2016 Free Agency Thread

[DusterBuster]

Came here to post this lol. This would be the perfect fit and if his choices are between us the Nets and Philly I like are chances unless those guys overpay a lot. Wonder what it takes for Portland not to match?

Against my personal wishes, I think Portland is prepared to match a pretty high number on Crabbe. He's an OK player, but really not worth the kind of numbers that have been thrown around with his name. If he were an unrestricted FA, I think Crabbe's number is probably around the MLE. Maybe a touch higher, but not by much. Having him be restricted over inflates his FA price-tag.

If it were my choice, I wouldn't go over 10mil per year for him. What he brings is far from irreplaceable for Portland, once you start getting into the 11-12 mil range, there are plenty of guys who could bring a halfway decent 3pt shot with overrated defense to the table for that price. However, I know Olshey and co like consistency, so I suspect they're ready to match anything upwards of 13mil per for him. I'd be much happier seeing Portland take that 13mil tho, maybe throwing a couple extra mil on top of it and going after a guy like Kent Bazemore, who I think is a fairly substantial upgrade from Crabbe.

I think Vlade would be willing to part with a sign and trade piece like McLemore to make it more palatable for the Blazers.

This could be a tough FA year for Portland. It's dangerous when you are a team needing to add a significant piece or two and at the same time you need to re-sign large chunks of your own team while almost every team has max salary slots available. Keeping them all might mean losing out on adding another star player. I think Portland could be a desirable location and they should be able to add a name big man to that puzzle. It will probably come at the cost of someone like Crabbe though.

Also, Crabbe will most likely be looking at the starting spot with a team like Sacramento or Philly so going back to the bench in Portland might not be what he's looking for. I guess we will see. But just for reminder, Vlade went almost full max on Wes Matthews coming off a major injury.

Here's another Blazer fan echoing my same sentiments about Crabbe:

I wouldn't go north of 10 million/year for Crabbe

he just doesn't do enough to warrant a big, long term deal. He was 13th on the Blazers in rebound rate and 12th in assist rate. But maybe the most critical thing is he sucks on defense. Making him the long-term 1st guard off the bench, which a big contract would likely force, would mean the Blazers had Lillard/CJ/Crabbe as their primary guard rotation and that rotation would almost certainly be the worst perimeter defensive trio in the league. I simply can't forget that in the Golden State series, the Blazers tried to guard Klay Thompson with CJ and Crabbe in game 1. The result was Klay had 37 points and 5 assists. After game 1, the Blazers went to Harkless to defend Klay and tried to hide CJ & Crabbe defensively on other, less dynamic scorers. Besides all that Crabbe has to commit some of the dumbest fouls this side of Greg Oden

personally, with a very probable long term starting back court of Dame/CJ, I think the Blazers need a 3rd guard who is a strong defender and decent playmaker...Crabbe has neither skill and he's already 24 having played 6 years of college and NBA ball

I don't really know if it's going to be a "tough" FA period for Portland. Last year was a tough FA period lol.

Again, all the guys they're at risk of losing are replaceable. This you're talking about some backups who started small stints and showed some nice play but nothing that just blew your socks off where you need to trip over yourself to keep them. For Portland, at 15mil per year, they should be able to get a pretty massive upgrade over Crabbe for their 1st guard off the bench. Even in the new salary cap, 15mil is pretty massive for someone as limited and who has as low of an upside as Crabbe.

You got Harkless who imo played a bigger role in Portland's stretches of high level play, but he also had a high tendency to play great for a quarter and then disappear for the rest of the game. Generally, his 1 good quarter came in the first which helped Portland get off to get starts, but I think Portland can find a starting SF (Aminu is best at PF) who can give something equal but with more consistency. Of Portland's 3 RFA's, I hope they keep him the most.

Then you've got Leonard who no one is talking about, so he'll probably come back fairly cheap. If anyone offers more than 10mil for him, I'll happily let him walk. He was given a ton of opportunity this year, lost his starting role and eventually his role in the rotation all together. Then he came back for a few games, got hurt and Portland basically didn't skip a beat without him.

