Mock Off-Season: Day 1

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Post#181 » by The Beam King » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:15 pm

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You make the first offer. No untouchables on my roster.

For Stein or cousins?

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Cousins. I'm not willing to overpay for Cauley-Stein when I can sign Biyombo into cap space.
Only interested in Cauley-Stein as part of a larger deal.

I don't see the heat as having adequate assets to pry cousins loose. Id say maybe 4-5 teams have the type of package it'd take for me to consider moving cousins. I really like the kings core still. I think with joerger and the right free agent(s) and maybe a small trade or two and I think the kings will make a big leap this year. Not looking to blow it up unless I get a godfather of an offer

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Re: Mock Off-Season: Day 1 

Post#182 » by aramada » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:17 pm

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Gilles wrote:Washington Wizards here:



Wiz, Philly is interested in something centered around Noel for Porter and Gortat if you can find a third team to offer interesting assets for Gortat.
That's an interesting proposition, but it opens a hole at SF, and with heavy competition for Dudley, Wizards might end up with only unproven sophomore at that position, so the interest depends on finding decent forward in FA or trade market. Value is there. Plus Noel will have cap hold of only $10m next summer, which facilitates Wizards being players on next year's FA market.
Wizards have some interest in the deal, but will need to make couple of steps first, including still finding new home for Gortat.


Bulls offer Taj, Dunleavy, McDermott for Gortat and Porter
Clears you space for 2017 and beyond. You get multiple options at SF and an alternative to Morris at PF (+McD can log minutes there).
Center FA market is more favorable than SF at this point. You can even re-sign Nene
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Mock Off-Season: Day 1 

Post#183 » by R-DAWG » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:18 pm

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BOOGIE-MONSTER wrote:There's simply non deal then. Unless you're willingbto move a vastly superior player I'm nitbwilling to part with Stein. He's simply too important and too good a fit to give up for a marginal upgrade at point guard from Darren collision who I'm fine starting at point next season going forward.

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Well, if you believe Dragic is a "marginal upgrade" from Collision were not on the same page. Go watch what Dragic did in the playoffs, how he single handly won Miami game 7 against Charlotte and game 6 against Toronto. Cauley-Stein isn't Towns.

I like dragic a lot. Don't misunderstand me. Id love it target him. I'm just not going to part with Stein to do so. I think you're undervaluing how good collision is as an all around PG. I'm completely content having him as the starting PG. Now give me an offer without Stein, and dragic interests me. But with Stein I'm simply not interest, it has nothing to do with dragic, and everything to do with the fit that cauley Stein is with cousins and the rest of the team. He was such a great pick for our needs on the court, off the court and the direction we're trying to go.

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Without Stein you have nothing that interests me enough to move Dragic unless he's part of a larger Boogie Cousins deal. Collision is a downgrade in terms of ability and contract (short term vs long term), McLemore is a buy low candidate, and I don't love any of your picks this year. You also don't have any future picks. Stein is really your only quality asset besides Boogie.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mock Off-Season: Day 1 

Post#184 » by The Beam King » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:22 pm

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Well, if you believe Dragic is a "marginal upgrade" from Collision were not on the same page. Go watch what Dragic did in the playoffs, how he single handly won Miami game 7 against Charlotte and game 6 against Toronto. Cauley-Stein isn't Towns.

I like dragic a lot. Don't misunderstand me. Id love it target him. I'm just not going to part with Stein to do so. I think you're undervaluing how good collision is as an all around PG. I'm completely content having him as the starting PG. Now give me an offer without Stein, and dragic interests me. But with Stein I'm simply not interest, it has nothing to do with dragic, and everything to do with the fit that cauley Stein is with cousins and the rest of the team. He was such a great pick for our needs on the court, off the court and the direction we're trying to go.

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Without Stein you have nothing that interests me enough to move Dragic unless he's part of a larger Boogie Cousins deal. Collision is a downgrade in terms of ability and contract (short term vs long term), McLemore is a buy low candidate, and I don't love any of your picks this year. You also don't have any future picks. Stein is really your only quality asset besides Boogie.

