The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft)

8on · Post #961 » by **8on** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:23 am

OGBAH wrote:I'd take Booker over Harden

this is the problem with Suns fans right now. a little too much riding on DB. that's not fair to him

8on · Post #962 » by **8on** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:24 am

bwgood77 wrote:I'm not sure what all the arguing here is about. Anyway, a question for you guys to consider.

Who is the most under the radar small forward 3&D guy in the league?

And I've already looked at Lance Stephenson, and his advanced stats show he's not a particularly good defensive player.

I'm talking someone who is a free agent or possibly someone who may be on the end of a bench who hasn't been able to show his true worth.

Malcolm Brogdon!

is Jae Crowder underrated? DeMarre Carroll? Danny Green? aren't they all underrated?

carey · Post #963 » by **carey** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:27 am

bwgood77 wrote:I'm going to try and put together a package for MKG, and I think Courtney Lee is a good target in free agency if we want to move on from Tucker.

Courtney Lee is a good option but he's 30-years-old. I'm not against acquiring older players but I'd like to stay on the right side of 30 if possible. One grumpy old guy on the team is enough for right now.

ryanball · Post #964 » by **ryanball** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:31 am

dantley4prez wrote:
OGBAH wrote:I'd take Booker over Harden

this is the problem with Suns fans right now. a little too much riding on DB. that's not fair to him

That may be as much a disdain for Harden though.

I can acknowledge Harden is objectively better right now, but I still think he's a complete clown and will never lead a team to a title. I would take Booker over Harden because I think he has a chance to become a far superior overall player. And even if he doesn't become an all-star, I still prefer watching Booker and his style of play.

YouTube · Post #965 » by **Kerrsed** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:33 am

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16623391/in-addition-big-ticket-contracts-nba-teams-the-lookout-next-big-bargain

carey · Post #966 » by **carey** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:36 am

Damn, Lowe dropping two columns on us tonight?

MrMiyagi · Post #967 » by **MrMiyagi** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:41 am

Kerrsed wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:So what's the All-Kerrsed team looking like now? Terrence Williams, Anthony Randolph, Lance Stephenson, Perry Jones III, Shabazz Muhammad.

AR was not one of them!

Its always funny how people choose to remember the failures and not the ones i liked that worked out.

Also funny that TWiLL and Stephenson i only mentioned AFTER their stock was at its lowest, so its not like i was all about it with the pre-hype, just thought we should give them a chance.

Those are just the ones I could remember. I wasn't trying to be a dick. I never thought that they were bad options at the time you were championing them.

Who are the ones that worked out?

saintEscaton · Post #968 » by **saintEscaton** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:42 am

bwgood77 wrote:I'm not sure what all the arguing here is about. Anyway, a question for you guys to consider.

Who is the most under the radar small forward 3&D guy in the league?

And I've already looked at Lance Stephenson, and his advanced stats show he's not a particularly good defensive player.

I'm talking someone who is a free agent or possibly someone who may be on the end of a bench who hasn't been able to show his true worth.

Kris Middleton because he is more than a role player, e has flashed an all around game and blossom into a second or third option. if Kidd feautured him more he would be a borderline All-Star (unlike Knight who never was). Could be the next Wes Matthews but better spot up shooting

YouTube · Post #969 » by **Kerrsed** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:43 am

I still think we should sign James Johnson to a cheap deal. His defense will be greatly needed.

Post #970 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:53 am

carey wrote:Damn, Lowe dropping two columns on us tonight?

Saw one of them about under the radar guys. What was the other one? I guess I could always check twitter.

8on · Post #971 » by **8on** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:53 am

ryanball wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:
OGBAH wrote:I'd take Booker over Harden

this is the problem with Suns fans right now. a little too much riding on DB. that's not fair to him

That may be as much a disdain for Harden though.

I can acknowledge Harden is objectively better right now, but I still think he's a complete clown and will never lead a team to a title. I would take Booker over Harden because I think he has a chance to become a far superior overall player. And even if he doesn't become an all-star, I still prefer watching Booker and his style of play.

That's not fair to Harden.

27/6/7 in 14-15? How many guys accomplish that?

I see Booker's peak as Michael Redd: 24/3/3, maybe a better defender. i guess those are Ray numbers, actually.

can he be that good of a passer? can he be far and away the best contact magnet in the league?

we have no proof of that. let's not get ahead of ourselves, folks. he'll get there when he gets there.....but not right now.

letsgosuns · Post #972 » by **letsgosuns** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:54 am

Marc Berman from the NY Post said that Derrick Williams will be recruited by least the Lakers and Suns.

http://nypost.com/2016/06/29/jeff-hornacek-to-phil-jackson-get-us-some-good-players/

"Last summer’s free agency was hardly a Jackson bonanza and now he has to fiddle with his own free agents. Jackson wants to re-sign Lance Thomas, Kevin Seraphin and Williams. Williams will be recruited by at least the Lakers and Suns, according to a source."

Post #973 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:59 am

saintEscaton wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:I'm not sure what all the arguing here is about. Anyway, a question for you guys to consider.

Who is the most under the radar small forward 3&D guy in the league?

And I've already looked at Lance Stephenson, and his advanced stats show he's not a particularly good defensive player.

I'm talking someone who is a free agent or possibly someone who may be on the end of a bench who hasn't been able to show his true worth.

Kris Middleton because he is more than a role player, e has flashed an all around game and blossom into a second or third option. if Kidd feautured him more he would be a borderline All-Star (unlike Knight who never was). Could be the next Wes Matthews but better spot up shooting

Well perhaps, but he is pretty much untouchable from Milwaukee's fans. I'm kind of in a competition trying to figure out who to go after and already dumped Tucker and Chandler, after not hearing back from the guy controlling the Cavs about a Tucker for Cedi Osman swap, which he would have accepted, though he would have had to send some salary out.