All in all, I'm not worried about Portland's free agency this year at all. Basically because I don't really care what happens to any of those 3 guys. I'd like to see them stay, but it shouldnt be hard to find able replacements for any of them should a team like your Kings wildly overpay for one.

[LightTheBeam]

At 14 mil, that S&T fine with me. Would feel bad for you guys though. That's a terrible waste of money.

I would jump all over that especially if we could s&t Ben Mac and Koufos. Id love it if it was even just Koufos. Basically either we would be spending an additional 2 million or without Ben 6 million to bring in Crabbe who fills a much bigger need than either of those guys.

I am not saying hes great, but he is definitely one of those players that improved when given the opportunity and shot nearly 40% from 3 downtown. He also brings legit size on the wing. I'd love to take the chance that this kid will improve.

Terry Stotts offense inflates guys 3pt percentages quite honestly. Those guys shoot so high because his motion offense gets them tons and tons of open looks and he's constantly encouraging guys to shoot. If you have a coach who runs a different style and is less encouraging to guys to shoot, his percentages will have a noticeable drop. On top of that, Crabbe is a wildly limited player. He's a half-way decent 3pt shooter, but he brings almost nothing to the table. His defense isn't anything to write home about, he can't create off the dribble and he's not a great passer. He's basically a catch and shoot jumpshooter.... and that's it.

I think teams infatuation with Crabbe will be amazingly short-lived.

Portland would absolutely want both KK and Ben back btw.

I think you are missing the point though. In todays day and age not many/if any shooting guards play the way you are saying. You can either chase players like JR Smith, Waiters, Jamal Crawford, Fournier, Clarkson that can score and create for themselves but not do much else, or you go for the guys like Bazemore, Crabbe, Lee, Afflalo, Gordon who provide spot up shooting and athleticism but not much else, some of these guys are better than others on the defensive end but then it comes down to weighing would I rather have Lee who today is a better player than Crabbe for 14 million but is 31 years old or do I take the chance on Crabbe who just turned 24.

I don't think any Kings fans think that Crabbe is going to be the perfect option, I myself prefer Bazemore because his defense is superior but he is also 3 years older and seems like more teams are going to be looking at him than Crabbe and we have to realize what is attainable. At the end of the day I would certainly be happier going into next year with Courtney Lee or Crabbe than Waiters. Nobody in the thread said Crabbe is going to propel us to be a 55 win team we just think that he fits better with our roster than most of the other options out there. With Collison/Gay/Cousins in the starting lineup having a player who can sit on the 3pt line and drill them at a 40% clip will certainly improve our overall offense.

[DusterBuster]

With Collison/Gay/Cousins in the starting lineup having a player who can sit on the 3pt line and drill them at a 40% clip will certainly improve our overall offense.

The problem is you think that 40% shooting percentage is just going to magically transfer from his role in Portland to the Kings. I'm saying that's not likely. Portland plays a motion offense and always has at least 3-4 high-quality 3pt shooters which makes defenses scramble and he's constantly playing against 2nd unit guys. Now you want to put Crabbe in a starter situation with a new offensive style and he's going to be the Kings only reliable 3pt shooter. Teams will constantly have their best perimeter defender on him being that he's moving to the starting spot and he's not gonna get any open looks because the Kings will have no other shooters to spread the floor for him. He's shown zero ability to take a guy off the dribble and create space for himself.

I never said you guys expect him to turn the Kings into a powerhouse. I'm saying you're going to be wildly disappointed in what you're spending 15 (upwards of 17mil according to the Sixers board btw) million for. He's a streaky shooter in the best of circumstances like he has in Portland. Put him in a tougher situation with no other shooters.... if you're hope is he's just gonna camp outside the 3pt line and drill 40% of his threes for you like he does in Portland, you're gonna be disappointed.

[c3j3h]

I'm just crossing my fingers we hear that the Kings are interested in Solomon Hill. If they somehow landed both Hill and Lee, they will have just put together the best defensive wing combo in the league. Then sign and trade for Anderson using Gay.