I get it. That's fine dragic doesn't excite me enough for a deal then. Its okay. Ill have an easier time finding someone to fill minutes for dragic than I will for dilling minutes allotted for Stein.

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Re: Mock Off-Season: Day 1 

Post#185 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:23 pm

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bondom34 wrote:I'd pass on that one.


How about if I throw Archie Goodwin in?

No thanks, OKC needs someone who can back up Durant and play some small ball 4.


OK, I'll accept the original offer of Tucker and Chandler for Kanter, since the other owner I had a pending offer with is MIA.
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Day 1 

Post#186 » by Gilles » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:23 pm

pelifan wrote:Pelicans Free Agent DAY 1 feelers
Jared Dudley: Interested to see if we could get Dudley to stay available past day 1 of free agency with a potential 4 year contract in the 30-35 million million range, and the potential of a starting sf spot.
Sorry to repeat, but are Pelicans going into next season with Asik and Ajinca at C, or are you considering Davis as logging a lot of minutes there?
Cause Wizards offered to explore Gortat for Ajinca swap.

Washington Wizards would like to remind Lance Thomas' agent, that his client's cap hold was just renounced by Knicks, and vet min was offered, multiple years vet min btw. :roll: Having said that, Wizards are looking to offer your client 4-year contract, starting at $6m, 4.5% raises or $25.6m over 4 years with TO for 4th year. You would replace Jared Dudley and take a lot of bench minutes at both forward spots.
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Day 1 

Post#187 » by The Beam King » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:24 pm

Kings would like to offer a veteran minimum deal of 2 years with a player option to DJ Augustin

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Post#188 » by R-DAWG » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:28 pm

BOOGIE-MONSTER wrote:
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BOOGIE-MONSTER wrote:I like dragic a lot. Don't misunderstand me. Id love it target him. I'm just not going to part with Stein to do so. I think you're undervaluing how good collision is as an all around PG. I'm completely content having him as the starting PG. Now give me an offer without Stein, and dragic interests me. But with Stein I'm simply not interest, it has nothing to do with dragic, and everything to do with the fit that cauley Stein is with cousins and the rest of the team. He was such a great pick for our needs on the court, off the court and the direction we're trying to go.

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Without Stein you have nothing that interests me enough to move Dragic unless he's part of a larger Boogie Cousins deal. Collision is a downgrade in terms of ability and contract (short term vs long term), McLemore is a buy low candidate, and I don't love any of your picks this year. You also don't have any future picks. Stein is really your only quality asset besides Boogie.

I get it. That's fine dragic doesn't excite me enough for a deal then. Its okay. Ill have an easier time finding someone to fill minutes for dragic than I will for dilling minutes allotted for Stein.

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Ok.

My best offer for Cousins is Dragic, 1 of Winslow or Richardson, and a future 1st rd pick.
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Day 1 

Post#189 » by bdpecore » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:28 pm

Bucks offer E'Twaun Moore a 3yr/$20MM with the 4th year being a PO.
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Day 1 

Post#190 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:29 pm

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bondom34 wrote:Also wanted to add Kanter is available for cap space if anyone wants, and Singler is available too.


I will counter on your original offer for a Kanter/Chandler straight up trade.

Bucks offer up Henson for Chandler and Tucker/Goodwin.


No thanks.
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Day 1 

Post#191 » by bdpecore » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:30 pm

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I will counter on your original offer for a Kanter/Chandler straight up trade.

Bucks offer up Henson for Chandler and Tucker/Goodwin.


No thanks.

What about Monroe instead?
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Day 1 

Post#192 » by sportscrazy » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:31 pm

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How about if I throw Archie Goodwin in?

No thanks, OKC needs someone who can back up Durant and play some small ball 4.


OK, I'll accept the original offer of Tucker and Chandler for Kanter, since the other owner I had a pending offer with is MIA.


