal injury or Oubre not being ready). Curry, Sato & Temple are all capable of playing backup point role so no need for a 3rd string PG.

Bold, dat! I like sewing up Aldrich all the way through his prime.
Love Johnson (Deng not so much), but if he made $12m last year he might cost more than you are hoping for.
Seth Curry -- you must really believe in him to want to commit $40m in his direction. I'm with you. Ditto keeping Temple.

Rather than Anderson, I'm kinda hoping McClellan makes the team. A tremendous shooter, gets to the line, does a little bit of everything else -- and doesn't turn the ball over or foul a lot. He'd be old for a rookie, so I think you'd know pretty quickly what kind of player he can be. His agent told teams not to draft-to-stash him in R2, btw; he had a number of offers in that direction. He wants to play in the league, and I won't be surprised if he makes it.

My choice for a MinimumFA big would be J.J. Hickson. If he can be had cheaply he'd be a bargain. Still only 27 and has had some quite good years in the league. (In fact he was very productive for us -- in a ridiculously small sample of 130 minutes of course)

[80sballboy]

Interesting look at Horford's defense. Not a surprise.
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/122774430/al-horford-defensive-monster-underrated-atlanta-hawks-washington-wizards

[fishercob]

This is what scares me, we have enough for 1 max guy, so as soon as we sign him, that's it. We're done, we have just enough to sign another guy or split $7 million between 2 or 3 guys, plus the room exception.

This is less of concern to me if they actually snare Horford instead of Batum, but I completely agree with your overarching point. There's a huge difference between having 30-some million bucks in cap space having three open roster spots versus that same amount of cap space and nine open roster spots. Combine that with the fact that TONS of team have cap space and this FA class isn't all that strong, and what you see is that it's a pretty crappy time to be in the market buying free agents!

PS: This was obvious last summer. The Wizards should have been aggressive. Instead they sat on their hands will they hoped foolishly for Kevin Durant. Now he won't even listen to them!

[tontoz]

Interesting look at Horford's defense. Not a surprise.
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/122774430/al-horford-defensive-monster-underrated-atlanta-hawks-washington-wizards

He has always been a strong team defender. Sometimes he would struggle with man D at the center spot against big centers.

One thing used to really annoy me about him. He was so reluctant to take it to the basket on offense. On a pick and roll he would take one or two steps forward and then stop. The guards would lead him with the pass and wind up with a turnover because he stopped.

He handles the ball pretty well and has good speed but for some reason doesn't like to drive against bigger centers. But he will awkwardly try to back them down and put up an ugly jump hook. don't know if he is still doing that but his back to the basket game was weak.

[fishercob]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESefko/status/748191084233142272[/tweet]

Always trust the betting market more than the rumor mill.

I'd love to have Parsons on the contract he had in Houston. At his max? Not so much.

The injuries are a big concern. That said, after he shook off the rust last year, he was pretty damned good until he got hurt again. Post New Years, he shot 44% from 3 and a TS% of .618.

[stevemcqueen1]

Batum is not a significant enough upgrade over Porter to justify the difference in age and salary. I can't get behind signing him. I'd rather pursue PFs and just sign a cheap veteran SF to be Porter's back up.

http://bkref.com/tiny/T68kp

[80sballboy]

Batum is not a significant enough upgrade over Porter to justify the difference in age and salary. I can't get behind signing him. I'd rather pursue PFs and just sign a cheap veteran SF to be Porter's back up.

http://bkref.com/tiny/T68kp

I'm in the minority on Batum, but defense and passing? There's no comparison. He just makes teams better. I don't like Porter as my starting small forward and I think it puts too much pressure on Wall to create for everybody. Mabye Otto starts juicing and puts on 20 pounds or Oubre decides he doesn't want to be Nick Young Jr. I'm assuming will get Anderson and live with the lack of defense.