Better than Kawhi Leonard/Danny Green? C'mon now. I would be really happy with getting Hill and a good 3/D SG, but let's temper those expectations just a bit.

[Sheva7]

With Collison/Gay/Cousins in the starting lineup having a player who can sit on the 3pt line and drill them at a 40% clip will certainly improve our overall offense.

The problem is you think that 40% shooting percentage is just going to magically transfer from his role in Portland to the Kings. I'm saying that's not likely. Portland plays a motion offense and always has at least 3-4 high-quality 3pt shooters which makes defenses scramble and he's constantly playing against 2nd unit guys. Now you want to put Crabbe in a starter situation with a new offensive style and he's going to be the Kings only reliable 3pt shooter. Teams will constantly have their best perimeter defender on him being that he's moving to the starting spot and he's not gonna get any open looks because the Kings will have no other shooters to spread the floor for him. He's shown zero ability to take a guy off the dribble and create space for himself.

I never said you guys expect him to turn the Kings into a powerhouse. I'm saying you're going to be wildly disappointed in what you're spending 15 (upwards of 17mil according to the Sixers board btw) million for. He's a streaky shooter in the best of circumstances like he has in Portland. Put him in a tougher situation with no other shooters.... if you're hope is he's just gonna camp outside the 3pt line and drill 40% of his threes for you like he does in Portland, you're gonna be disappointed.

Saying that he would be the Kings only reliable 3pt shooter is extremely inaccurate. The Kings were 10th in the nba in team 3pt% last year and had 3 players that shot better than Crabbe. That will only improve under Joerger's system and with us likely looking to add even more shooting in free agency. A lot of it depends on who our starting PG is, but with Cousins in the post demanding a double team everytime he catches the ball that creates open shots on its own. If we were to get Crabbe, the idea that every team would put their best perimeter defender on him makes me laugh. Rudy gay can score on his own over average defenders and if Collison is the starter he can create open shots with his quickness getting into the paint. A player like Crabbe to space the floor is exactly what we need because it makes it harder for teams to double cousins in the post. That being said i do think Crabbe is overrated and would not pay anywhere near $15m for him.

[c3j3h]

With Collison/Gay/Cousins in the starting lineup having a player who can sit on the 3pt line and drill them at a 40% clip will certainly improve our overall offense.

The problem is you think that 40% shooting percentage is just going to magically transfer from his role in Portland to the Kings. I'm saying that's not likely. Portland plays a motion offense and always has at least 3-4 high-quality 3pt shooters which makes defenses scramble and he's constantly playing against 2nd unit guys. Now you want to put Crabbe in a starter situation with a new offensive style and he's going to be the Kings only reliable 3pt shooter. Teams will constantly have their best perimeter defender on him being that he's moving to the starting spot and he's not gonna get any open looks because the Kings will have no other shooters to spread the floor for him. He's shown zero ability to take a guy off the dribble and create space for himself.

I never said you guys expect him to turn the Kings into a powerhouse. I'm saying you're going to be wildly disappointed in what you're spending 15 (upwards of 17mil according to the Sixers board btw) million for. He's a streaky shooter in the best of circumstances like he has in Portland. Put him in a tougher situation with no other shooters.... if you're hope is he's just gonna camp outside the 3pt line and drill 40% of his threes for you like he does in Portland, you're gonna be disappointed.

Saying that he would be the Kings only reliable 3pt shooter is extremely inaccurate. The Kings were 10th in the nba in team 3pt% last year and had 3 players that shot better than Crabbe. That will only improve under Joerger's system and with us likely looking to add even more shooting in free agency. A lot of it depends on who our starting PG is, but with Cousins in the post demanding a double team everytime he catches the ball that creates open shots on its own. If we were to get Crabbe, the idea that every team would put their best perimeter defender on him makes me laugh. Rudy gay can score on his own over average defenders and if Collison is the starter he can create open shots with his quickness getting into the paint. A player like Crabbe to space the floor is exactly what we need because it makes it harder for teams to double cousins in the post. That being said i do think Crabbe is overrated and would not pay anywhere near $15m for him.