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Re: Mock Off-Season: Day 1 

Post#193 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:32 pm

bdpecore wrote:
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bdpecore wrote:Bucks offer up Henson for Chandler and Tucker/Goodwin.


No thanks.

What about Monroe instead?


Can't, I've accepted another offer.
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Day 1 

Post#194 » by bondom34 » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:33 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
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How about if I throw Archie Goodwin in?

No thanks, OKC needs someone who can back up Durant and play some small ball 4.


OK, I'll accept the original offer of Tucker and Chandler for Kanter, since the other owner I had a pending offer with is MIA.

Done deal. :D
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Day 1 

Post#195 » by Gilles » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:34 pm

aramada wrote:
Gilles wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
Wiz, Philly is interested in something centered around Noel for Porter and Gortat if you can find a third team to offer interesting assets for Gortat.
That's an interesting proposition, but it opens a hole at SF, and with heavy competition for Dudley, Wizards might end up with only unproven sophomore at that position, so the interest depends on finding decent forward in FA or trade market. Value is there. Plus Noel will have cap hold of only $10m next summer, which facilitates Wizards being players on next year's FA market.
Wizards have some interest in the deal, but will need to make couple of steps first, including still finding new home for Gortat.


Bulls offer Taj, Dunleavy, McDermott for Gortat and Porter
Clears you space for 2017 and beyond. You get multiple options at SF and an alternative to Morris at PF (+McD can log minutes there).
Center FA market is more favorable than SF at this point. You can even re-sign Nene
Ok-ish offer, but Wizards feel, that neither Dunleavy, nor McD provide enough quality at the starting SF spot. Taj is an excellent option as a backup PF/C though. As with previous Sixers' offer Wizards will have to think, what to do with SF spot.
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Day 1 

Post#196 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:36 pm

bondom34 wrote:
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bondom34 wrote:No thanks, OKC needs someone who can back up Durant and play some small ball 4.


OK, I'll accept the original offer of Tucker and Chandler for Kanter, since the other owner I had a pending offer with is MIA.

Done deal. :D



I feel like I need a commission on this deal since I proposed that exact trade a few days ago....
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Day 1 

Post#197 » by R-DAWG » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:37 pm

Miami is putting Goran Dragic on the trading block in an attempt to add multiple young, cheap, players and clear some cap space.
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Day 1 

Post#198 » by Soulyss » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:39 pm

Portland Pitch #2

The following morning, after a breakfast of stump-town coffee and pine-state biscuits the 4-headed monster of Neil Olshey, Terry Stotts, Dame, and CJ huddle around the conference room phone in the Tualatin practice facility to make their second recruiting pitch.

Neil (oh wait... THATS ME!) pulls out the smart phone, finds the number and then dials Kent Bazemore's agent for a discussion on what he's thinking.

Neil starts the pitch this time, talking about what a fan of his game the team is. We were very impressed by his all around game, his defensive presence on the wing, and his ability to make things happen out on the court. We're building a strong basketball culture out here, and we're very interested in seeing you would be interested in a move out west to a team on the rise, playing with guys in your same prime window? Dame & CJ interject into the conversation bits about living in Portland, how laid back and relaxed it is, how the fans let you do your think without intruding, and what they do while living there in the off-season.

Terry takes over from here, and describes how we would like to use Kent to be, not just a guy who sits in the corner and knocks down threes, but a guy who can facilitate the offense from side pick & roll, similar to the way we used to use Nic Batum to add that wrinkle to the offense that freed up Dame & CJ to work away from the ball to get easier looks in the offense. We see you as that next generation versatile wing who can be a defender, shooter, and distributor as needed.

Neil picks back up the dialog at this point: We're still working through out cap numbers right now, but we're thinking about a offer in the 13/yr range for 2 years, with a 3rd year being a player option, and a 4th year being a team option. We think this is the best of both worlds for you and us.