But having dealt Tucker I felt a need to get a 3&D guy, and they are being offered HUGE contracts. I know this is just a mock, but I get the sense it is going to be absolutely crazy and competitive. Guys like Dudley may make serious bank. Bazemore too. Now I'm down to maybe trying to snag a guy like Tony Allen or a few other guys...I'm talking seriously under the radar though. I think hanging onto Tucker for awhile, might be good. Not because I think he helps us win or we need him, but we don't really have any small forwards if Warren goes down or needs a break....plus he's dirt cheap...or will be soon.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #974 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:04 am

Is Derrick Williams going to be playing for multiple teams?

thamadkant · Post #975 » by **thamadkant** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:05 am

ryanball wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:
OGBAH wrote:I'd take Booker over Harden

this is the problem with Suns fans right now. a little too much riding on DB. that's not fair to him

That may be as much a disdain for Harden though.

I can acknowledge Harden is objectively better right now, but I still think he's a complete clown and will never lead a team to a title. I would take Booker over Harden because I think he has a chance to become a far superior overall player. And even if he doesn't become an all-star, I still prefer watching Booker and his style of play.

You think Booker can become a 29ppg 8apg 6rpg 1.5spg SG???

You like Booker because he plays for the Suns and he was a bright spark last season.

Just say that.. Thats all you need to say.

If you think Booker is a future 29ppg 8apg 6rpg SG.... And be a better overall player than Harden... Then I say you are extremely optimistic. Harden has a much deeper array of moves and offensive skill scope than Booker...

carey · Post #976 » by **carey** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:05 am

bwgood77 wrote:
carey wrote:Damn, Lowe dropping two columns on us tonight?

Saw one of them about under the radar guys. What was the other one? I guess I could always check twitter.

The 5 things to watch for one. I think it had the wrong time stamp on it when I saw it or maybe I got it confused with another article. Looks like it was published yesterday: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16621548/when-clock-strikes-midnight-friday-nba-contracts-flying-shelves

The only comments on it are from within the last hour though...

Post #977 » by **Qwigglez** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:06 am

letsgosuns wrote:Marc Berman from the NY Post said that Derrick Williams will be recruited by least the Lakers and Suns.

http://nypost.com/2016/06/29/jeff-hornacek-to-phil-jackson-get-us-some-good-players/

"Last summer’s free agency was hardly a Jackson bonanza and now he has to fiddle with his own free agents. Jackson wants to re-sign Lance Thomas, Kevin Seraphin and Williams. Williams will be recruited by at least the Lakers and Suns, according to a source."

Williams would be a good stop-gap target. I'd say we could offer him a 2-3 year deal maybe 12mil per season. Anything more is really a vast overpay. But he could play PF and some SF too.

YouTube · Post #978 » by **Kerrsed** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:17 am

Word is the Raptors have to get rid of a big contract player if they want to re-sign both DeRozen & Biyombo, which reportedly they do. Their biggest contract has also been their biggest letdown of the season. DeMarre Carroll.

After a brutal left knee injury with Atlanta in the Eastern Conference Finals, it was his feet and right knee that became problems early in his first campaign with the Raptors. He missed three games early on with plantar fasciitis, then nine games in December with a right knee contusion. In both instances, Carroll played through the pain and looked increasingly frustrated with his play. It culminated in a doctor’s visit in early January, when they investigated his knee and performed arthroscopic knee surgery. An initial timeframe of 6-8 weeks was placed on Carroll, but his return wouldn’t come until 13 weeks later, as he played three of the last five regular season games. He would later admit that he returned despite continued swelling, which may have contributed to what happened next.

Things failed to get better in the playoffs. At various points, he battled through a hyperextended elbow, sprained wrist, hip pointer, and a twisted ankle. Though he manufactured some timely shots (albeit missing many others), he was close to hopeless in defending Paul George and LeBron James, as the team had to rely more on Norman Powell and Patrick Patterson.

In the end, the Raptors had him dressed for what they signed him for – postseason basketball. They failed to get the expected production, though, as his numbers dropped off from the previous season in every meaningful category.

I wonder if they would give up on him that easy and if we could get him healthy and keep him healthy. He has 4 years remaining on his contract, which gives us 4 years to develop Bender or Chriss into our future starting SF.

carey · Post #979 » by **carey** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:25 am

Kerrsed wrote: I wonder if they would give up on him that easy and if we could get him healthy and keep him healthy. He has 4 years remaining on his contract, which gives us 4 years to develop Bender or Chriss into our future starting SF.

He makes a lot of money and would just get in the way of playing TJ. He'd be the highest paid player on the team next year with an injury history as bad or worse than Bledsoe's. They are absolutely looking to dump him though.

letsgosuns · Post #980 » by **letsgosuns** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:30 am

I still think there is a logjam at the guard spots with too many players and would like to see Knight traded. If the Suns have Bledsoe and Booker starting with Price (re-signed), Goodwin, and Ulis off the bench, that should be enough. Outside of my personal viewpoint of Knight, there is just not enough minutes to go around. And I do not want to see a Bledsoe, Knight, and Booker lineup. That would be terrible defensively. Possibly the worst in the league. Now I would not trade Knight for nothing, but if the Suns can trade him for some good assets or a player that improves the team and helps balance out the roster, then I am all for it.

Which free agent(s) would you most like to go for? One or top two choices