I see where he's going with regards to 3p shooting. Right now our likely starting 5 going into next season (assuming they sign Crabbe for the sake of argument) would be Cousins/WCS/Rudy Gay/Crabbe/Collison. Collision was a 40% 3p shooter this year, but he is more than likely going to be suspended for a good chunk of the season, as we all know. So let's just disregard the PG for now as he's the only PG on the roster at the moment.

WCS attempted 2 3p last year, so it's safe to say that he is not a 3p threat.

Boogie shot 33.3% from 3p on 3.2 attempts per game. He is a threat to knock down wide open 3s from his sweet spots, but not exactly a perimeter player. He's a Center who does most of his damage in the paint. He's mostly a 3p threat as a trailer or end of the shot clock guy.

Rudy Gay shot 34.4% from 3p last year on 3 attempts per game. Amazingly that is also his career average as well (34.4% on 3.1 apg career). He shot 36% in 2014-15, but historically he has never been a great 3p shooter. He's always a threat to knock down wide open shots, but he's not your typical long ball kind of guy.

Other than those guys, the only other plus 3p shooters we have are Casspi (40.9% on 4.0 apg), McLemore (36.2% on 2.7 apg) and Quincy Acy (38.8% on .8 apg). All 3 of those guys would be coming off the bench in this scenario, and Acy is still a Free Agent.

So barring the Kings picking up another deep threat from 3p range at PG and opening the floor up a bit, Crabbe will be the only legitimate 3p shooter on the floor most of the time. If the Kings decide to give Rondo another shot, then Crabbe is going to run into the same kind of problems that Belinelli had this year, being the only legitimate shooter on the floor that isn't great at creating his own shot.

[DusterBuster]

So barring the Kings picking up another deep threat from 3p range at PG and opening the floor up a bit, Crabbe will be the only legitimate 3p shooter on the floor most of the time. If the Kings decide to give Rondo another shot, then Crabbe is going to run into the same kind of problems that Belinelli had this year, being the only legitimate shooter on the floor that isn't great at creating his own shot.

Belinelli is actually a great comparison. Another guy who came from two teams in the Spurs and Warriors that play the same style offense as Portland where they always have 2 to 3 pretty strong sharpshooters from deep and spread the floor really strongly. Belinelli looked great, but really only had one appreciable skill as a sharpshooter amongst other sharpshooters. Defenses generally have him as a lesser priority because of other sharpshooters on the floor, so it leads to more open looks. That's great, in the right situation.

[Kings2013]

I'm wondering if Koufos will be involved in some S/T iteration for Lee

[Sheva7]

I see where he's going with regards to 3p shooting. Right now our likely starting 5 going into next season (assuming they sign Crabbe for the sake of argument) would be Cousins/WCS/Rudy Gay/Crabbe/Collison. Collision was a 40% 3p shooter this year, but he is more than likely going to be suspended for a good chunk of the season, as we all know. So let's just disregard the PG for now as he's the only PG on the roster at the moment.

WCS attempted 2 3p last year, so it's safe to say that he is not a 3p threat.

Boogie shot 33.3% from 3p on 3.2 attempts per game. He is a threat to knock down wide open 3s from his sweet spots, but not exactly a perimeter player. He's a Center who does most of his damage in the paint. He's mostly a 3p threat as a trailer or end of the shot clock guy.

Rudy Gay shot 34.4% from 3p last year on 3 attempts per game. Amazingly that is also his career average as well (34.4% on 3.1 apg career). He shot 36% in 2014-15, but historically he has never been a great 3p shooter. He's always a threat to knock down wide open shots, but he's not your typical long ball kind of guy.

Other than those guys, the only other plus 3p shooters we have are Casspi (40.9% on 4.0 apg), McLemore (36.2% on 2.7 apg) and Quincy Acy (38.8% on .8 apg). All 3 of those guys would be coming off the bench in this scenario, and Acy is still a Free Agent.

So barring the Kings picking up another deep threat from 3p range at PG and opening the floor up a bit, Crabbe will be the only legitimate 3p shooter on the floor most of the time. If the Kings decide to give Rondo another shot, then Crabbe is going to run into the same kind of problems that Belinelli had this year, being the only legitimate shooter on the floor that isn't great at creating his own shot.