For example: Let's say you simply don't like being on the west coast... (Portland is beautiful in the offseason btw.) you can drop your player option, and re-enter free agency at 28, in the prime of your career and sign another long term deal. if you are injured, you can use that player option to make sure your 3 year contract pays you the 39 million available in those three years.

Let us know what you are thinking, and we'll touch base tomorrow.
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Day 1 

Post#199 » by James Gatz » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:41 pm

The Charlotte Hornets have a number of moves they would like to make.


1) We would like to offer Nicolas Batum a 5 year contract starting at 22 million with 7.5% raises and a player option in the final year. $127,784,602.30 While this is a few million shy of a max contract it is more guaranteed money than you can get anywhere else. You have said on multiple occasions that you would like to stay a Hornet and have "unfinished business," here in Charlotte.

You have also stated "First time [you] got to play like [you] want to in eight years in the NBA." We will continue to play through you and have you and Kemba Walker be our 1a and 1b scoring options.

We'd like to keep this core together that won 48 games last year and continue to build. You are crucial part of this core and we look to you to be a major foundation piece of this franchisee. Once we get MKG back from injury we are confident in our ability to be one of the top seeds in the East over the next half decade.

If possible, we'd like you to wait to sign the deal as a way for us to keep open cap space as a way to farther improve the team.

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2) Our 2nd priority this offseason is to resign Marvin Williams to the maximum allowed early bird contract of 4 years for $49 million with the last year being partially guaranteed ($3 million).

Marvin, you were a perfect fit for this Hornets team and last year was easily the best of your career. You, like Nic, have stated you love being apart of this team and would return even at a discount. All the Hornets even flew back in to attend your birthday party a little over a week ago.

We appreciate all the hard work you've put into your game adding the ability to pump and drive to the rim and your increasing marksmen like 3 point shooting. We want to give you a contract you deserve and that is we are offering you the maximum allowed possible on the longest term deal possible. We realize as you get older having consistency is of paramount importance so instead of taking a short term contract where a team can discard you, we want you here for the long term.

If possible, we'd like you to wait to sign the deal as a way for us to keep open cap space as a way to farther improve the team.

3) We'd like to offer E'twaun Moore our room exception for two years with a player option in the 2nd year.

E'Twaun we think you're a great young player and think it's time you deserve consistent backup PG minutes on a playoff team. We'd like you to get the same boost that Jeremy Lin would get after taking the same contract last offseason.

In your first year as a Hornet you'd be able to make just short of what you'd made in your previous 4 years in the NBA. We value you immensely and that's why are making you an offer on the first day of free agency.

4) We'd like to waive the cap holds of Al Jefferson, Tyler Hansborugh, Jorge Gutierrez

5) We'd like to extend a QO to Troy Daniels at $1,215,696.




BOOGIE-MONSTER wrote:Kings would like to offer Koufos to the Hornets for a Courtney Lee sign and trade offer Lee 125% of Koufos deal to match salaries and give him the Max raises over four years. Would like to complete this trade at the end of free agency period.

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The Hornets would be open to discuss this if Lee was interested and the Kings would be willing to give up a 2019 2nd round pick.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mock Off-Season: Day 1 

Post#200 » by The Beam King » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:42 pm

R-DAWG wrote:
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Without Stein you have nothing that interests me enough to move Dragic unless he's part of a larger Boogie Cousins deal. Collision is a downgrade in terms of ability and contract (short term vs long term), McLemore is a buy low candidate, and I don't love any of your picks this year. You also don't have any future picks. Stein is really your only quality asset besides Boogie.

I get it. That's fine dragic doesn't excite me enough for a deal then. Its okay. Ill have an easier time finding someone to fill minutes for dragic than I will for dilling minutes allotted for Stein.

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Ok.

My best offer for Cousins is Dragic, 1 of Winslow or Richardson, and a future 1st rd pick.

Valid attempt but it just doesn't move the needle for me. I expect a haul better than what Kevin Love got. im perfectly content sinking or sailing on theb cousins ship for two more years

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