Disregarding the PG makes the whole argument kinda pointless as collison is a very good 3pt shooter and if we acquire someone else to start they most likely will be a good 3pt shooter. Also you didn't even mention Curry who will likely be back and shot 45% last year. That being said, our offense under Joerger won't rely on 3 pt shooting like portlands offense and our offense at times last year. Cousins won't be at the 3 point line, he will be in the post which will be the focus of our offense. Gay is more than capable of hitting 3's and creating his own shot so he can't be left alone. When Cousins draws double teams that is what will open up our offense. Having a guy like Crabbe along with Gay and a PG that is at least capable of hitting open 3's means that the double team will have to come from Willie's man. But what if that is a guy like Ryan Anderson playing the 4 at times? We are going to see a huge difference in spacing just from Joerger's offense alone. Crabbe would not have to create his own shot like Belinelli did because he was the main offense on the court with our second unit. With Cousins back in the post, he just needs to move around and he will get open shots.

[Sheva7]

I'm wondering if Koufos will be involved in some S/T iteration for Lee

Why would we do that? Why not just sign Lee on our own? If we need to clear cap we can get draft picks for Koufos.

[c3j3h]

I see where he's going with regards to 3p shooting. Right now our likely starting 5 going into next season (assuming they sign Crabbe for the sake of argument) would be Cousins/WCS/Rudy Gay/Crabbe/Collison. Collision was a 40% 3p shooter this year, but he is more than likely going to be suspended for a good chunk of the season, as we all know. So let's just disregard the PG for now as he's the only PG on the roster at the moment.

WCS attempted 2 3p last year, so it's safe to say that he is not a 3p threat.

Boogie shot 33.3% from 3p on 3.2 attempts per game. He is a threat to knock down wide open 3s from his sweet spots, but not exactly a perimeter player. He's a Center who does most of his damage in the paint. He's mostly a 3p threat as a trailer or end of the shot clock guy.

Rudy Gay shot 34.4% from 3p last year on 3 attempts per game. Amazingly that is also his career average as well (34.4% on 3.1 apg career). He shot 36% in 2014-15, but historically he has never been a great 3p shooter. He's always a threat to knock down wide open shots, but he's not your typical long ball kind of guy.

Other than those guys, the only other plus 3p shooters we have are Casspi (40.9% on 4.0 apg), McLemore (36.2% on 2.7 apg) and Quincy Acy (38.8% on .8 apg). All 3 of those guys would be coming off the bench in this scenario, and Acy is still a Free Agent.

So barring the Kings picking up another deep threat from 3p range at PG and opening the floor up a bit, Crabbe will be the only legitimate 3p shooter on the floor most of the time. If the Kings decide to give Rondo another shot, then Crabbe is going to run into the same kind of problems that Belinelli had this year, being the only legitimate shooter on the floor that isn't great at creating his own shot.

Disregarding the PG makes the whole argument kinda pointless as collison is a very good 3pt shooter and if we acquire someone else to start they most likely will be a good 3pt shooter. Also you didn't even mention Curry who will likely be back and shot 45% last year. That being said, our offense under Joerger won't rely on 3 pt shooting like portlands offense and our offense at times last year. Cousins won't be at the 3 point line, he will be in the post which will be the focus of our offense. Gay is more than capable of hitting 3's and creating his own shot so he can't be left alone. When Cousins draws double teams that is what will open up our offense. Having a guy like Crabbe along with Gay and a PG that is at least capable of hitting open 3's means that the double team will have to come from Willie's man. But what if that is a guy like Ryan Anderson playing the 4 at times? We are going to see a huge difference in spacing just from Joerger's offense alone. Crabbe would not have to create his own shot like Belinelli did because he was the main offense on the court with our second unit. With Cousins back in the post, he just needs to move around and he will get open shots.

Not sure how you can say it's pointless, as your argument is pretty heavy on speculation. You're assuming that we bring Curry back first of all, which I'm sure they will at least try to do and will have a good shot at doing, but it's not guaranteed. Second of all, we're ignoring the fact that Collison is very likely facing a long suspension from the NBA. The precedent that was set the last time an NBA player was charged with domestic violence was 24 games, and that was 3 years ago, so we can assume there's a good chance he will miss at least that much time. Last but not least, I think it's a bit optimistic to assume any PG we will sign this summer will be a good 3p shooter considering that we signed Rondo last year, and that Vlade has already come out and said that he is interested in bringing Rondo back again.

I did however forget to mention Curry. He was great in limited minutes last year, shooting 45% from 3p and crushing it when he got big minutes at the end of the season. Even though most teams didn't have anything to play for and he played a lot of minutes vs 2nd and 3rd string players, he obviously showed that he has plenty of value in the NBA, and I would be happy if they re-sign him as long as it is a fair deal for both sides.

[c3j3h]

I really hate that my laptop so desperately wants to change Collison into collision every time.

[LightTheBeam]

With Collison/Gay/Cousins in the starting lineup having a player who can sit on the 3pt line and drill them at a 40% clip will certainly improve our overall offense.

The problem is you think that 40% shooting percentage is just going to magically transfer from his role in Portland to the Kings. I'm saying that's not likely. Portland plays a motion offense and always has at least 3-4 high-quality 3pt shooters which makes defenses scramble and he's constantly playing against 2nd unit guys. Now you want to put Crabbe in a starter situation with a new offensive style and he's going to be the Kings only reliable 3pt shooter. Teams will constantly have their best perimeter defender on him being that he's moving to the starting spot and he's not gonna get any open looks because the Kings will have no other shooters to spread the floor for him. He's shown zero ability to take a guy off the dribble and create space for himself.

I never said you guys expect him to turn the Kings into a powerhouse. I'm saying you're going to be wildly disappointed in what you're spending 15 (upwards of 17mil according to the Sixers board btw) million for. He's a streaky shooter in the best of circumstances like he has in Portland. Put him in a tougher situation with no other shooters.... if you're hope is he's just gonna camp outside the 3pt line and drill 40% of his threes for you like he does in Portland, you're gonna be disappointed.

Saying that he would be the Kings only reliable 3pt shooter is extremely inaccurate. The Kings were 10th in the nba in team 3pt% last year and had 3 players that shot better than Crabbe. That will only improve under Joerger's system and with us likely looking to add even more shooting in free agency. A lot of it depends on who our starting PG is, but with Cousins in the post demanding a double team everytime he catches the ball that creates open shots on its own. If we were to get Crabbe, the idea that every team would put their best perimeter defender on him makes me laugh. Rudy gay can score on his own over average defenders and if Collison is the starter he can create open shots with his quickness getting into the paint. A player like Crabbe to space the floor is exactly what we need because it makes it harder for teams to double cousins in the post. That being said i do think Crabbe is overrated and would not pay anywhere near $15m for him.

Thanks you, pretty much spot on to my reply. To add to that, I loved the Blazers and rooted hard for you guys in the playoffs but let's not pretend that team was the warriors. You guys had 2 primary scorers in Lillard and CJ. Drawing double teams lead to open 3s, nobody draws double teams like Cousins (save Curry and Lebron) so I'm pretty confident in the fit. Pretending like Gay is not a scorer or Collison/Casspi/Curry aren't knock down shooters is just disingenuous. Not to mention we just added Richardson whose strength was shooting and we are looking to possibly add another pg and possibly a stretch 4 depending how free agency shakes out. Our team is far from a finished product regardless if we add Crabbe or not.

[Sheva7]

Not sure how you can say it's pointless, as your argument is pretty heavy on speculation. You're assuming that we bring Curry back first of all, which I'm sure they will at least try to do and will have a good shot at doing, but it's not guaranteed. Second of all, we're ignoring the fact that Collison is very likely facing a long suspension from the NBA. The precedent that was set the last time an NBA player was charged with domestic violence was 24 games, and that was 3 years ago, so we can assume there's a good chance he will miss at least that much time. Last but not least, I think it's a bit optimistic to assume any PG we will sign this summer will be a good 3p shooter considering that we signed Rondo last year, and that Vlade has already come out and said that he is interested in bringing Rondo back again.

I did however forget to mention Curry. He was great in limited minutes last year, shooting 45% from 3p and crushing it when he got big minutes at the end of the season. Even though most teams didn't have anything to play for and he played a lot of minutes vs 2nd and 3rd string players, he obviously showed that he has plenty of value in the NBA, and I would be happy if they re-sign him as long as it is a fair deal for both sides.

Yes i assume we are bringing curry back but none of my actual argument mentioned him. I would argue that Collison's suspension will not be that long. Taylor's case was much worse and he had multiple charges (domestic assault, assault, malicious destruction of property). Previously 7 games was the largest suspension for domestic violence. That being said, obviously neither of us were there so we can only speculate but from the information we have i would be surprised if its as long as Taylor.

My main point is that we do have players that are capable from 3 and can't be left open all the time. Having Cousins in the post will create a lot of open shots for other players.

[Sheva7]

I really hate that my laptop so desperately wants to change Collison into collision every time.

That annoys me so much when i try to type collison on my phone lol

[LightTheBeam]

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The problem is you think that 40% shooting percentage is just going to magically transfer from his role in Portland to the Kings. I'm saying that's not likely. Portland plays a motion offense and always has at least 3-4 high-quality 3pt shooters which makes defenses scramble and he's constantly playing against 2nd unit guys. Now you want to put Crabbe in a starter situation with a new offensive style and he's going to be the Kings only reliable 3pt shooter. Teams will constantly have their best perimeter defender on him being that he's moving to the starting spot and he's not gonna get any open looks because the Kings will have no other shooters to spread the floor for him. He's shown zero ability to take a guy off the dribble and create space for himself.

I never said you guys expect him to turn the Kings into a powerhouse. I'm saying you're going to be wildly disappointed in what you're spending 15 (upwards of 17mil according to the Sixers board btw) million for. He's a streaky shooter in the best of circumstances like he has in Portland. Put him in a tougher situation with no other shooters.... if you're hope is he's just gonna camp outside the 3pt line and drill 40% of his threes for you like he does in Portland, you're gonna be disappointed.

Saying that he would be the Kings only reliable 3pt shooter is extremely inaccurate. The Kings were 10th in the nba in team 3pt% last year and had 3 players that shot better than Crabbe. That will only improve under Joerger's system and with us likely looking to add even more shooting in free agency. A lot of it depends on who our starting PG is, but with Cousins in the post demanding a double team everytime he catches the ball that creates open shots on its own. If we were to get Crabbe, the idea that every team would put their best perimeter defender on him makes me laugh. Rudy gay can score on his own over average defenders and if Collison is the starter he can create open shots with his quickness getting into the paint. A player like Crabbe to space the floor is exactly what we need because it makes it harder for teams to double cousins in the post. That being said i do think Crabbe is overrated and would not pay anywhere near $15m for him.

I see where he's going with regards to 3p shooting. Right now our likely starting 5 going into next season (assuming they sign Crabbe for the sake of argument) would be Cousins/WCS/Rudy Gay/Crabbe/Collison. Collision was a 40% 3p shooter this year, but he is more than likely going to be suspended for a good chunk of the season, as we all know. So let's just disregard the PG for now as he's the only PG on the roster at the moment.

WCS attempted 2 3p last year, so it's safe to say that he is not a 3p threat.

Boogie shot 33.3% from 3p on 3.2 attempts per game. He is a threat to knock down wide open 3s from his sweet spots, but not exactly a perimeter player. He's a Center who does most of his damage in the paint. He's mostly a 3p threat as a trailer or end of the shot clock guy.

Rudy Gay shot 34.4% from 3p last year on 3 attempts per game. Amazingly that is also his career average as well (34.4% on 3.1 apg career). He shot 36% in 2014-15, but historically he has never been a great 3p shooter. He's always a threat to knock down wide open shots, but he's not your typical long ball kind of guy.

Other than those guys, the only other plus 3p shooters we have are Casspi (40.9% on 4.0 apg), McLemore (36.2% on 2.7 apg) and Quincy Acy (38.8% on .8 apg). All 3 of those guys would be coming off the bench in this scenario, and Acy is still a Free Agent.

So barring the Kings picking up another deep threat from 3p range at PG and opening the floor up a bit, Crabbe will be the only legitimate 3p shooter on the floor most of the time. If the Kings decide to give Rondo another shot, then Crabbe is going to run into the same kind of problems that Belinelli had this year, being the only legitimate shooter on the floor that isn't great at creating his own shot.

Going further into this basically what you are saying is that the fit between Gay/WCS/Cousins isn't great. Now I know your in favor of trading Cousins we've been down that road but assuming he's here to stay and WCS isn't going anywhere the logical move is to trade Gay. The problem with that is creating another hole in the roster before fixing the problems we already have. I'm in favor of trading Gay but we need to have a realistic fit/target in mind. I've long recommended a Gay for Ariza swap which brings another shooter into our starting lineup.

Having Collison/Crabbe/Ariza/WCS/Cousins is a better fit. My next move would be to dump koufos for cap space and then target marvin williams. We can come off the bench with Curry/Richardson/Casspi/Marvin williams/Papagiannis which is a damn versatile group with 4 shooters on the bench and 3 in the starting lineup. Problem is collison's charge which leaves us in a huge bind.

[Sheva7]

Going further into this basically what you are saying is that the fit between Gay/WCS/Cousins isn't great. Now I know your in favor of trading Cousins we've been down that road but assuming he's here to stay and WCS isn't going anywhere the logical move is to trade Gay. The problem with that is creating another hole in the roster before fixing the problems we already have. I'm in favor of trading Gay but we need to have a realistic fit/target in mind. I've long recommended a Gay for Ariza swap which brings another shooter into our starting lineup.

Having Collison/Crabbe/Ariza/WCS/Cousins is a better fit. My next move would be to dump koufos for cap space and then target marvin williams. We can come off the bench with Curry/Richardson/Casspi/Marvin williams/Papagiannis which is a damn versatile group with 4 shooters on the bench and 3 in the starting lineup. Problem is collison's charge which leaves us in a huge bind.

If Gay is on the team this year i think you guys will be surprised/happy with how he plays. Yes he had a kinda bad year but i believe most of that was because Karl often played him out of position and just the overall frustration the whole team had throughout the season. I believe Joerger when he says he knows how to get the best out of Gay. I also think a healthy relationship between the FO/Coaches/Players will help him to play a lot better.

[Gilles]

I really hate that my laptop so desperately wants to change Collison into collision every time.

That annoys me so much when i try to type collison on my phone lol

Ha-Ha! It took me a bit of time to figure out, that it's not likely, that so many realgm posters don't know Darren's last name.

[c3j3h]

I'm all in favor of trading Rudy. I think we should've done it last year actually, but I'm all in favor of doing it now.

If we can swap any combination of Rudy Gay/Ben McLemore/Kosta Koufos/Darren Collison/Malachi Richardson/Isaiah Cousins and acquire a good 3/D starter at either PG, SG, or SF, that would be a huge get for us. I'm not saying we should trade any of them specifically, but I am saying I would be fine with trading any combination of those guys as long as we get good return. We currently have 2 big holes on the roster that require a starter immediately, and most people agree that Rudy is replaceable as he is not a great fit with the rest of the roster.

If they can flip part some of the redundant parts of our roster to require a quality starter via trade, it would make their job a whole lot easier of plugging the other holes via Free Agency. Obviously it's better to sign 1 starter and 1 or 2 backups than it is to sign 2 quality starters plus backups, especially when you have to convince those guys to sign in Sacramento.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

If the rookies just announced number assignments are an indicator, Quincy Acy isn't coming back. Papa G took #13. Acy's #. Isaiah Cousins is #10. Skal is # 3. Also proves Belinelli is gone. Hate to see Acy go because I loved his passion and positivity.